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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 8:35 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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One day she will realize that she will never be happy with this man.......but too bad it is taking her this long. 
 I feel like Kelly isn't really expressing what she truly is feeling deep down. Like she may be holding back some. Maybe because of the whole national television thing, but when Dr. Phil asks her how his not wearing the wedding ring makes her feel, I expected a stonger response than just "It makes me feel unloved." We all know exactly what we would say if asked that question and I'm positive it would go into a little more depth than just a sentence or two. To not wear your wedding ring is a slap in the face. He might as well just tell her that he doesn't love her enough to wear his ring and that this age-old symbol of unity doesn't apply to their relationship! But you teach people how to treat you, right? This would never happen in a relationship of mine. I love myself too much to let someone humiliate me like that!!! I don't think she should necessarily leave him, but she needs to get a back bone and turn this train around! He doesn't really come off as a tough guy. He seems like a bit of a weakling to me. Or maybe he was just humbled by Dr. Phil.  At any rate, I think I could take him on and change his mind real quick about how to treat his wife!!    ---Laura in NC
 
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February 21, 2006, 8:36 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Watching Grant and Kelly is like watching my first 2 years of marriage.  The only thing Grant didn't have on his list of expectations was "mow the lawn" and me cleaning up after him.  My husband is an only child of a perfectionist mother.  Even the dishes in her cabinet have a specific place.  My husband never even made his own bed until he went to college.  His father worked 16-20 hours a day and his mother did everything at home.  His mom was exactly the wife Grant is describing, and they were content to live that way.  Work was priority to his dad, and he was quick to correct her when things weren't done how he wanted. I come from a family of 6, and my parents are obsessively clean.  My father was the organized one, not my mother.  But they worked as a team and helped one another in their weak areas.  I did not hold up to my mother in law's standards at all!  I was ready to leave my husband for making me feel not adequate enough, but love and determination pulled us through it.  I didn't always feel loved.    I can see both Grant and Kelly's sides on this and can find agreement with both.  It took my husband showing me how he wanted things organized, and working with me on those things.  But it also took him seeing that family and home are much more important to me then having stuff.   He works less and is home more.  We make sacrifices to help give affirmation to one another.  We jump in and show one another our preferences and help each other achieve them.  And we laugh at each others quirks A LOT!  He is my best friend and the love of my life. I don't ever want to live without him. You have to love each other enough to want to change, and do it.  It doesn't happen over night.  13 years now and we still have our days!   The funny thing is that we have rubbed off on his parents and they have a better relationship now than they have ever had.  It can be worked out!   

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:37 am PST

Real Life

I do think it is possible to have it all. The clean house, have dinner on the table, laundry done, take care of the kids, and satisfy your husband. The key to all this is to have a marriage that is more of a partnership than a maid or nanny service. When your husband does not give you the emotional support you need you cant feel like a good wife or mother. Im a stay at home mom that plays the tradional role of the house wife. I have a 2mon. old  a 21mon old and an 8 yearold all three are boys. I have dinner on the table when my husband gets home house cleaned and most of the laundry done. I wont say that it is not a full time job and it can be stressful but it is possible. My one true enjoyment that i do take time out for is to sit and watch the Dr. phil show. Im not one to watch soaps or other talk shows but i can relate to what is on Dr. Phil.  I call it organized caos. Im up at  7:00am and usualy dont go to bed until 12:00 am, but when i lay down i do feel a satisfaction of knowing i have accomplished a lot. I worked for many years and I was a single mom to my oldest son for a while and that was hard but i can say that being a stay at home mom is just as physically grooling and taxing to your body as working 9-5 every day. I also find time to handle all the finances and help run my husbands company. As i said my husband is my partner. He is one of the most amazing men i have every met. He is a wonderful father to the kids, a hard worker, grat provider financialy and emotionally, and he does a great job of  keeping the romance alive. If i could clone him and sell him I would be rich. I think that men need to relize as well as women just as you would work with co-workers at a job you should work in your marriage the same way. Even during my pregnancy i was still able to keep up on the daily routine. Once you perfect and mold it to your life style it is a no fail plain!  

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:37 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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i am writing to you on my wifes sign up on your message board.  after watching Grant and Kelley on the show 3 things came to me that appear to be missed in the conversation.  first, no one person is perfect, so a marriage can not be perfect.   when two people enter into marriage you take each other for the good qualities and the bad.  you grow together and teach each other, working as a team.  marriage is definitly a team process.  point number 2.  two or more people live in this house, therefore everyone should help keep it clean..my wife and i work very hard jobs with long hours.  my work is seasonal with long hours for about 9 to 10 months a year...we work together during these times to make our house a home..when my season is over i take the role of parttime worker and homebody, so i take on more hose cleaning responsibilities...if one of us is tired the other picks up the slack.  point 3.  who taught Grant this idea of what a wife should be?  my parents have been married for 36 years, so i have learned alot from them.  the most important thing that i learned from them is that marriage is not a fifty / fifty split everyday...sometimes it is 90/ 10 or 25 /75.  i believe that we act in our adult lives as a result of things we are taught in our youth. 
You hit the nail right on the head!!! They are truly not working as a team. Marriage is a give and take thing but that does not mean that one does all the taking and one does all the giving.  He really needs to take a long hard look at hisself
 
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February 21, 2006, 8:38 am PST

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This is my first time 'message boarding' but I watched the Dr. Phil show today and felt that I wanted to say something. I have been married for over 2.5 years. My husband, Jason and I are expecting our first child any day now. Since getting married, Jason and I have always worked together in ministry positions, working the same hours and sharing every responsibility inside and outside of the home. We basically lived in eachother's hip pocket 24/7 and it worked well for us.
When we found out that we were going to be parents, we decided that we wanted our child to have the benefit of a stay-at-home parent so we made a move that would allow Jason to work outside of the home and support the family financially while I would work inside of the home, raising our son. I have to say that the transition has been more difficult then either of us imagined. Our needs are different, our stresses are different, some of our priorities are different and I am suddenly finding myself in a world that does not come naturally to me. After several trial and error episodes with the stove, washing machine and vacuum cleaner, I'm doing much better with the duties that I have chosen to be my job. Jason has also had to adjust to being the only 'bread winner' and the stresses that come with that. After several months of living like this, we have learned multiple lessons about life and eachother and have gained a new found respect and appreciation for eachother, inspite our imperfections. We've also learned a new level of self-lessness.
I think the key that is missing in Grant and Kelly's relationships is mutual respect, understanding and empathy for eachother's realities. I think that Grant doesn't understand that his wife 'IS' striving for excellence and that she 'IS' working to the maximum of her potential, everyday. I can only imagine how desperate she must feel when he expects her to be more than what she's able to be. They both seem frustrated because they are working very hard but towards different goals. I think Grant is looking at his relationship and his wifes 'performance' as though he can somehow acheive these things in her if he alters a few of his behaviors. He needs to look at his relationship as though it is just that. A relationship, not a math equasion.
When it comes to Kelly, I think it's smart to put your children's needs ahead of bathroom cleanliness, but it's dangerous to put your children's needs ahead of your spouses. I don't believe this is healthy or right. Sometimes when you say "yes" to your kids you're saying "no" to your spouse. In the end, the best thing that you can give your children is a happy, loving family with parents who love, respect and care for one another. I believe that couples need to make alone time and dating a priority, especially in a home where the children get parent time on a daily basis instead of going to daycare.
All in all I think that couples should strive to be the best 'wife' and 'husband' that they can be for one another. I want to greet my husband and the door with a hug and a kiss when he comes home from work, and hopefully I'll look half decent doing it. My husband wants to make me feel loved and beautiful and effecient by complimenting me and making mention of the little things that I do around the home. Bottom line: My husband works his butt off for me, and it inspires me to be the best I can be in whatever 'job' I find myself in for him. I hope that Grant and Kelly can find this kind of happiness. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:39 am PST

Wifetales

Dr. Phil, I have been marriage for 9 grueling years.  Andrea and I have one child together, 3 year old Princess Trinity, but the problem is with my grown 18 year old step-daughter, Erika.  Dr. Phil, I put my heart and soul into raising my step-daughter and I must say I did a pretty good job.  Every since my daughter Trinity was born, my life as had in a tale-spin.  Dr. Phil, to understand what is going on is really simple.  The love, time, attention, and yes MONEY I use to invest in Erika, I now invest in Princess Trinity, so there is some jealousy.  As a man, I just don't understand how one could be jealous of such a wonder blessing like Princess Trinity.  Money that my wife has for Trinity somehow gets into Erika's hands.  Dr. Phil, I have done my job raising Erika.  She is now holding a 4.0 at Howard University .  Now, her biological father, who lives just 10 minutes from her University, has to step-up.  There is a direct correlation between me letting Erika depend on her father, and my marriage going south.  The bottom-line is my wife will never allow me to do what her first husband done to her and Erika, meaning, let me go without any responsibility without first taking me to the bank.  I feel like Princess Trinity and I are prisoners of our own little success.  Dr. Phil, I love my wife to death, but I just can not stand for Andrea to let Erika's father escape responsibility-free.  I know a mother will always love their children, but to the point a grown child may cause her to lose a responsible and loving husband and father that is crazy.

  

  

 

  

Sincerely, 

Marcrease Hicks   

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:40 am PST

Being Realistic

I believe that the expectations of what makes a great wife, or husband for that matter, is something that is viewed differently by each couple.  I have been married for 8 years and we have 4 kids.  When we got married I thought that I should be superwoman and take care of my husband and my life should revolve around him and any kids we had.  It was my husband who pointed out that unless I was happy with me and could put myself first sometimes, I would only grow to resent him and the time I devoted to him.  He may have felt differently if I wanted to go out clubbing every weekend with my friends, or left every night when he got home so I could have "my" time.  I don't personally need a lot of time for me.  A couple hours in the evenings twice a week when the kids go to bed to curl up with a good book, or going to the gym can get me through.  My husband and I like to take time for each other in the evenings just to catch up on what happened during the day.  I am a stay at home mom who works 2 days a week.  If my husband expected perfection from me he would be seriously disappointed.  Thank God that he thinks it is more important for my sanity to do things my way instead of his.  We don't agree on how or when things should happen all the time, but at least we can see that if we are going to complain, then follow it up with taking over the task at hand.  What works for us, might not work for someone else.  Why should it?  Everyone is different, and has different expectations of themselves.  I feel that all too often a partner that works full time thinks that a stay at home mom/dad doesn't have anything more to do than keep a perfect house.  That would be true in a world where kids did not have minds of their own, and accidents never happened (I believe that it is known as la-la land).
 
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February 21, 2006, 8:41 am PST

Marriage Misconceptions

Perfect wife?  Perfect husband?  There is no such person.  This is a misconception.  Marriage is the ability to love each other enough, that when necessary, you can choose to put the other persons needs, wants or desires before your own.   

  

Marriage and family represent a team.  There shouldn't be "defined" rules.   I have been a stay-at-home mom for 9 years now.  It has not been an easy road.  My husband has a demanding, unpredictable, stressful job.  We try to achieve what is best for our (family) team.  If I have had a particulary hard day, my husband does not hesitate to make dinner or let me go lie down.  Dinner is not my "job."  It is a part our team's day.   If my husband has worked a particularly long day, & calls me at 11:30pm to say that he is on his way home and is hungry, I do not hesitate to get up and prepare him something to eat.  Respect & caring are key. 

  

Spouses that love and respect one another.  That makes the "perfect spouse." 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:43 am PST

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

In my opinion you let Grant off easy on the issue of him not wearing his wedding ring.  I have lived the nightmare that Kelly is living.  I was living with a man for nearly six years and the last two years of your relationship he had a beautiful engagement ring that we had picked out together in his sock drawer.  Like Grant he held it like a dangling carrot promising to give it to me if I became his idea of a perfect person.  He had an extremely critical spirit and was often abusive mostly mentally and sometimes physically.  You should have told Grant how his not wearing his wedding ring is not only passive aggressive but extremely cruel and hurtful.  In my opinion you let him off easy on this particular point of the discussion.  Grant appears to me to be a spoiled little boy who was probably an only child who must have been catered to hand and foot by his parents.  I think men like Grant have low self-esteem and can't achieve perfection themselves so they try to achieve it with others by being overly critical.  I think this takes the focus off themselves and their own short comings so they can feel better about themselves.  I did see a glimmers of hope for  Grant to improve his thinking.  However, I question his motives in not wearing his ring.  For a man who is seeking perfection he may be wanting to send a signal to other women that he is available to explore other options if the perfect women presents herself to him.  "The grass is always greener on the other side" could be be Grant's motto.  Like Kelly I too felt like I was an employee of my boyfriend and I just did not measure up and certainly was not accepted for who I was.  The good news is after seven years with this man I somehow found the strength to leave him and I am now dating a wonderful man who so far treats me with respect and total acceptance.   

  

A loyal viewer, 

Dawn 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:45 am PST

Priorities

After seeing the show, it resonated with myself.  I have friends who go both ways.  Some who could be the next Martha Stewart and then others who could be the next Peggy Bundy.  I think it all boils down to priorities.  My husband spends his free time on hobbies, and I have hobbies - so why should my free time be viewed any less precious when I am going to school and working as well?  My husband is starting to help out around the house, and I appreciate it.  The bulk still falls on me, and if I do not have the time - it does not get done.  I think it is unfair that it is the woman who is judged when the house is not perfect.  My top priority is not having a clean house but living life.  If my house gets messy in the meantime, oh well.  That's life.
 
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