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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 10:39 pm PST

Right

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Just because I have an opinion, voice it, and it is contrary to your thinking doesn't mean I have a disorder. Have you thought to consider that may be I am right and you are wrong

  

  

Grant, 

  

You could be right.   

  

RIGHT out of your mind 

RIGHT out of your bed 

RIGHT out of your home 

RIGHT out of your childrens lives 

  

SO DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT?? OR DO YOU WANT TO BE HAPPY?? 

  

The choice is yours MR. RIGHT 

  

Terry 

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:40 pm PST

guys like you are rare!

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Good Day

  

 

 

  

 

Yesterday my wife and I celebrated our 13th wedding anniversary. We have 4 children and my wife is a stay at home mom. In watching the show of today, I had a few opinions which I would like to share.

  

 

 

  

 

Of the list of 74 or 75 items, which ones does Greg own? I know that if my wife chooses to work one day, we would have to employ at least 4 people to replace what she does on a daily basis. A housekeeper, a cook, a full time babysitter, a limousine driver and a part-time nurse. That is why I try to provide her with the most support I can offer once I get home from work. That is why ever since my first son was born, I took it upon myself to give the kids their baths at night. That is why I let her have "me" time away from the kids over the weekend. That is why I make dinner from time to time or clean the house on a Saturday morning allowing her to sleep in.

  

 

 

  

 

As I have told my wife on so many occasions, so what if the house is not spic and span, so what if we have to eat a quick 10 minute meal in the evening if she is too tired, at least I know my kids were taken care of and at least they had fun with their mom, and most of all, she is not too tired in the evening so she and I can watch the Dr.Phil show together and sit on the bed and talk and laugh.

  

 

  

 

Greg, and to all men out there with this problem, what is the purpose of being married for 30 or 40 years one day, being on your death-bed, thinking back and realize that you spent 20 years of that life complaining on how things should have been organized, how meals should have been prepared and how the house should have been cleaned better.  

  

 

  

 

 You know I thot as I read your letter that guys like you are few and far between!!   You are so nice to help your wife out that much and to give her "me" time hence telling her I care about YOU and I Love YOU....your children also... they love having dad time... even if they have to adopt a dad because the one at home is just too busy or not interested...    I was touched to know guys like you do exist in the world. :-)   your wife is lucky she got you because you are a rare species... good for you and keep up the good work.   by the way the guy in the show's name was Grant not Gregg but I loved that you wrote and it was neat cuz you know it is one of those guy things to just not worry abt the details but get to the point... like ok it wasn't his name but my point is... and that's one thing I like abt you ... your not so anal your real and lovin and it is great that you watch Dr Phil with your wife and that you do so much to tell her she is important to you.  Your great!!  keep it up and the next time guys want to know it's guys like you that are the heros.... guys that really care.    :-) 
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:41 pm PST

Amy's comments....

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I think we did discuss roles and responsibilities, and expectations before we were married. Why aren't people talking on this board about Amy, the SAHM that sided with me on the show tonight? She is very bright, spoke what she thought very well, and had a good point. Problems in a relationship develop when someone doesn't like what they have signed up for, and wants to get out of something without fairly negotiating with the partner.

Is Amy married?  Does Amy have a child or children????  Does she truly understand that there are alot of obstacles involved, time restraints and a very selfish, demanding husband involved?   How dare she call Kelly LAZY and not committed.  (Grant is doing a damn good job of downing Kelly on national t.v.)   Does Amy get to see what goes on behind closed doors at their house?   

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:41 pm PST

ABSOLUTELY!!!

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To give it an honest try, Grant should take a two week vacation from work. It seems that would be a relatively small sacrifice for a happier lifetime together. Kelly is to LEAVE THE HOUSE for ALL THE HOURS that Grant is normally gone. She is NOT ALLOWED TO HELP WITH ANYTHING THAT GRANT DOES NOT NORMALLY HELP HER WITH AT HOME. In the evening, Kelly is to do no more parenting or household work than Grant normally does. If a three year old cries at night, Grant gets up to take care of the child unless Grant normally does this.  Kelly is to leave the house at the same time each day that Grant does, with NO WEDDING RING on her finger.  Anybody can succeed for a weekend, but you need time for the exhaustion of parenting a toddler to set in.  Also, KELLY GETS TO PROVIDE GRANT WITH A LIST OF 70 THINGS SHE WANTS HIM TO ACCOMPLISH DURING THIS TIME, including the types of meals she would like him to cook, the classes he is to sign up for and begin taking, all the home upkeep, etc. in addition to taking good care of the children. Finding a job during this time would not be practical, so Kelly's job, aside from relaxing and resting up a bit, is to talk with at least one older lady a day, who has been married for at least 30 years, and ask them to give her their very best advice on marriage.
YESS!!!!!!
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:52 pm PST

grant and kelly

oh my gosh, my husband and i watched the first time they were on and we watched again yesterday and my husband said grant was a jerk (actually he said something more accurate, but i don't want to post it) and i said that i would have told grant if he didn't like the way I washed the dishes or what ever that here it is you do it, I could use the break. I think he is a controlling egotistical jerk and that Kelly has been mentally abused by him and that is why she thinks she could do better to please him.  I want to ask her why not please your self and to hell with Grant.  Grant needs to quit waisting time worrying about where the couch is setting and worry more about how long his wife is going to be sitting on it. And Dr. Phil you hit the nail on the head when you said to tell Kelly it looks great no mater what it is... my husband has come home to checkerboard kitchen, one time I repainted the living room and wanted to put a boarder paper around the middle of the wall, well i couldn't get it to work the way the instructions said so i Hot glued it to the wall. It wasn't straight and he just laughed and said it looks unique like you... Now thats a husband.
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:56 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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YESS!!!!!!
I guess where I am coming from would be how can Kelly be anything but depressed.  It seems that Grant wants something that he doesn't have and he should "man up" and tell her he is still looking for that "perfect" someone and get out of the marriage.  What type of standards has he set for himself, it doesn't seem like he does anything but work, complain, nag, and measure everything.  maybe Kelly should get a job and hire out for the "french maid" to come in and perform all of the household duties and Grant can see if SHE measures up. 
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:56 pm PST

Abusing Grant?

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 Just because your life was destroyed doesn't mean others should be.  I believe in promises and I believe everyone can use help.  That is why they went to the show.  Different people show emotions differently.  There is nothing wrong with Kelly loving HER husband.  This is to ex marine wife.  I feel as though you are a negative person and maybe you need to understand people a little better.  I feel you are abusing Grant, there for that doesn't make you any better than him.  Please take this as constructive critisim.   I definately have problems for worst than Grants and Kellys but I have a lot of love and HoPe in me.  If someone reaches out for help, you should help them, not shoot them down    EX MARINE WIFE     SINCERELY KIMBERLY

Dear Kimberly, I'm very sorry that you view me as a negative person out to destroy and abuse others.  In reality it is just the opposite. Before I married the man that abused me for 7 years behind closed doors and never used his fists so therefore no one would believe me and I didn't even realize what he was doing for the first 5 and 1/2.   Before that Kimberly, I was a VERY positive optimistic person!  So positive and optimistic in fact that I stayed in the marriage for 7 years!  I listened to your words and your posisitivity in your post and I watched Kelly on the show admitting that her faults were that she couldn't seem to keep the house as clean as they both wanted.  THAT WAS ME!!  That still IS ME!! I was and am positive and optimistic that people ARE ALL inherently GOOD!    I DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE that the man I married could be abusing me.   I DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE that the man I married could be so self loving and so uncaring unsympathetic uncompassionate, disrespectful and all of those bad things to me or anyone else!  I WAS REFUSING TO ADMIT IT!  I WAS IN DENIAL!    And the reason I stayed in that denial sooooo long was because I was soooo positive and optimistic and caring and loving and wanting the best for everyone!    It sounded in your post like your husband is caring and loving.  It sounded in your posts like he is an inherently good person.   I had never been involved with a person in any sort of close relationship before that had the inability to love unconditionally.  I did not believe that could happen to me.   It is not my intention to abuse Grant and I do take it offensively that you accuse me of that.  My intention is to inform Kelly!  There are verbally emotionally abusive people out there everywhere and they exhibit a lot of the signs that Grant is exhibiting.    I am sure that we could all use a little work in understanding people a little better.  I could, you could, everyone could.  Grant could as well.  Kelly could as well.  That is the point!  No ONE is perfect!   I do not feel that by being honest about the fact that his behavior and his demands of her are completely unacceptable and innappropriate is being abusive to him.  I feel that is being honest and I feel the world needs a lot more honesty.   And my life is not destroyed.  I am getting better emotionally, but that did not happen until I left and started finding out what is reality and what is insanity!  The difference between healthy respectful and Controlling abusive relationships.   I do hope as well that Grant is sincere, I hope he changes, I hope they can work it out I truly do!, but my instincts tell me he was not sincere today.  One thing I am learning to do is to listen to myself and trust my innner self.    Hopefully Kelly will be able to learn this too and then she is the only one that can make her Decision.  I sincerely hope for her that she chooses wisely.   And I do still believe that a  lot of people are inherently good, but I now have had my eyes opened that NOT ALL people have the best intentions at heart.  There are lying murderers child molesters rapists and abusers in this world that do not want to change.  They might say they do but they really don't, can't or simply won't.  I don't have all the answers.    I just know what I feel.  I am not an abuser.  I am being honest.    Honestly how can anyone make excuses for Grants treatment toward Kelly.  His treatment of her is abusive.                      
 
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February 21, 2006, 11:00 pm PST

Grant - Take this Test

It appeared to me on this show and the previous one that Grant needs to take the "partnership" test.  I have given this test to many men that have the same 1950 mindset that Grant does about how a wife is suppose to be as a partner in the marriage.  Most of the men tested, do not like the results!   

  

I think Grant also needs to rent the movie, "Pleasantville" and watch the ending.  This is where your marriage is going.  And my question to Grant is this, "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN??"  Do you think you are being a good role model for them.  I surely would NOT want one of your sons to date anyone female I know.  I would not want the years of rigidity, controlfreakoid, and my way or the highway atttitude to be around them.  I truly understand that  you being the person who works outside the home and bringing home the $$$ should at the least expect a clean house, and dinner on the table.  What you are NOT entitled to expect ....is military conformity for EVERYTHING in the entire household to be done! 

  

Do you also expect Kelly to make all of the doctor, dental, and hair appts?  Do you want her to drive herself and all of the children to these appts?  Do you expect her to plan, buy presents for the children, your family for Birthdays and Christmas?  Do you expect her to decorate the house for holidays?  Write out and send out Christmas cards?  I know you stated you expect her to do general maintenance on major and small appliances and keep the cars clean inside and out.  Is she also to do oil changes and spark plugs changes on the cars, lawn mower, and edger?  Is she also to clean out the gutters?  Plant flowers?  Drop off the drycleaning and pick it up.  Go to the post office if necessary.  Make appts for your own personal hygiene needs?  Where exactly does the list EVER end???  As the children get older even more duties will be presented for her to do...right??? 

  

In other words, Grant, she does it ALL, and all you do is go to work for 10 hours a day.....right???  As my husband and I of 33 years watched the show, we just kept saying....HE JUST does NOT get it...STILL!!!  My husband said he knows men just like you at GE that are engineers......all book smart near genius, but total numbskull with everyday life.  PLEASE DONT LET YOUR SONS GROW UP to be like you!  And the wedding band....it was given to you in a religious ceremony....and was stated......WEAR THIS AS AN OUTWARD SIGN THAT THERE IS NO BEGINNING AND NO END to our love and committment to each other for eternity!  Now, I bet if you had a signed contract for something at work, you would want the contract to be HONORED, not one party just holding their part of the contract, RIGHT????  Really think about what you are doing to your wife.  I will predict if things dont change, she will eventually LEAVE you!!!  Seen it happen too many other times.   GET ON BOARD!!!   

 

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February 21, 2006, 11:01 pm PST

Emotional abusers

I tend to agree with a little of both sides. A wife has certain responsibilities just like a husband does and each does them to the best of their abilities. Each should help the other as much as possible for this is a union and I thought spouses worked together to keep the relationship working. However, as an emotionally abused and abandoned wife, I have to say that it is terribly hard to be the best wife you can be when you are constantly put down and made to feel unloved and deficient. It is hard to have your needs met when communication is lacking.  I feel sorry for this wife and can only imagine how she must be feeling.  I am disabled by panic disorder, depression and agoraphobia so I don't get out of the house hardly at all. My (ex) spouse apparently thought that by belittling me even more, giving me the cold shoulder for 5 yrs., abandoning me to move to another state and then having an affair with a woman 3 years older than I am because my hair isn't as light as it used to be, I'm having menopausal female problems and I don't go out with him much anymore that he was going to make things all better.  I've been abused/molested since childhood and don't understand why husbands think they have such a sparkling personality that they can just crush one woman after another while looking for the perfect wife/mate.  The wife on this episode has had more than her share of emotional abuse and needs help in finding her self esteem rather than ways to be a more perfect wife!
 
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February 21, 2006, 11:03 pm PST

Disappointed Too

I too am disappointed in Dr Phil. I think he is a wonderful person, gives great advice, but was way too lenient on Grant. Obviously he does not treat Robin that way NOR would he ever. He does not (or appears to be sending the message) agree with Grant and since he is a tell-it-like-it-is guy/doctor......should have SAID so!!!!!! I do have an opinion but I am not going to make a comment on Grant & Kelly's situation because I was not there and don't know all the facts. We all know TV shows only have time for so many clips and what they want us to see. But Dr Phil knows the whole story and if he indeed feels the way the show leads us to believe, then I feel he should have said more. He should have taken a more positioned stance instead of sitting on the fence like he did. I've seen him with other guests and be far more truthful and passionate than he was today. He seemed to be coddling Grant. Kelly needed someone in her corner and to me, Dr Phil let her down today. That really disappointed me. I do love the show (I TiVo it everyday) and have read ALL of Dr Phil's books. And I will continue to do so. I just wanted to say that I was disappointed.
 
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