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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 8:46 am PST

To Kelly

I wrote quite a note to Grant earlier.  I'm not sure if you and Grant are even reading these posts, but if you are, I want to apologize for any hurt these messages are causing to you personally.  While I stand by my comments, I know you're agonizing over your painfully difficult decision (I've been there). 

  

It crossed my mind that you may have some decent memories/good times.  It appears, based on the show at least, that the majority of your marriage is horribly hurtful and humiliating. 

  

You're so beautiful inside and out.  Your love for your family shows.  I just don't see that in Grant AT ALL.  His love is completely conditional (if there is love there), yet you seem to hang in there on the thread of hope that his love is genuine for you, and not your performance. 

  

Ever thought about taking a little vacation - maybe you have a sibling who can go with you.  Maybe a little break from it all will help you, and with Grant taking on all the responsibilities you have, help him see the pain he is causing.  I noticed he had a difficult time keeping up in the first show.  Unfortunately, that didn't seem to phase him much. 

  

I've been in a similar situation.  Sincerely, if you'd like to talk, please feel free to write at debrah1963@insightbb.com, ok?? 

  

Sincerely, 

Debra in Illinois 

 

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February 21, 2006, 8:49 am PST

My advice to Kelly

I can tell by how firmly you have stuck to this marriage that you want your children to have their mom and dad in the same home.  I applaud that and I admire your self sacrifice for your children.  Walking is the easy answer but it isn't the best one. 

  

I understand what it is you want from Grant.  I am lucky enough to receive unconditional love and acceptance from my husband and it is wonderful-our marriage is a joy because when you both give love and acceptance to each other, you get caught in an upward spiral rather than a downward one.   

  

I just don't think Grant is capable of giving that kind of love to you.  His love is broken, just as much as if his limbs didn't work.  It is difficult to be married to someone broken, but if you view him that way, maybe you can see that his dissatisfaction and criticism is not about you.  

  

It will be difficult, but look for your self worth and validation internally.  If you think you spent a wonderful, creative day playing with your children-celebrate it and congratulate yourself on what you value. Set your own goals and values and follow them. When you approve of yourself, tell yourself (even in writing) what a good jo you are doing.  You will feel more confidence and happiness and that may allow you to stop the downward spiral you and Grant are caught in.  You might be able to love yourself enough that you will be able to laugh off his moods and love him anyway. 

  

Try to treat Grant's criticism like you would a cranky child's tantrum.  It isn't about his love for you, it is just a reaction to his internal brokeness.  I even can feel sorry for Grant because he can't love fully-being the lover is as mutually joyful as being the love object.   

  

However, I think you need to ensure that you don't accept disrespectful treatment for you OR your children. Demand polite and considerate treatment for everyone in your home.  You are the protector of your children and you shouldn't let Grant model behaviour that you both agree is inappropriate or you will raise the next generation of broken people.  

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:51 am PST

Grant & Kelly

Just saw the second part of Grant and Kelly's "More Wifestyles" show.  I think that Dr. Phil should have spent a lot more time on how Grant's obsessive, controlling behavior will impact his kids. These kids are going to grow up hating their father and themselves because Grant will most assuredly control them the same way he controls his wife.  Kids who are subject to this kind of mental abuse grow up to use food as comfort (obese), control food because they have no control over anything else (anorexic), suicidal, cutters (self-mutilation), chronic depression, bullying behavior, social anxiety, OCD, and are generally miserable, joyless people because that's who their father is and as a parent he has a huge influence over their upbringing.  Kelly should recognize that her kids are going to be damaged as much as she has been damaged (whether she can admit it or not) and she needs to take the kids NOW and run like hell before they're reading their son's suicide note 15 years from now and it says "nothing I ever do is good enough and I hate myself."   

And one more thing...the reason Grant is not wearing his wedding ring is not a mystery (even though he swears he hasn't figured it out yet).  The reason he isn't wearing it is because subconsciously Kelly is not good enough and she does not deserve to be married to him.  Once she measures up to his demands/standards (unlikely to impossible, depending on what it is) then he will deem her worthy but until then he is ashamed of her inferiority and thats why he is symbolically disavowing his marriage by taking off the ring. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:52 am PST

A hug for Kelly

Oh gosh. I just want to grab Kelly and hug her, to reassure her that she is a beautiful, smart, talented mother with a giving spirit. To see her looking so beaten down, so defeated and struggling to please someone who refuses to be pleased. It breaks my heart. 

  

I cannot imagine facing my husband day after day, seeing him clench his fists when he looks at me as if to say "You're just not good enough. I'm not going to say it because I want to look like a good guy but you don't measure up." What a horrible way to feel, that the one person who is supposed to love you and cherrish you keeps rejecting you. 

  

Kelly, I am praying for you. You do not deserve to go through every day feeling like a failure because you are not. You do MATTER!  

  

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:53 am PST

needs help

  

  I think that he should visit someones home where the man comes home and helps out his wife at the end of the day so that they can have spend time together at the end of the day.  They should feel like a team not fight against each other.  He needs to understand that the time she spends with the kids is time that will make them be better in life for all of them and that the way that their dad is treating there mother is not the way to be happy.   Dad needs to show Mom love and respect .  Him not wearing his wedding ring?  Is he looking for a new wife????? 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:55 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Grant sounds more like he is trying to be Kelly's father instead of her husband. A husband sits down with his wife and talks to her if there is a problem he doesn't lecture her or write lists. He has a lot to learn about what it takes to be a man. Kelly has been beaten down for so long you can see it in her face she feels useless and that is something Grant did to her. Weather he meant to or not he has made her feel useless and like she can do nothing right so why even try. That is a bad place to be. One day he may come home and the house will be as clean as its ever been because it will be empty. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:56 am PST

Been in Kelly's shoes!

I've been married for 17 years, am a stay at home mom / housewife and have been in Kelly's shoes. My problem was that I had low enough self esteem to put up with the degrading obnoxious "critiques" of my "job". I allowed myself to be the victim. I gave my husband the power (control) of how I felt and behaved. My husband is an engineer as well (so sorry but it does seem to be a bit of a trend for you engineering husbands to be a wee bit controlling). When we went to see a marriage counselor and I said my husband was controlling, he responded with "I don't know why she says that, I let her do a lot of things"!! Even the counselor was surprised! LOL!  I married my husband because he "took care of things" I could just follow his decisions blindly and not have to make any myself. After a few years and a lot of maturing I realized this wasn't how I wanted to be treated or live anymore. Unfortunately, my poor husband wasn't prepared for me to change. Kelly's husband is a control freak and he has behaved in this manner for too long. This passive aggressive "not wearing the wedding ring" is BULL and completely disrespectful. Grant needs to let go and realize the world is not going to fall apart because there are streaks on the windows, or the house doesn't look like something from a magazine. If Kelly were to die tomorrow, would you wish she could have finished that last load of laundry or that you had a chance to talk to her and hold her hand? She will want to spend time with you when you make her want to be with you. Do you want to work with someone who comes in and only tells you the errors you made on a project? Or would you rather have someone who works with you on a project and helps work out the kinks. Maybe you should try getting up from the dinner table one night and help clear the table, offer to bathe and put the kids to bed so Kelly isn't so exhausted from trying to do everything that she doesn't feel like spending time with Mr. Critical. All relationships are give and take, when she makes an effort, you should too. Have you ever tried calling her in the morning and suggesting you will bring home dinner so she doesn't have to worry about cooking that night? And Kelly, he has to live in the house too, picking out curtains or decorating in a way you knew he would dislike is just being passive aggressive and not helping. Did you buy the curtains because you loved them or because you knew it would drive Grant nuts?  Grant, you should think of Kelly as your partner, not an employee. You could have it so much worse- I know what your response is, it's the same as my husbands used to be "but I could also have it so much better".  My husband's eyes were opened when he and the operations manager of his company stopped by his house to pick up some paperwork and the family my husband thought was "perfect" had the most disgusting home he'd ever been in. Too many pets, trash overflowing, dirty dishes and laundry everywhere. He thought because this guy was so happy, a good leader and a great engineer that his whole life must be picture perfect. He also thought that the way the house looked during planned functions was the way it always looked. He brought me flowers that night and thanked me for how hard I worked. Being appreciated goes a long way, you should both try it some time.  
 
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February 21, 2006, 8:56 am PST

why didn't you ask...?!?!?!?

Good Morning Dr. Phil! 

  

I actually was able to watch your show this morning as I was washing dishes and my three-year old daughter played with her play dough!!! 

  

I am just curious (as I've seen you in the past as hardly EVER missing a THING) about why you didn't ask Grant how he feels about the REST of his family?  I understand from the show, that he has children.  Surely, even though he seems QUITE  dense and self-consumed, he realizes that his wife has much more to do than to "see to only HIS desires".  When I heard her relay the story of the little boy riding his bike naked while she was trying to clean, I just wondered why you would let that opportunity slip by to ask Grant about that choice.  Would he rather have the bathroom spotless, or his child safe.  And that is just ONE episode!  With children that young, it goes without saying that those things happen on an hourly basis.  That's why my home is such a wreck.  It is VERY frustrating for me that my home IS in such a wreck, BUT though the wreck of a house gets on my nerves, I CANNOT sacrifice time with my children and a book for something that isn't going to make as much of an impression on their lives...like a clean bathroom!  Nor can I sacrifice the safety of my children for the sake of clean dishes.  Clothes are a different story!  We can eat on paper plates, but they haven't invented paper clothes yet!  With that little story of theirs revealed, and no response from Grant, it makes me really wonder about his priorities.  It seems obvious that he would choose the clean bathroom!  In his eyes, it seems to all be about GRANT, and no one else. 

  

As for his refusal to wear his wedding ring, that sends a message to me that he doesn't see marriage as a true commitment.  Even though he didn't say this, it seems that he's trying to use that as a threat or some sort of leverage with his wife.  SO WRONG.  Marriage, as we all know, is a commitment that two people make to each other, a promise of that commitment before and to God.  To treat it like that is childish and irreverent.  Quite obviously, the wife here has a much greater understanding of what "it's" all about than her husband, even if she is appearing to be a little clueless.  It is a shame to see such an emotionally committed wife and mother treated so poorly by the one person with which she has CHOSEN to spend her life. 

  

Grant needs a spanking AND time in the corner afterward to think about what he's done!  Maybe role reversal is called for here!  I DOUBT with ALL my being that he would be able to accomplish what he himself wants!  He needs to taste it!  Then HE needs to be critiqued! 

  

Exasperating!!! 

 
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February 21, 2006, 8:58 am PST

Relationships are Hard

Having watched the show today, I have to admit that I think Grant's expectations are outrageous and that Kelly is a saint for putting up with him. I will say, however, that Grant seemed sincere in his attempts to figure out his problems and that even though he doesn't seem to "get it", he wants to. It had to be hard for both of them to get up there and admit the kinds of stuff that is happening in their lives, especially after the responses given to them when they went on the first time. Although I do not experience the same kinds of issues Grant and Kelly do in their marriage, I do have issues with cleaning and housework in my relationship. For me, the issue is that I do not feel like I should have to do all the cooking and cleaning and organizing just because I am a woman and a wife. I work a full time job just like my husband does and in fact, work more hours than he does because I supplement my income with part time work. I don't want to cook or clean any more than he does when I get home. Luckily for me, my husband does not expect me to do all the cooking and cleaning etc., but at the same time, he is not willing to help out. We are in a constant battle about the state of the house because I refuse to do it by myself, and he cannot bring himself to do his share on a regular basis. The dilemma lies in the fact that I want a clean, organized house, but do not believe I should have to do it by myself, especially since I did not make the mess by myself. I was put on this earth to clean up after a man just because I am a woman!My point in bringing all of this up is that all couples go through issues regarding the division of labor. Like Dr. Phil always says, relationships are a negotiation between the individuals involved. I think Kelly and Grant started in the right place when they sat down and defined what they expect and what they can give. Now they just have to renegotiate the terms of the agreement until both parties are happy. In my relationship, I have had to learn to live with a house that is messier than I would like and my husband has had to learn to step up his game a bit to help out more. Neither of us is completely happy, but both are of us are satisfied for now. Kelly and Grant just aren't at that point yet. Lastly, I sincerely hope that Grant learns to be less critical and more supportive. Criticism can break a person down and destroy his/her sense of self. I do not think that Grant wants that for Kelly. I just think he just wants what he wants when he wants it and has not yet learned that life doesn't always give you what you want. Hopefully, he will reconsider his strategies for getting what he wants before it is too late.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:00 am PST

Grant

The below insert is from Dr. Phil's web-site - read it please. 

  

Advice for Perfectionists and Controllers


If your perfectionism or need to control others is ruining your relationships, Dr. Phil has some advice.


 

  • If a relationship with a loved one is strained because of your behavior, ask yourself what ownership you have in the current situation. What are you doing to alienate those close to you?

  • Ask yourself: How much fun are you to be around? Can you honestly blame anyone for not wanting to be around someone who constantly nags, criticizes and controls? Do you have a critical spirit?

  • Acknowledge that the need to control is really about you. It isn't about the people you are trying to control — it's about a need that you are trying to fill, or a fear that you may have. When a person is trying to control all the external chaos in their world, they are really trying to control their internal chaos.

  • What is driving your need for perfectionism? Find out what you are afraid of. If you don't control everything, what do you think will happen? What are you afraid people will conclude about you if you aren't perfect? What do you know about you, that you think everybody would see, if you didn't keep up the façade?  

      

  •  Be aware of how you make people feel. If you have children, they may be feeling like they will never measure up, they'll never be good enough, there's nothing they can ever do to please you. Are you inadvertently teaching them how to become a controlling perfectionist just like you? Do you really want to hand that legacy down to your children?  

      

  • It is possible to be so controlling that it actually cripples your health. Isn't it true that you're exhausted trying to control everything? As you get older, you're going to find you have less and less energy to keep all of the balls in the air. And some of them are going to start hitting the ground, and then you're going to start panicking. At some point you have to trust yourself and trust the world enough to say, "I will let go and if it falls apart, it falls apart." The world is not going to fall off its axis if you let go. 

      

  • Ask yourself what you have to lose if you stop trying to control others. You know on a rational level that it isn't possible to control people and the world. You can't really lose any control because you don't really have control over other people and the world now.
  • Understand that what you fear, you create. Sometimes controlling people are so afraid of losing the people around them, that they drive the ones they love away with controlling behavior.

  • Give yourself permission to let go and make the choice to change.
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