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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 9:11 am PST

Look inside yourself and be honest

 Grant,
I was pleased to read you reply to my post a few days ago, as it indicated that you are really making an effort to try and change and make things better. I applaud you for going on the show again. However, I'd like to, and I hope in a kind way , have you ask yourself some questions and try to answer them honestly. 

Is this the first relationship you've had where you've found yourself feeling angry and resentful, and that you felt  the gal you were with should be what you wanted her to be?

Have other relationships ended because someone couldn't live up to your standards?

Is there something in your job that is making you feel frustrated, that you can't control, so you feel like you MUST control everything else in your life that you can. Have you not gotten a promotion that you felt you deserved?

I feel you are very frustrated and angry and I don't believe this started with Kelly. If you truthfully look at your past, hasn't this been a pattern for you?

Lastly, I would like to say that I have always been a worrier. I worried about the dumbest things. Then I had a couple of terrible things happen in my life. I lost my Mom to cancer, I had 2 scares of my own, that I had cancer (one being ovarian cancer) and I found out that someone very close to me had done something terrible to me behind my back that changed my life.   Watch TV and listen to the stories of parents who have kids who are dying of cancer at age 5.  PUT THINGS  IN PERSPECTIVE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!! The stuff you are making yourself crazy over is so insignificant in the vast scheme of things.

Also, I think you need professional counseling, and so does Kelly. Kelly to improve her self esteem, and you to figure out why you "NEED" to control everything that she does. I'm sorry but Dr Phil was right, this isn't about Kelly not keeping the house clean......this is about you not being happy with you. Find out why before it is too late. Some people here think you don't really love Kelly. I don't know but if you don't ....let her go and don't continue this torture because that's what it is. She deserves to be happy......and so do you. If you split up and you don't get help....you will go on to do the same exact thing with the next woman in your life, I guarantee it.

Also I don't want to continue a debate with you. I sincerely hope you and Kelly can work things out. I am not trying to talk down to you.

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:12 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

OK Dr. Phil why haven't you suggested that Grant stay home for a day and do Kelly's "job".   

  

I wonder how he would stack up to his own criteria. 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:14 am PST

Where were you Dr. Phil?

Where were you Dr. Phil when I was married to Grants clone? I spent almost 10 yr. trying to make a man just like Grant happy. With one difference that is.... he expected me to work a full time job as well as meet all his expectations. Then one day out of the clear blue sky he came home from work and said he wanted a divorce! When he voiced his complaints about me to my then sister-in-law (and now good friend) she told him "June Clever was dead and she didn't have to work outside the home." God love her!  After nearly 10 yrs to reflect on my marriage I've come to realize that there was nothing I could have done to please him because he is unhappy with himself. So Dr. Phil I just wanted to say thank-you for finally allowing me to feel vindicated. You actually said word for word some of the same things I said to him all those yrs. ago.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:15 am PST

Getting *IT*

Obviously, the Grant and Kelly episodes have stimulated many thoughts among the masses - me included. From what I've read posted here, however, my thoughts are a little different than what's already been expressed. I watched today's show in total amazement and felt so much sadness for BOTH Grant and Kelly.  

  

I've only been married once and I'm still married to the same great guy since 1976. I would hate for our inner-most thoughts or problems to be aired on national television and I have to applaud Grant and Kelly for risking so much in such a public venue. If nothing else, it shows bravery from both of you. Not many of us could withstand such scrutiny and I can only imagine the tension and nervousness participating in these shows caused for each of you. Thank you for sharing. 

  

As I listened to Grant today it was obvious, even before Dr. Phil stated it, that Grant is somewhat anal retentive. I admire Grant's ability to accept the comment with humor and *own* the label. He could have become overly defensive and turned the entire show into an episode of  "Jerry Springer," but he maintained class, as did Kelly, and both finished with their integrity intact. 

  

There are a couple of questions that only Grant and Kelly can answer, like... 

-- Can Grant genuinely change his expectations of Kelly and learn how to *chill* rather than *react*? 

--  Can Kelly continue to live with this high level of criticism and feelings of inadequacy? 

--  Will Grant be able to realize that wearing his wedding ring has no bearing on Kelly's performance as a housewife, that it's a symbol of his commitment to her and their marriage vows of providing each other *UNCONDITIONAL LOVE*? It also tells other women that he IS NOT AVAILABLE and already has a wife - which is an important and necessary aide in maintaining trust, confidence and self-esteem in a marriage. By him not wearing the band he is undermining his marriage and creating an overall air of distrust, as well as contributing to Kelly's low self-esteem and lack of self-confidence. Maybe the problem is deeper than what we all think, though. Maybe Grant is terrified that HE will fail as a husband, a father, and a provider, so, maybe he chooses to not wear the band until he's confident that HE will succeed. Thought here: Test the waters and wear the ring. That one simple act might change a lot of things in their relationship - for the good.  

  

After my own 30 years of marriage to the same guy, I saw Grant and Kelly as being very young and inexperienced at this whole marriage-relationship thing. Marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. In an earlier post here, Grant said he had talked to friends who told him that they, too, would like their wives to be better housewives - and that was validating for him. But, Grant - do you realize how completely immature and self-centered that makes you AND your buddies sound? You obviously have a job - and a boss. Do you expect your boss to do all of the work and just give you a paycheck each week for sitting behind a desk? Does your boss expect YOU to do all of the work alone, or do you have team members, and does your boss contribute to the overall workload and decision making process at work? Like most companies, I suspect that your company expects you to work in partnership with team members and in complement to the *boss* so that the workload is completed in a timely, effective/efficient, and as successful as possible manner. And while a job holds the family's finances stable, a marriage holds together our emotional well-being and our very essense of self-worth - which IMHO, is equally valuable to the family as a job. 

  

Grant: what would you do if Kelly suddenly was stricken with a debilitating illness? Would you divorce her - just discard her life as worthless because she no longer is able to take care of the household as you expect her to? Some people truly might do exactly that if a spouse were to become seriously ill or disabled. WOULD YOU?  -OR- would you find a way to manage your job outside the house with the needs of the household to keep your family together? This is an important question that only you can answer. IF the answer is *yes* - you would leave Kelly if she were disabled, then you would be doing your entire family an incredible justice by leaving the marriage now while you are both still young and attractive and energetic enough to find another life partner. IF the answer is *no* - you would NOT leave Kelly if she were to become disabled - then you have a marriage worth saving and doing whatever it takes to make life work together. 

  

Kelly:  When you need to clean the bathrooms, or do laundry, have you ever thought about barracading the kids in a smaller room, using a baby gate, and putting a movie in the TV to entertain them while you're working and also keeping them safe? Do you have portable intercoms that you can move from room-to-room while you are working so you can keep an ear on them? If not, they are less than $40 a set at WalMart. Go buy some. There ARE ways to watch and entertain the kids while you get your housework done without one of them stripping down and riding his tricycle in the front lawn. Do you attend church? Many churches offer daycare, or "Mommies Morning Out" programs, setup for just that reason...to help young mothers have time for themselves to either work or relax.  Are you financially able to bring in household help for a few hours each day, or twice a week? It's not that costly, and frankly - if the relationship is worth salvaging, then the expense will be worth it. ALSO, Kelly -- are you doing anything *JUST FOR KELLY*? Do you ever get to go out for a massage, or to workout at a gym, or attend a women's Bible Study, or go to an afternoon movie with a friend? If not - I hope you will consider finding something to do that validates you and you alone - soon. Mothers are the foundation of two-parent households. If you don't take care of yourself, the foundation of your household might crumble before you - and where will that leave you beyond beaten and broken? 

  

Grant: Before Dr. Phil even said it, I was thinking it: "Change your expectations."  I have been married to an anal retentive man (I say that with love) for 30 years. Just 10 years ago, we adopted three young brothers who all had special neuro-biological needs. We now know that NONE of our expectations will EVER be met - and the first five years of parenting them we kept trying to get them to fit into our expectations of them. Then one day, a well-meaning social worker pointed out to us that *maybe* our expectations for our kids could not ever work, and we should consider changing our expectations of them individually, as well as collectively, as a family unit. It was life-saving advice.  

  

Neither my husband or I had any idea how we could *change our expectations* - but with some professional help and guidance, as well as a ton of research and reading on our own, i.e., *self-education*, we learned that it IS possible to change our expectations - and it sure as heck has made our lives a lot easier and less stressful over these past five years of parenting.  Our family life isn't for everyone, by any stretch of the imagination - but it works for US. And although neither of us is big on sports - trust me - we've become experts at learning how to move back a few yards and punt to the finish line.  

  

I will add here that in the past decade-plus of our marriage, I have become partially disabled, making housework often painful and difficult for me to complete. It sometimes eats away at my own self-esteem, not being able to keep up with everything. But that wonderful, anal retentive husband of mine told me years ago that he didn't marry me for the housework I could do for him - that he married me because I'm the woman he chose to spend the rest of his life with - and whatever I can't finish, he'll follow behind me and get it done so that my pain is somewhat relieved. Did I mention that my husband works about 60 hours a week and comes home each night and sweeps the floors for me? He also folds clothes or moves laundry loads - or whatever else wasn't able to be finished - and he NEVER complains. He says as long as snuggle up with him at bedtime so he knows that I am there with him, he is happy, content, and life is good for him.  HIS ATTITUDE is the primary reason I have been able to maintain my own self-esteem and self-confidence. You could take a lesson or two from him and I hope you do!  By the way - you mentioned that you've held in your frustrations for so long that you are afraid you will explode. Try working out at the gym, or taking up bike riding to help release some of that pent-up frustration. 

  

I know that I am a woman blessed among women. I just pray that someday Kelly can claim the same thing - and that it can be while she is married to you. I saw on the show that you are sincere about all of this. I believe that you have it within yourself to make the changes in your own life that are necessary to have a healthy relationship with Kelly - IF YOU WANT THAT FOR YOURSELF. But only you can choose. Remember... LIFE IS NOT MEASURED BY THE NUMBER OF BREATHS WE TAKE, BUT BY THE MOMENTS THAT TAKE OUR BREATH AWAY. Translated, that means start appreciating what you have and seeing miracles in the smallest of things. That is life's greatest reward... not whether or not the house is clean, the laundry finished, and Aros con Pollo is on the dinner table. 

  

Blessings to you both... JB 

  

 

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February 21, 2006, 9:15 am PST

Grant and Kelly

I certainly hope Grant can change his critical ways.  He needs to understand that Kelly is a human being--not one of his electrical engineering projects. 

  

He seems to need to loosen up and learn to relax instead of being so critical of Kelly.  I wonder if he has ever been treated as a human being.  Was  he shown love, kindness and acceptance as a child ?  Were his parents hyper-critical of him as a child ? 

  

Whatever his issues, he needs to treat Kelly with love and respect and kindnes.  If he doesn't, I'm sure there are plenty of other men who would be glad to have such an attractive, loving, giving, intelligent woman as Kelly. 

  

Best of luck to both of them ! 

  

Helen    

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:16 am PST

Sadly hopeless

 My heart breaks for Kelly, in this day and age women should not have to tolerate control freaks like Grant. She's a beautiful woman and could do so much better!  It took me 20 years to get out of a similar marriage... and now I wonder every day why I didn't leave sooner. I am now with a man who treats me better than I ever dreamed possible... and I don't even remember what it's like to cook anymore! We share the chores, the decorating, the bills... and in return our home is peaceful, warm and loving.  6 years ago I wouldn't have thought it was possible to be this blessed. I hope Kelly finds the same peace and happiness I have.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:16 am PST

OMG I could write a book

Grant is pretty much the poster boy for my husband's school of wife-improvement.  However, for now I just want to comment on "what is the role of a wife." 

  

I look at it this way.  Being a housewife as your primary "job" is like having the worst job in the world if you have a husband like Grant. 

  

Just imagine having a job in the outside world like this:   

  

No promotions, EVER.  No pay raises. No cash bonuses.  No kind words for a job well done or going above and beyond expectations.  No quitting time, no time off, no vacations.  You never, ever complete your tasks because they are not tasks with an end.  You are on call 24 hours a day and quite often will be called upon in the middle of the night to report to work immediately to take care of a crisis involving but not limited to any of your "co-workiers"  and possibly vomit, dog poo, leaking plumbing or scarey noises and monsters. No matter how long dealing with this crisis takes, you will also need to be to work on time the following morning to take care of your regualr duties.  You will not be thanked for reporting to work at 3 am, in fact most people at your place of employment will not even be aware of it.  And, by the way, you will be the only employee expected to show up and take charge of these late night emergencies. 

  

The only pleasure or satisfaction at all you can EVER expect to get from this job is a little pride in knowing that you did your best and enjoying/loving the people with whom you work.   

  

When your co-worker, or supervisor, as the case may be, constantly points out that all of the tasks you work on are, in his opinion,  not quite up to par, he robs you of that tiny bit of job satisfaction and makes your working environment unpleasant.  

  

Who would want a job like that?   

  

Heck, I had more job satisfaction when I was 16 working at McDonalds.  At least there the boss occaisionally said, "Good job, you get a nickle raise!"  or "Thanks for cleaning out that grease trough, I know I could count on you." 

  

Just that fact that a wife is WILLING to accept that job position should make her husband extremely thankful no matter how much she is able to get done on a given day.  She should be paid often in kind words and gestures.  She should be appreciated for the things that she does instead of reprimanded for the things HE wishes were done.   

  

  

  

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:17 am PST

About this poor delusional fella

  I'm not quite sure where this guy got his ideas for a wife, but it seems to me he would be better off hiring a domestic servant or acquiring a slave because he certainly doesn't know anything about how a wife ought to act. I expect my wife to act as she always has; that's what attracted me to her in the first place--- that she was who she was, not that I could mold her os sheape her, or coerce or bagder her into something she wasn't born to be.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:18 am PST

outsource

I would hire an interior decorator to come in and decorate the windows (or whatever he is displeased with). You can also hire personal chefs.  There are professional organizers that will come on and literally revamp ypur home.After he worked 2-3 jobs to pay for a "perfect" home, he would be to tired to complain.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:21 am PST

I have the perfect wife!

I have been married for 12 years and I have the perfect wife!   She is a full time teacher and she comes home and helps with homework to our 2 children and cooks dinner, then cleans up and gets everything ready for the next day.  I am a retail manager and put in over 60 hours a week, but that's nothing compared to what my wife does.  When I am home in the evening we split the chores and helping with the kids, but when I work nights, its all her.  When she decided to stay home for a couple of years after we had our children, we sat down and discussed the responsiblities and she said she would take care of most of them since she was home all day.  When she went back to work full time, we sat down again and discussed responsibilities and worked out a plan so we are both a part of it.  There are times where she has even cut the lawn on a weekend, because I have worked 6 or 7 days straight without a day off and she doesn't want me to take my only day off to mow the lawn.  On the other hand, when I am off, the house is clean and I have dinner ready when her and the kids come home.  It's a 50/50 relationship and yes, we all make sacrifices, and compromises.  If I am tired one night, but she wants to watch a movie, I will stay up, and vice-versa.  She is the most important person in my life, my soulmate!!  Yes, I do have the perfect wife, but she's perfect in my eyes, not because of some list of expectations. 

Her loving husband, 

John 

 
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