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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 22, 2006, 10:51 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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No matter what Kelly does it will not be enough!  

Grant has already started leaving her, by taking off his ring he is stating that he really can not be married to someone who does not measure up to his standards. I would be interested in knowing if he has already started looking for a replacement. Chances are that the replacement will not be anyone who does things his way but will be someone who puts him in his place and also borderlines on abusive treatment making him feel like he does not measure up. 

Kelly is the one who "doesn't get it" she is the one who is OK and Grant is the bully. 

I hope Kelly gets some reassurance that she is acceptable just as she is. Kelly's self worth is at a very dangerous level. She has been brainwashed to believe that she does not measure up. Someone like Kelly who has lived with verbal abuse for all those years needs to be rescued.Kelly needs to be ready to survive on her own and not have to go thru years of trying to figure out what she could have done differently. Maybe she needs lessons on deciding on what she wants to accomplish and at what pace.  

I am not against Grant, however! I think he has already moved on and is just looking for an excuse to justifiably leave. 

Your thoughts capture the essence of my reaction to this sorry situation too.  Kelly , "catch a plane, catch a bus, you can't leave there fast enough".   He has such a long way to go to learn to see himself  as a contaminator of this relationship, and you could be starting the first day of a good, new life, without  him.   Your life was a gift . . . honor that gift and claim a good life!
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:51 am PST

NO STATS PLEASE

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Here are some statistics showing the odds for children with absent fathers:  

  • 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
  • 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
  • 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
  • 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
  • 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
  • 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
  • 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
  • 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

These statistics translate to mean that children from a fatherless home are:  

  • 5 times more likely to commit suicide.
  • 32 times more likely to run away.
  • 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders.
  • 14 times more likely to commit rape or be sexually abused:
  • 9 times more likely to drop out of high school.
  • 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
  • 9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution.
  • 20 times more like to end up in prison.

Your point is correct that children who have an involved father can have similar problems, but those problems occur at a much reduced frequency.  There are many strategies, including family counseling and supervision that can help respond to abusive situations and protect the child but still involve the father. 

Does your stats include what happens to children who have a parent or parents who mentally abuse them???  Just because a father is present means nothing!!!  My ex husband never let my son feel good about himself (he no longer see's him..his choice).  My son is a diff. person since he hasnt had to deal with him...having both parents around is not always the best...I am a product of a divorce with absent father and I had NONE of those problems.   My son is 17 drug free, B + average, is going to college and went from being an obese child is whole life to being a great athlete that all his teachers tell me he is a joy to have in class.....I hate stats...they mean nothing 
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:51 am PST

NO STATS PLEASE

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Here are some statistics showing the odds for children with absent fathers:  

  • 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
  • 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
  • 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
  • 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
  • 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
  • 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
  • 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
  • 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

These statistics translate to mean that children from a fatherless home are:  

  • 5 times more likely to commit suicide.
  • 32 times more likely to run away.
  • 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders.
  • 14 times more likely to commit rape or be sexually abused:
  • 9 times more likely to drop out of high school.
  • 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
  • 9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution.
  • 20 times more like to end up in prison.

Your point is correct that children who have an involved father can have similar problems, but those problems occur at a much reduced frequency.  There are many strategies, including family counseling and supervision that can help respond to abusive situations and protect the child but still involve the father. 

Does your stats include what happens to children who have a parent or parents who mentally abuse them???  Just because a father is present means nothing!!!  My ex husband never let my son feel good about himself (he no longer see's him..his choice).  My son is a diff. person since he hasnt had to deal with him...having both parents around is not always the best...I am a product of a divorce with absent father and I had NONE of those problems.   My son is 17 drug free, B + average, is going to college and went from being an obese child is whole life to being a great athlete that all his teachers tell me he is a joy to have in class.....I hate stats...they mean nothing 
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:52 am PST

Where will she run to?

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to Grant:  In my dictionary next to Male Chauvinist - my gosh there is YOUR picture!  And here it is again - next to "clueless" and "insensitive" and "self-centered", "selfish", "boorish" - it's all over the place!  I've left better men than you when the relationship got too controlling or expectations got too weird, and they couldn't hold a candle to how you are controlling Kelly - you are the epitome of controlling.  In fact, you are abusive.  WHile I do agree kids benefit from an example of cleanliness and order...how do they benefit from a house run in a military, unrealistic fashion??  And a mom who is nervous, stressed out, unhappy?  You are raising future anorexics!  at the very least those kids will have ulcers from the stress of your ridiculous, ludicrous, insane expectations.   Looking at you and knowing what you expect of Kelly in the looks and wardrobe arena...get a MIRROR buddy!  In my opinion you are hopeless.  Dr. Phil is good at what he does but I don't think even HE can make you bearable. I would like to visit your past to see just where in the hell your wiring got so screwed up.  ...and by the way, Mr. Perfect -- it's "when the credits ROLL" ...not role.  Work on that....you get a D-.  I think men should be good spellers...it's on my list. 

  

To Kelly:  HOOOOOOOOOONEY!  For cryin' out loud girl!  RUN!  If you can't do it for YOU then please do it for your KIDS for God's SAKE! 

Honestly now....where will she run to?  Who will want her with all those kids of hers??  Did you think of that?
 

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February 22, 2006, 10:52 am PST

growing up with a dad like Grant

Grant, you remind me of my father.  He, too, was a highly educated, intelligent scientist-type, but he had the emotional intelligence of an earthworm.  He analyzed and criticized everything, and the highest praise I ever had from him -- after I got first place in a state-wide competition -- was, "that was pretty good."  Otherwise it was "you're getting fat," "you wear too much makeup," "why did you get a B in math when you could have gotten an A," blah blah blah.  Nothing I did was ever good enough, and he would nit-pick over stupid, trivial things which weren't even any of his business.  The emotional abuse was constant, and it took a heavy toll.  Just like Dr. Phil warned you about your own kids, I rebelled as a teenager.  I moved out of the house as soon as I could after high school, and I dropped out of college (that really hit Dad below the belt, since he was a professor).  I was so desperate for male attention and approval that I did all sorts of self-destructive things (heavy drinking, drugs, promiscuity) for attention.  I developed an eating disorder which plagues me to this day.  I went through a major depression at the age of 23, and the only reason I didn't commit suicide was that I was afraid that I would go to hell for all eternity.  I hooked up with a legalistic religious cult for awhile which gave me lots of attention, but only as long as I followed their strict rules.  I also developed a controlling, critical personality just like my father's.  I was so outraged by what I had endured at home that I became hell-bent that NO MAN, ever again, would control or criticize me.  The only men who would be in a relationship with me were needy geeks who were so desperate for "love" and sex that they would put up with my behavior and accept my past.  It took me nearly 50 years and two brief, failed marriages to see the light and to begin, with God's help, to change my ways.  Now I am middle-aged, alone, and working on my issues.  I went through a period of rage toward my mother for staying and not protecting us from this abuse, but now I realize that she had major abandonment issues and that she would rather risk our safety and self-esteem than to stand up against Dad and bear the aftermath of that.  My brother has suffered as well.  He is on his third marriage, but he has had counseling and has channelled his rage into serving as an activist for the downtrodden.  I am sad that I have missed out on any sort of a normal family life, including having children of my own, but I realize that I would have messed them up as badly as my father messed me up.  So I guess that was really a blessing in disguise.  Grant, this could be your own childrens' story 40 years down the road.  Is this what you want for them?  Change your ways NOW, while there is still time.
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:52 am PST

I only wish I didn't understand this post so well.

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 I only caught a few minutes of the first show, and don't even know if I'll be able to watch tomorrow, but just had to post a few lines about this. 

I don't know if this is Kelly's case, but in my own experience I have come to realize that a spouse who demands things be a certain way will never, EVER be satisfied, no matter what a wife/husband does to appease them.  For years with my own husband, it really didn't matter if the house was spotless, our three children completely bathed, clothed and fed, the lawn taken care of, his lunch and clothes laid out ready for his job- he would find SOMETHING that wasn't right.  His socks wouldn't fit right.  There would be one single vegetable in an entire stir-fry that tasted too "acidic" (no joke).   My mother would call at some point during the day, and he didn't want me to be talking on the phone, no matter how many phone calls he himself made.  Not to mention the little disappointed sighs that were a constant reminder of what a disappointment you are as a wife, mother and just general human being.  It reaches the point where you actually dread seeing their vehicle pull into the driveway at the end of the day.  That is a sad existence.   

What I'm trying to say is that I suspect this isn't just about keeping a clean home.  It is about control on the husband's part.   It almost makes them feel empowered because they are so much BETTER than you. 

What these husbands fail to understand is the more they harp and moan and slam we  wives, the less we accomplish, in short, because we feel like crap. 

Even with what I am going to say, I really admire chdsgrl.  It seems she has her life going in a positive direction, has everything under control, really has it 'all together'.  But I wonder if her husband has ever made sure to find something wrong with her routine.  Commented that the chicken nuggets tasted funny, then the next night the pork, the next night the spaghetti.... .  I wonder if he has ever complained that his socks weren't folded correctly, his t-shirts weren't laying in a certain position. That the dishes, though all washed- by hand, no dishwasher- even while taking care of three little ones, were left to air-dry, and weren't completely wiped and put away after each meal (during the washing of which he would be in another area of the house hollering every few minutes "Aren't you done YET?"), etc, etc.  Just little things that slowly chip away at one's self-confidence.  I wonder if she has ever caught him late at night watching a porno, when he didn't have time to be with her in days (a whole different story!), and hadn't taken her out for a "date" in almost two and half years.   Discouragement doesn't make routines very easy.  What I'm trying to say is that it seems as if chdsgrl comes from a home where she is made to feel special and appreciated and validated in every way, and that, in turn, gives her the strength to organize and plan and joyfully run a well-managed home. 

When a woman is never encouraged, never made to feel as if she is good enough, and is constantly informed of her failings,  she will slowly but surely fade away into just a shell of a person. 

I don't know if any of this makes sense.  Aww, man.  I just hope everything works out okay for Kelly and her little ones.  They deserve to be happy.   And I pray that her husband will learn to appreciate even having a woman who cares for him and desires to share her life with him.   Just a little love, understanding and encouragement can open a whole new world for them.
My husband is not nearly so extreme as the poster's was.  But I feel all the same emotions.
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:52 am PST

Wow!

Quote From: jim1970

Seeing a woman who looks that good live in that much misery makes me happy because behind every good-looking woman who is miserable is that nice guy whose heart she broke years before. 

  

HOW MANY GOOD GUYS DID SHE STEP OVER TO GET TO THIS WINNER? 

  

She made her bed.  Now, she has to lie in it. 

  

Let that be a lesson to you girls.  Marry the nice guy and not THAT. 

Wow, Jim1970, someone stepped on you good.  It doesn't always happen like that you know.  Sometimes a woman marries someone like that because she has been stepped on her whole life and made to feel like she deserves nothing better, no matter what she looks like.  They bypass the "nice guys" because they don't feel like they deserve them because they have been taught or told that they will never amount to anything or that they don't deserve anything or because they have been abused in some way, mentally, emotionally, physically, sexually and it strips them of any worth they may have once had or felt.  If a man treats you like garbage, you don't have to take it.  What are you teaching your children?  That it is ok to perpetuate it into future generations?  That this behavior, whatever it is, is fine for your daughter or son and theirs and so on?  It can end with you.
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:54 am PST

Something that's woked for us

My husband and I have been married for 5 yrs and have two small children. We are still new at it all but I think, at least for us, we have figured out how to be happy in our marrigae. We meet half way. We aren't perfect but we really try hard to make each other happy. It isn't always easy but is 100% worth it. My husband is very particular also. He likes things done very efficantly. He also knows if he doen't like the way I do it he is more then welcome to do it himself. However I do what I can to make him happy. There is a lot of effort put in to what I do for him. Most of the time things are a mess including me when he gets home from work. Although I know he would love to have everything in it's place and dinner hot and ready sometimes that's not possible. On the days that doesn't happen there isn't one word of complaint. He just steps up...takes the kids. He allows me to get laundry put away, finish dinner or on really bad days finally shower. He is an amazing man that I don't deserve but togther we are a pretty good team, not the best but pretty darn good. He's efforts in my behalf and mine is his make our home a really great place to be.
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:55 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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to Grant:  In my dictionary next to Male Chauvinist - my gosh there is YOUR picture!  And here it is again - next to "clueless" and "insensitive" and "self-centered", "selfish", "boorish" - it's all over the place!  I've left better men than you when the relationship got too controlling or expectations got too weird, and they couldn't hold a candle to how you are controlling Kelly - you are the epitome of controlling.  In fact, you are abusive.  WHile I do agree kids benefit from an example of cleanliness and order...how do they benefit from a house run in a military, unrealistic fashion??  And a mom who is nervous, stressed out, unhappy?  You are raising future anorexics!  at the very least those kids will have ulcers from the stress of your ridiculous, ludicrous, insane expectations.   Looking at you and knowing what you expect of Kelly in the looks and wardrobe arena...get a MIRROR buddy!  In my opinion you are hopeless.  Dr. Phil is good at what he does but I don't think even HE can make you bearable. I would like to visit your past to see just where in the hell your wiring got so screwed up.  ...and by the way, Mr. Perfect -- it's "when the credits ROLL" ...not role.  Work on that....you get a D-.  I think men should be good spellers...it's on my list. 

  

To Kelly:  HOOOOOOOOOONEY!  For cryin' out loud girl!  RUN!  If you can't do it for YOU then please do it for your KIDS for God's SAKE! 

AMEN!!!!!!!!!
 
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February 22, 2006, 10:55 am PST

Why? That's what wives are for!

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Grant, 

  

I agree with Dr. Phil that you are pretty likeable. It's sad that you are taking the enjoyment out of your life (and your wife's and kids') persisting in such a rigid attitude. 

  

What you wrote above made me think that maybe you are afraid....afraid that if one thing goes wrong, everything will go downhill. Maybe you need to trust in yourself that all these things can go wrong and you will be able to handle it and think of strategies to overcome problems. Most things can't be warded off by a clean house; kids need routine, but the routine you describe is more dysfunctional than not. 

  

Anyway....I haven't taken several hours to see if someone else suggested this, but: why not hire a housekeeper? why make your wife do it? Hire someone whose work you like better and love her for the things you can love her for. I know Amy said she signed on to that job and ought to see it through. But maybe this job, as its now defined ,is not right for her. It doesn't make her less of a person. In no other American regime do we tell people you can't change a job if you either aren't good at it or don't like it.  

  

I once had a job delivering pizza and I can say I have never been so lost and people in town never had so much cold pizza! I quit and one of my teachers said "you can't anywhere by quitting...let's see where you end up." Well, I'm a very successful lawyer in an office with a great view.....sometimes you get to exactly where you should be by pulling the plug on something that is just not working. 

  

You probably earn enough money; maybe she can go out and work (for a more compassionate boss) and someone else can clean the toilets. Does it really matter? Life is too short and you guys are way too cute to be doing this! 

  

If you let go a little, it will still work out ok...really. 

Why hire a housekeeper when that's what a wife is for?  That's one of their three jobs, cooking is the second.  As for the third.... 

 
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