Quote From: pandywanYou talk about the 1950s, you really sound as if you idealize them. What I see, is that you are neglecting to look at the realities of the 1950s, people then, just like people today, had problems and addictions, joys and triumphs. The thing is, the people were children in the 1950s, grew up and changed what they were taught for a reason, they felt stifled, overcontrolled, and pushed into being something they were not.
But really, none of the crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop out rates, gang violence etc, has anything to do with how you treat your wife and how you raise your children. However, how you treat your wife, and raise your children Does affect all of the concerns you listed, by the simple fact that if you treat your family with respect, love and consideration to their needs, wants and feelings, they will go on to treat others the same way, and eventually their children will learn to treat others thus as well. However, if you treat your wife badly by ignoring her needs, demanding unreasonable things, and dictating to her how she should be, then your children will see that, and go on to inflict their own form of it on their spouse and children.
Think about the 1950s really, public image was everything, women were expected to be virtual slaves, and they were expected to enjoy it, there is a reason that this mode of thinking is outdated. Women arent slaves, they are just as deserving of respect and love and consideration as a man is, it is this thinking that women must stay at home, tend babies and slave in the house that people like my mother tried to get away from.
I do agree with you that societies problems today are due to parents not taking responsibility for their children, or teaching them basic respect and consideration for others. However, what you are teaching your children with your unreasonable demands of their mother, is to disrespect, and to be disrespected by others.
My mother in law grew up in the 50s, she learned that a perfect outer image was more important that a happy, stable, imperfect outer image. As a result, both of her children grew up abused, neglected, and emotionally crippled because my mother in law could not understand that the perfect outer image she was working so hard to maintain, left her children with an emotionally bankrupt mother who took all of her frustrations out on her family. The 50s werent the bastion of a healthy society you believe them to be, people then are the same as they were now, just the problems were not as advertised then as they are today.
I have two children, my eldest is an A and B student, extremely respectful and courteous to others, and knows that people treat you how you let them, and how you treat them. Is my home spotless? no, it is clean, it is comfortable, and my husband and myself share the household chores equally, because we both know how it is to grow up in a home with a person who places such importance on public image. I take the time i could be making the dishes perfectly organised and straight, and i use it to play with my children, because i know what makes a difference to them, a happy mother, a happy father, and time managed properly so that they are not neglected in favor of a chore that really isnt necessary. My husband knows that i am deserving of respect, and he behaves accordingly, in return he recieves respect, love and everything i can do to make his life easier.
If what i am reading from your post is correct, you are allowing a vision of what you wish life to be like, to interfere with what life is like with your wife. You cannot make your life mimic what someone elses life looks like from the outside, and you cannot (as you have found out, or you would not be coming to Dr. Phil) make your family mimic the outer images you see of others lives.
Your wife and family are more important than that ideal outer image you want to have, your home is a safe haven from the world, not a showcase, and your wife is a person with feelings, thoughts, and needs that do not always match your own.
this statement:
"So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence."
what are you teaching your children by treating their mother this way? Apply your logical mind, and see through the eyes of a child, who takes everything literally, what are they seeing?
How would you react if your daughter were being subjected to this behavior?
My sympathies to you both, I hope you find peace and manage to repair your relationship.
I couldn't agree more with what pandywan said. I've been married for 22 years and have three kids. I really feel for Kelly and wish her a lot of strength to get through this. I think Grant is being extremely disrespectful, arrogant and ignorant. He needs to realize what is truly important in life. He needs to remember why he got married in the first place and remember that his wife is an individual who deserves respect. If he continues this path, over time the relationship will probably dissolve into resentment and Kelly will probably draw herself further from Grant. I understand that she feels it is important to try to please Grant, but at what expense. If you lose yourself in the process and teach your children to continue that disrespect, what is gained?