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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 9:21 am PST

Not ready for reality

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I wasn't sure how to react to your post when I read it the other day. You lay out a very detailed analysis and description of what goes on behind the scenes of filming and preparing something for television or cinema. I could only think of two reasons for doing so. 

  

Do you honestly believe that your explanation of Hollywood was a shocking surprise to me, or that you were providing the missing pieces of reality that I have been unknowingly looking for? I hate to disappoint you. Star Trek is science fiction, Desperate Housewives is a very fun prime-time soap opera that airs Sunday nights, and 24, with my man Jack Bauer, is a slightly exaggerated re-enactment of real life events, and Grissom doesn't really get the DNA results back from the lab in time to solve the case before the credits role. 

  

The other possibility is that you were taking a sarcastic jab at me, trying to do so with a little flair by trying to talk down at me. My ideas are not original; they come from hearing what other REAL LIFE people have told me about their relationships and division of household labor. It might really rock your world to learn that one of these people is my wife Kelly. After the show aired in October, a number of people shared with me that they were facing similar differences in their marriages. Some people are ok with settling for just living with it; the strife, increasing arguing and hurt feelings, but I wanted to do something about it. Taking all this to Dr. Phil was a choice I made, infrequently questioned, but haven't regretted. Let me go on a tangent for just a minute, but I think the crisis of society is partly due to the absence of the personal accountability and responsibility. In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble. We had a hospital in town shut down a few years ago because people were not paying their bills for treatment they had received. There is another hospital up the street facing similar problems. So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence. I lived in Springfield, Mass. for several months where I witnessed generations of welfare dependant families living in government subsidized housing. I made a list of what I wife ought to be familiar with, because I thought those things were important. I have a similar list of things for husbands. Problems occur when fathers, mothers, wives and husbands aren't held accountable for their responsibilities. I don't think keeping a clean house, tending to kids, mending what needs to be mended, cooking dinner and having it ready for the family to sit down for together are wildly outside the realm of the expected. Frankly, I am a little concerned by your apparent thinking that it is unreasonable to expect these things.  

  

  

I provided Dr Phil a list of things that I thought a stay at home wife ought to be familiar with. I never discussed perfection or any degree of competency with these listed items - they were just general knowledge. There are libraries of books written to contain the stuff women think their male counterparts ought to know about themselves. From your post it sounds like 75 is too much for you to handle on your own and would need back up to get the rest done - what is your number? What do you feel responsible for being aware of in your role in you present relationship? Lists aren't inherently evil or bad - it is one way of putting information down so it can be shared and discussed. 

Grant, you write exceptionally well.  I might be happy as your employer, but never as your spouse. 

  

I am a lawyer, a homemaker, and a demanding/critical perfectionist.  It is the greatest struggle of my life to accept that I married a person who cannot, will not, and doesn't want to live in the precise world I desire.  On bad days, I stay in my marriage only because I will not take their father away from my children. 

  

That said, I think you need a big block of time with your kids.  The only constant in daily life with children is the interruptions.  Fathers such as Captain von Trapp (of  "The Sound of Music"), who think military-style discipline works for family life, are portrayed as comic figures because people who know kids, know how unsuccessful that approach is.  If you really fear that you may fail as a parent (that's what I hear), you will do well to learn how children work.  They are more likely to become better citiizens if they know their mother puts their needs first. 

  

I also think that some of your considerable energy could be spent doing housework, Babe. 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:23 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

I think the lady who defended Grant on the show should have to cook for Grant everyday for 1 week and get her meals graded by him everyday.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:24 am PST

Disrespect

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You talk about the 1950s, you really sound as if you idealize them. What I see, is that you are neglecting to look at the realities of the 1950s, people then, just like people today, had problems and addictions, joys and triumphs. The thing is, the people were children in the 1950s, grew up and changed what they were taught for a reason, they felt stifled, overcontrolled, and pushed into being something they were not. 

  

But really, none of the crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop out rates, gang violence etc, has anything to do with how you treat your wife and how you raise your children. However, how you treat your wife, and raise your children Does affect all of the concerns you listed, by the simple fact that if you treat your family with respect, love and consideration to their needs, wants and feelings, they will go on to treat others the same way, and eventually their children will learn to treat others thus as well. However, if you treat your wife badly by ignoring her needs, demanding unreasonable things, and dictating to her how she should be, then your children will see that, and go on to inflict their own form of it on their spouse and children. 

  

Think about the 1950s really, public image was everything, women were expected to be virtual slaves, and they were expected to enjoy it, there is a reason that this mode of thinking is outdated. Women arent slaves, they are just as deserving of respect and love and consideration as a man is, it is this thinking that women must stay at home, tend babies and slave in the house that people like my mother tried to get away from.  

  

I do agree with you that societies problems today are due to parents not taking responsibility for their children, or teaching them basic respect and consideration for others. However, what you are teaching your children with your unreasonable demands of their mother, is to disrespect, and to be disrespected by others.  

  

My mother in law grew up in the 50s, she learned that a perfect outer image was more important that a happy, stable, imperfect outer image. As a result, both of her children grew up abused, neglected, and emotionally crippled because my mother in law could not understand that the perfect outer image she was working so hard to maintain, left her children with an emotionally bankrupt mother who took all of her frustrations out on her family. The 50s werent the bastion of a healthy society you believe them to be, people then are the same as they were now, just the problems were not as advertised then as they are today. 

  

I have two children, my eldest is an A and B student, extremely respectful and courteous to others, and knows that people treat you how you let them, and how you treat them. Is my home spotless? no, it is clean, it is comfortable, and my husband and myself share the household chores equally, because we both know how it is to grow up in a home with a person who places such importance on public image. I take the time i could be making the dishes perfectly organised and straight, and i use it to play with my children, because i know what makes a difference to them, a happy mother, a happy father, and time managed properly so that they are not neglected in favor of a chore that really isnt necessary. My husband knows that i am deserving of respect, and he behaves accordingly, in return he recieves respect, love and everything i can do to make his life easier. 

  

If what i am reading from your post is correct, you are allowing a vision of what you wish life to be like, to interfere with what life is like with your wife. You cannot make your life mimic what someone elses life looks like from the outside, and you cannot (as you have found out, or you would not be coming to Dr. Phil) make your family mimic the outer images you see of others lives. 

  

Your wife and family are more important than that ideal outer image you want to have, your home is a safe haven from the world, not a showcase, and your wife is a person with feelings, thoughts, and needs that do not always match your own.  

  

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"So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence." 

  

what are you teaching your children by treating their mother this way? Apply your logical mind, and see through the eyes of a child, who takes everything literally, what are they seeing?  

  

How would you react if your daughter were being subjected to this behavior? 

  

My sympathies to you both, I hope you find peace and manage to repair your relationship. 

I couldn't agree more with what pandywan said.  I've been married for 22 years and have three kids.  I really feel for Kelly and wish her a lot of strength to get through this.  I think Grant is being extremely disrespectful, arrogant and ignorant.  He needs to realize what is truly important in life.  He needs to remember why he got married in the first place and remember that his wife is an individual who deserves respect.  If he continues this path, over time the relationship will probably dissolve into resentment and Kelly will probably draw herself further from Grant.  I understand that she feels it is important to try to please Grant, but at what expense.  If you lose yourself in the process and teach your children to continue that disrespect, what is gained? 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:24 am PST

Grant

 This is the first time i have ever done anything like this but Grant is so out of line with the way he thinks of his wife i just had to say something. First of all he is being unrealistic and expects to much of his wife. Secondly when he had the children and did the work on his last appearance he was so frustrated he couldn't do it so why expect it of his wife? And life is way to short to be acting the way he does . through being married for 40 years there ae more important things in life then the dishwasher being stacked properly or the laundry folded just right. He needs to focus more on enjoying his wife and children then all these petty things. 

thank you for listening and i do watch your show every day Dr Phil except when i have a doctors appointment 

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:25 am PST

you've got to be kidding me Gant!

On that list of 75, you actually expect your wife to have time to get dance lessons so you can have FUN! Question- Do you know how to dance? With all the critical things your wife has to do for you, when will she have time to learn new things. I actually feel sorry for you Grant. You don't know what a good life is.your wife seems to be sweet and would like to please you. Why not just embrace her for who she is. Take this challenge Grant, Look at your wife as if you are seeing her for the first time.As if you are truly in love with her. (don't think of the things that haven't been done today) just soak up all the beauty and love for her. Like nothing else matters.  

Instead of being critical about things around the house, why not help out after the kids are settled in for the night go in and help her put the dishes away. Rub her back ask her if there is anything you can do for her.I promise you that if she feels loved and part of the relationship she would do the same for you. And your life will run smoother than what is going on now. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:25 am PST

Here's an idea.....

I say Dr. Phil should hook up Grant with Kristine (from Monday's show about bitchiness) for about a week.  THEN air a show to ask Grant how THAT week went and see if he is smiling!!  HA   Now THAT would be a show I wouldn't want to miss!!  
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:25 am PST

Perfect wife

Hi Dr. Phil I belive that there is on such thing as a perfect wife.  if any man thing he find a perfect wife he is crazy.  when a man get marry is an 50/50 relationship.  I was married for 11 years and i stay home and help raised own daugther even if the wife are not. 

  

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On Wifestyles :  Grant need to very happy the his wife is doing the thing she doing because some woman who are married will not take that. 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:26 am PST

Message for Kelly

 Kelly,
I am the woman that runs the woe board. You signed up with us but have not posted, and as of today there is a new membership policy for security reasons that you'll need a password to get into discussion forums. This password should be known only to you. You can contact me if you wish to stay a member  through my email at : virgolady5153@yahoo.com

You are a beautiful young woman, and it looks like a wonderful mom. I think you are doing a great job despite not feeling good about yourself. Know that this is NOT ABOUT YOU. I had to come to that realization a long time ago. You are in my thoughts and prayers, and we are there for you at woe if you need our support.  If not, I wish you the best and please do believe in yourself and know that all things happen for a reason. We don't always know why at the time but it is always revealed to us later.
 
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February 21, 2006, 9:26 am PST

Grant needs to join the military if he wants to control people

In my opinion, Grant is acting like a drill sargeant.  If he wants everything perfect then he should join the military, become a drill sargeant then he can boss people around for a living.    

I too agree he should switch places with his wife for a week and see exactly what she does every single day 24/7.   

The fact that he refuses to wear his wedding ring is not only insulting,  I believe he's making a mockery of his wedding vows.  He accepted that ring from his wife as a sign of her love and affection.  A wedding band signifies a circle of neverending love.   If he's not wearing it, then he obviously doesn't love her, and is not true to the promise he made on their wedding day.  It's been a long time since the word "OBEY" was part of a wedding ceremony as far as I know.  Perhaps he wants to send the message that he's available by not wearing his band.  Saying he's not ready to wear it yet, tells me he's not ready to accept the responsibilty of being married.  How did he "lose" the first one? 

Obviously this man has a lot of growing up to do.  I think Kelly should show him the door, change the locks and find someone who will worship her for the woman and mother she truly is and not have to be abused verbally by a   task master. 

I think GRant has verbally abused Kelly to the point that her self esteem has been severely damaged.  Aslong as she rerains  with him, she's just going to be subject to the same abuse that she has been accepting for the past 7 years.  One last thing, Did she know that he was like this before she married him ? 

 
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February 21, 2006, 9:27 am PST

My House

I am admittedly not much of a housekeeper.  But, like I have told my mother in law many times, it doesn't matter what the house looks like as long as I have a good relationship with my husband. So when he asks me to play golf with him on a Saturday I'm not going to turn him done to stay home and clean.  If he needs to talk to me I will drop what I'm doing and listen and the reward for this is that he truly confides in me about everything in his life. 

We have a newborn and I had a C-section at the last minute. I was in the hospital for 2 days and he never left my side.  He helped me get to the bathroom and the shower he bought me flowers and candy. 

So if you don't want to visit my dirty house stay home!!!!!!!!! 

  

 
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