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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 23, 2006, 11:01 am PST

Places and degrees of Roles

Seems to me this man has no emotions.  It is awlful to live with out them.  I did for 24 yrs. to my first husband. 

I do think though that when Men knew what Role they had they were happier.  Women & kids, too.  Too many single moms are using their kids for their own mental support,,,that's another show I am sure. 

Families are falling apart as the divorce rate raises and continues on in the U.S.   

As Families fall apart so does our way of life,,,things are getting too crazy and too out of control. 

Everyone is stressed out and many on meds. to deal. 

I stay at home and take care of the HOME.  I do so many things there is no one title for what I do.  My last two kids at home are in High School.  I love my home.  We are not rich, pinching pennies, but have made it into a nice place to come home to.   

Women have come a long way,,,,who allowed the rule of thumb??( A man could hit his wife with a rod no bigger than his thumb!)  Don't lose what makes it wonderful to be a woman.  I love having a door opened for me.  I love being taken care of by a loving man.  I love taking care of my family. 

I don't care if it's a man or a woman, but someone needs to take care of  the home.   Make a place into a home, a safe place for the family.  Someone who will have the time to support the children in their activities and keep them safe.  Someone needs to keep the home safe and by that keeps their neighborhood safe because they are THERE. Do wish we could look back in time and see what worked and Bring it back. 

As far as this man goes,,,maybe it's too late for him.  Can't teach common sense or give 'it' to someone who just doesn't get 'it'.  

Love that Dr. Phil is helping so many get their acts together.  Man, can't believe so many can be so silly,,,get a grip and count thy blessings : ) 

 
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February 23, 2006, 11:02 am PST

personal choices

This is what I would say to my husband about that: 

  

It is a personal choice for you not to wear your wedding ring.  And it is a personal choice for me not to cook dinner for you, at all. 

 
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February 23, 2006, 11:05 am PST

Rings

Quote From: ramair

So, a man doesn't wear a wedding ring? It's none of Dr Phil's business. A lot of men don't wear their wedding rings because doing so would be dangerous on the job. A man could be electrocuted. Or lose his finger. My husband works in the tool and die department. And, he works on his cars in his spare time. I gave him a ring but asked him not to wear it. He's already missing part of his thumb. He caught it in a motorcycle chain. A ring isn't going to make a man faithful, anyway. 

Grant  not wearing the ring has nothing to do with safety.  It's a manipulation on his part.  He is exerting pressure on Kelly to conform to his exacting standards.  And you're right, a ring doesn't prevent a spouce from cheating.  He's just hurting her with any weapon at his disposal.  He is childish, mean, critical and punitive.  There but for the Grace of God go I...
 
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February 23, 2006, 11:07 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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Yeah, but that's not Grant's reason.  His reason is wearing the ring means he's conceding to his wife being perfect.  WTF?  That's not ok!  My husband doesn't wear his ring either, but for reasons that have nothing to do with the state of our marriage.  Apples and oranges.

I don't see Grant's wearing his wedding ring as a concession that his wife id perfect. But, rather as a pretense that he's happy when he really isn't. There's no sense in pretending to be happy when he isn't. Especially if resentment is festering beneath the surface. Only to erupt later. Better to honestly admit to unhappiness and work it out than to bury it and let it fester. Maybe Grant doesn't feel free to discuss his feelings. And, theredfore, shows them by not wearing his wedding ring. 

 
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February 23, 2006, 11:08 am PST

What's really important?

I am 31 years old, have two children 6 and 2, a full time job, and am also married to an engineer who is also a “recovering neat freak”.  Although he is not nearly as extreme as Grant (sorry Grant, you are extreme, if you weren’t, you would not have made it to day time TV). I really identified with this show and Kelly and her feelings.  I have AD/HD so let me tell you, the perfect, organized house and dinner on the table, not gonna happen, even if I didn’t have the full time job.  My husband grew up in an immaculate house hold with the perfect dinners served promptly at 5:30 every night.  He would like that too but the catch is, he purposely sought out a mate that was not like his mother.  She is a control freak, everything must be perfect, everything is either perfect or its ruined.  My husband felt tremendous anxiety as a child if he so much as spilled a glass of milk or if the pillows on the couch had been “disturbed”.  He knew he did not want to live that way and didn’t want his children to live that way.  Yet when we got married (especially after the kids) he often became irritated with mess, chaos, things not being exactly where they should be.  We have had a lot of the same fights, on a smaller scale but had the same impact on me as it does on Kelly.  I felt like I was inadequate, I couldn’t do anything right, I was a failure, I just needed to try harder.  Then it occurred to me.  No matter how consitently I tried to keep up with household duties there were always more but I was loosing time with my children.  I kept thinking I would play with them, read to them, later.  Well if later is after the chores are done, later will never come.  Somehow my husband realized that being frustrated over these things did nothing but upset him and alienate me.  He has let it go and we are happier for it.  Hear that Grant?  If you let it go you will be happier.  We all don't need to vilify Grant.  He is not evil, he has issues, everyone has issues.  God knows I have plenty.   But I always think of it this way, when I am 100 years old, or when I am on my death bed, am I going to wish I had kept my house cleaner, cooked better food, looked prettier or am I going to wish I had more loving relationships with my family, had spent more time with my kids, had more fun?  Think about it. 

 

But I do have to make a comment about the 1950's and homes with the perfect stay at home moms raise children who are less likely to get in trouble, be delinquent, have drug problems, teenage pregnancy.  Come on Grant, you are a smart guy, you know that a change in an statistic from 1950 to 2006 can be attributed to any number of things that have changed in the last 56 years.  The fact that more and more women are in the work force is only one of about a million factors.  And secondly Grant, its not really about the kids is it?  I mean, when you see a mess, can't get the pantry door open or can't find the can opener and start to get that feeling you aren't thinking about your kids.  Its about how you feel, how these things make you uncomfortable, right?     

 

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February 23, 2006, 11:11 am PST

Grant is more interested in having...

 ...a wife who is a showhorse rather than the plowhorse he got. That's a crude analogy, but when things are going bad for him it's that plowhorse of a wife who will hold him up. I wonder if he's one of those men who saw their mothers getting everything done and therefore his wife should be able to do that too. I'll be those mothers DIDN'T get everything done, only the really important things, and let the rest slide. If his mom is still alive, she needs to clue him in. However, since the way to a man's heart is thru his stomach, perhaps the one thing his wife could do is work on the cooking skills to make that one step for him. But taking care of the kids before taking care of his house and kitchen is the right step for her to take. If and/or when he finally dumps her, which I think he's going to do, she'll have her and her kids in the right place. He might keep in mind that now that he's shown he's so picky on national TV, he may find it hard to find another wife, or any wife.

As for the woman in the audience who sided with him? Does the concept of renegotiation not register as a possibility with her? Things can always be renegotiated. To see her nodding her head yes, to the wife's straightening out the CD's and learning to dance was just too much.
 
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February 23, 2006, 11:24 am PST

The Good Housewife

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So here are my updates to the 1955 good housewife list. some of my views might bug people and that's ok, but not everything here was bad. Think about it as you read through things. I can tell you from experience that a lot of these things really do make your husband look forward to coming home every night. They also help you look forward to him getting there. And on the days when you are sick and not up to the task if you try to follow these things most of the time, he will probably even feed and bathe the kids and put them and you to bed. Call me old fashioned.  

  

- Have dinner ready.  Plan ahead, even the night before to have a delicious meal ready, on time for his return.  This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs.  Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal (especially his favorite dish) is part of the warm welcome needed.  

Isn't this what a housewife does most night?   2006 

   

- Prepare yourself.  Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives.  Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking.  He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.    

 If you want a kiss when he gets home then don't have a dirty diaper in one hand and maple syrup from breakfast on your cheek.  2006 

  

- Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him.  His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.  

In other words don't start complaining about your day the second he walks in the door  2006 

  

- Clear away the clutter.  Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives. 

OK this one can probably go, but if that's how you 2 like your house then go for it! 2006 

   

- Gather up school boxes, toys, paper, etc. and then run a dust cloth over the tables. 

Skip the dust cloth, but it shouldn't be like walking through a landmine to be able to sit down and watch the news  2006 

   

- Over the cooler months prepare a light fire for him to unwind by.  Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too.  After all, catering for his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction.   

BLAH BLAH BLAH - how many of us even have a fireplace? 2006 

   

- Prepare the children.  Take a moment to wash the children's' hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes.   They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.  Minimize all noise.  At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum.  Try to encourage the children to be quiet.   

Or once Dad is settled they can run up and jump in his lap (assuming they aren't coated in mud) 2006 

   

- Be happy to see him.  

Uh yeah, if you want him to be happy to come home! 2006 

   

- Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him.    

Wouldn't you want the same? 2006 

   

- Listen to him.  You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time.  Let him talk first - remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours.   

His topics are not more important than yours, but give each other 15 - 20 minutes to just vent without trying to fix things for each other. Both of you deserve a chance to just be listened to. When you are doing this the kids need to leave you alone and play for a while 2006 

   

- Make the evening his.  Never complain if he comes home late or goes to dinner or other places of entertainment without you.  Instead try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his very real need to be at home and relax.    

Make the evenings for the 2 of you. If you have kids this will usually include them to, some nights it may not. Sometimes you both might have other commitments to tend to. Remember you both have different pressures each day and you both deserve to relax together. 2006 

   

- Your goal: Try to make sure your home is a place of peace, order, and tranquility where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit.    

I think it's a good goal for the whole families benefit, of course not just his 2006 

   

- Don't greet him with complaints and problems.  

Common Sense 2006 

   

- Don't complain if he's late home for dinner or even if he stays out all night (????? - what?)  Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through that day.  

He has no need to stay out all night. Let him know, without yelling, that it would be nice to get a call if he will be home later than usual so you don't worry unnecessarily (common courtesy) 2006 

   

- Make him comfortable.  Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or have him lie down in the bedroom.  Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.    

He'll return the favor, try it a few times you'll see. 2006 

   

- Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes.  Speak in a low, soothing voice.  

Only take off his shoes if his feet don't stink. If his feet stink have a clean pair of socks there for him along with something to soak his feet in (just kidding) 2006 

   

- Don't ask him questions about his actions or judgment or integrity.  Remember, he is master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness.  You have no right to question him.    

Flush this one 2006 

   

- A good wife always knows her place.    

As does a good husband. Both walk side by side leading the way together for their family. 2006  

You are sooo cool and SO right!  I loved your responses.  I guess my point in putting this out there is that the more things change the more they stay the same.  And, oh by the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the suggestions above as long as there is mutual respect, caring, understanding and agreement.  (I just didn't like that one thing about the guy staying out all night and don't question him.)  BTW, I worked for three and a half years while my husband stayed home.  I wish he had done some of the above for me.  Oh well.  Still, I loved your responses!  I love your sense of humor!
 
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February 23, 2006, 11:32 am PST

don't assume anything about my life

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Amy has no idea how it feels when you are broken.  When your husband has hurt you so much with his negative words and judgement.  You shut down and you do all you can to make it through each day hoping that you got it right this time!  The more negative he is the less motivated you are.  It hurts alot!  I didn't feel like doing anything, it took all my energy to just clean the kitchen sometimes. Its like the life is taken out of you when your husband isn't behind you, supportive and proud to be your husband.  As soon as my husband started to treat me like he loves me instead of judging everthing I did, I was very motivated to do everything.  I finally felt accepted and loved!   

When we were first married my house was perfect.  Clean all the time.  I would get home from work go on a run, make dinner and clean the house!  I would get so many compliments from people that would come over, but that still wasn't clean enough for my husband!  Then we had kids, enough said! 

I think that organizing and all that is great, but we talking about someones spirit being broken!!! 

I do know what it is like to be absolutely broken.  Don't assume that I have had a cake walk.  Grant is a pussy cat compared to the way my relationship was with my husband.  But you choose to be a victim.  You choose the role that you will play in your relationships.  I neglected my responsabilities of being a wife and a mother because I resented my family for the choice I made to be a stay at home mom.  When I got over myself and the belief that I was the complete center of the world and put my priorities straight.  My marriage changed.  You can't sit around and wallow in self-pity.  Grow up, stop your whining and do something about the life you choose.
 
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February 23, 2006, 11:35 am PST

Bottom line perspective

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Are the only real changes you've made so far that a) you don't say what you think as often and b) you're lightening up on Kelly by staying away from her through your hobbies in the hope that she'll do better if you aren't harping at her?    

  

If this is correct, aren't these changes better than the way things before. From a "What is the net result, bottom line" perspective, isn't this an improvement? 

Well, Grant, doesn't the answer depend upon a) what net result you're trying to attain and b) what the bottom line is?  Better is a relative term - better than what for whom?   Does it dawn on you that you are trying to force a solution on a problem that you don't understand the scope of?   

 
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February 23, 2006, 11:35 am PST

Marriage adjustment

I think people should get a new view of their marriages.  Marriage should be 100%/100%.  There are not certain things men are responsible for and certain things women are responsible for.  (except bearing children!)  My husband and I each take responsiblity for the household chores and outdoor duties (where I'm able).  Now, he knows that I am not that physically able to chop wood - so he usually does that.  Not once has he complained about washing dishes, cleaning bathrooms, giving kids baths, etc.  On the other side of that, I cut grass when needed, trim bushes, etc.   

My husband kept my first 2 children until my 2nd one was 2 years old.  He took them to work with him.  They developed such a loving relationship with their daddy.  We just had our 3rd child a month ago and while he's not able to take them to work with him anymore, he takes a huge responsibility over the children when he's home.  He changes diapers, gives baths, does ponytails, and many more things.   

It makes me sad to watch the Dr. Phil show and see so many unhappy marriages.  I have the best husband in the world and wish that everyone could be that happy.  He is a great example to ALL men of how to be a GREAT HUSBAND!!!! 

 
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