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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 10:20 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I wasn't sure how to react to your post when I read it the other day. You lay out a very detailed analysis and description of what goes on behind the scenes of filming and preparing something for television or cinema. I could only think of two reasons for doing so. 

  

Do you honestly believe that your explanation of Hollywood was a shocking surprise to me, or that you were providing the missing pieces of reality that I have been unknowingly looking for? I hate to disappoint you. Star Trek is science fiction, Desperate Housewives is a very fun prime-time soap opera that airs Sunday nights, and 24, with my man Jack Bauer, is a slightly exaggerated re-enactment of real life events, and Grissom doesn't really get the DNA results back from the lab in time to solve the case before the credits role. 

  

The other possibility is that you were taking a sarcastic jab at me, trying to do so with a little flair by trying to talk down at me. My ideas are not original; they come from hearing what other REAL LIFE people have told me about their relationships and division of household labor. It might really rock your world to learn that one of these people is my wife Kelly. After the show aired in October, a number of people shared with me that they were facing similar differences in their marriages. Some people are ok with settling for just living with it; the strife, increasing arguing and hurt feelings, but I wanted to do something about it. Taking all this to Dr. Phil was a choice I made, infrequently questioned, but haven't regretted. Let me go on a tangent for just a minute, but I think the crisis of society is partly due to the absence of the personal accountability and responsibility. In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble. We had a hospital in town shut down a few years ago because people were not paying their bills for treatment they had received. There is another hospital up the street facing similar problems. So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence. I lived in Springfield, Mass. for several months where I witnessed generations of welfare dependant families living in government subsidized housing. I made a list of what I wife ought to be familiar with, because I thought those things were important. I have a similar list of things for husbands. Problems occur when fathers, mothers, wives and husbands aren't held accountable for their responsibilities. I don't think keeping a clean house, tending to kids, mending what needs to be mended, cooking dinner and having it ready for the family to sit down for together are wildly outside the realm of the expected. Frankly, I am a little concerned by your apparent thinking that it is unreasonable to expect these things.  

  

  

I provided Dr Phil a list of things that I thought a stay at home wife ought to be familiar with. I never discussed perfection or any degree of competency with these listed items - they were just general knowledge. There are libraries of books written to contain the stuff women think their male counterparts ought to know about themselves. From your post it sounds like 75 is too much for you to handle on your own and would need back up to get the rest done - what is your number? What do you feel responsible for being aware of in your role in you present relationship? Lists aren't inherently evil or bad - it is one way of putting information down so it can be shared and discussed. 

Grant!  

You need to lay off the books for a while.instead of reading the books and magazines find out what your wife's needs and wants are.Maybe she should make a list for you and what your responsibilities in this relationship is. AS FOR THE RING! Shame on you!!!! The "ring" is a symbol of a commitment you made with Kelly.....Till death do you part, for better or worse... You are not a man you are a coward. Hiding behind your wife's inperfections for your own. 

 

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February 21, 2006, 10:25 am PST

Kelly and Grant

Myself I dont understand where everyone see's that the woman was put on this earth to please men. I dont believe that a woman should be the only person to take care of a home. I think the responsibilities should be equal. I think Grant should spend a week in kelly's shoes and then see if he has the same attitude. 

  

And for all those weman who agree with Grant I feel real sorry for you. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:28 am PST

Gotta ask

 I watched today's show and I have to ask, What is their sex life like? He is so worried about keeping her busy during the day, there most likely is no special treats for him at the end of the day.  

  

 

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February 21, 2006, 10:35 am PST

Too much childhood TV

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I suspect that Grant is getting his expectations of what a family should be like, from movie and television dramas. Those wives on TV can make immaculate homes, why not his wife?

First of all, everything about a studio set is planned in advance. The director does not want anything there that distracts from telling the story -- the real purpose of the show. There will not be a pile of dirty laundry unless it sets the mood of the household or creates a necessary conflict in the script between characters. There will not be empty beer cans on the counter or cat hair on the carpet unless it tells you about the personality of a character.

Secondly, the people you see in the drama are not the ones who are keeping the carpet cleaned. That's done by late-night custodial staff, and by union set dressers in between takes. The clothes are washed or dry cleaned by the costume department.

Thirdly, the way the actors look, is not to their credit (well except for their bone structure and fitness). There is a whole department to do their hair and make up. And costumers follow them around to keep wrinkles out of the clothes and to brush off lint.

Fourthly, they have a SCRIPT. Nearly every word they say is planned in advance. They have a DIRECTOR who tells them where to stand, what frame of mind their character is in, and who critiques the manner in which they deliver their lines. And they get MULTIPLE TAKES.

So when you see the dishes pointing different ways in the dishwasher, you think "that's not what real life is like." But it IS. The dishes point the same way, ONLY IN COMMERCIALS. It's FAKE. Real life does consist of moderate chaos. Why are you insisting that your wife be FAKE? Perhaps you need more experience with what genuine people's lives are like without directors, costumers, and set dressers.

Besides, if you want your wife to do 75 different things, do you realize that you would need several different departments of housekeeping staff?

I think Grant watched too many reruns of "Father Knows Best" & "Leave it to Beaver."  He seems to be looking for June Cleaver.
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:36 am PST

Ahem... all engineers the same?

I probably wouldn't have posted on this topic but way back in the posts someone made the comment that all engineers are the same, and as a FEMALE engineer, I beg to differ. But on to my point... 

  

My husband and I both work full time right now and we don't have any children. We've been married about 2 1/2 years. Housework has always been a bit of an issue for us because neither of us care to do it much but we really enjoy having a clean house. Right now we pay to have a maid come a few times a year to do all of the heavy cleaning. All the the other cleaning and chores we work hard to do together, but because he tends to work more hours I would say I do a little more. I don't mind this arrangement at all. 

  

We talked about what we would like to do when we decide to have children. We both agree that we would like to have one of us stay at home, likely me. I believe that when I stay at home, managing the home will by "my job." Of course, it won't be perfect, but I believe it will be my job to take care of things around the house. It's a job I actually look forward to having. However, I think there is a big difference between a job that you go to everyday and bring a paycheck home for, and a job at home. For instance, no matter what kind of day or week my husband will be having, his paycheck will likely still come. It will be the same, and I can be there for him to help him work through tough times at work. If he is slacking off on a particular week, I will likely never know about it. However, the "paycheck" for being a stay at home mom won't come if you don't keep up with things. I really fear an employer/employee relationship with my spouse at that point. Having an employeer be critical of your work at an outside job is one thing, but having your husband unhappy with your performance at home is another. Luckily we have discussed it so I think we will be prepared to deal with this kind of a situation. I think that just because a wive/mother's job is to take care of the household, I don't think its fair for a husband to treat her like an employee. 

  

My two cents... 

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:36 am PST

Just don't get "it"

 Grant is like a computer.  He can download all the info from Dr. Phil's books but he just doesn't have the right processor to run the program.  He is doing and saying all the right things (at least on the show), but he wasn't feeling any of it. 
 
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February 21, 2006, 10:39 am PST

Just a suggestion

Dr. Phil:  Here is a suggestion for Grant and Kelly:   I would suggest that Grant spend one week at home being the "wife".  I would send Kelly away on a vacation and make him see what his expectations of her are really like.  He would need to complete his list of 75 items and take care of the children.   Upon Kelly's return have him tell her about his experience.  Maybe this would let him "see" how unreasonable his expectations of her are.   

  

I would also then have him select one item on his list and see if Kelly would be willing to concentrate on improving on it.   

  

Just a suggestion.   

  

Linda  

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:40 am PST

dear grant and kelly

'FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT KELLY THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE SEX, WHEN YOUR DONE GIVE HIM HIS GRADE.  ALSO LET HIM KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE FAILED AT AS FAR AS NOT MEETING PERFECT SEXUAL EXPECTATIONS.  AND YOU MUST GET A BACK BONE BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLOWING HIM TO LOWER  YOUR SELF ESTEEM.  YOUR HOUSE IS A FINE HOUSE DECORATED AND ORGANIZATION FOR SOMEONE WHO IS RAISING CHILDREN AND STOMACHING A HUSBAND LIKE THAT.  IN HIS PERFECT WORLD HE WANTS A MAID AND A PROSTITUTE.  WE HAVE NOT SEEN HIM SPEND TIME WITH THE CHILDREN SO IS THE PERFECT HUSBAND AND FATHER NOT HAVE TO SHOW CARE, CONCERN, LOVE OR ANY EMOTION OTHER THAN RESENTMENT AND SELFISHNESS.  I HOPE YOUR CHILDREN DO NOT GROW UP THINK THIS IS OKAY.  AND GRANT GUESS WHAT YOUR WIFE WEARS HER WEDDING RING TO SYMBOLIZE THE LOVE SHE HAS FOR YOU IN SPITE OF YOUR FAULTS.  AS A HUSBAND YOUR GRADE IS A D.  THE ONLY REASON WHY ITS NOT AND F IS BECAUSE YOU DO FINANCIALLY PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY..  WAKE UP GRANT WITHOUT WOMEN YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE NOR WOULD YOUR CHILDREN.  CHERISH HER BECAUSE ONE DAY SHE WILL SMELL THE COFFEE AND YOU WILL STILL PROVIDE FINANCIALLY FOR HER BECAUSE THE COURT WILL MAKE YOU BUT SHE AND THE CHILDREN YOU DISREGARD SO MUCH WON''T BE THERE FOR YOU TO GRADE WHEN YOU GET HOME. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:50 am PST

Grant, this one is for you

I have learned in my relationship when the pressure is gone, the love explodes.  The guy in my life was absolutely the cats meow until i realized he was human.  We had a rough time for awhile, but things did not turn around for us until I accepted him for the imperfect mess he was.  Here is a trick to be a hero- when Kelly (or whoever your "Kelly" is)messes up next time- and I mean really messes up to the point you can walk out the door, dont.  Chris Rock says love is not love unless you practiced your aliby in front of the mirror for 45 minutes.  For once, let her have a freebie, meaning accept the mess you married and love her even though she didnt meet your expectations.  Then, when she messes up again, let her have another freebie, as many as you can possibly stand to give her without hanging onto new resentments.  Try about one a day and continue to stay off her back.  This isnt the white knuckle thing, really give her that freebie (I love you enough to let you leave a towel on the floor or find that year old bottle behind the couch and not say anything), dont just shut up about it.  Pretty soon, you will be able to give her two a day, then four a day, and before you know it, you will see her improve because she wants to, not because the pressure is on to fix herself.   

  

And dont forget the little things that draw you to her- like the smell of her hair, that certain way she does something that makes you melt and she doesnt know it... you know, because you know her best.  And be careful, you keep this up, and there may not be a Kelly to complain about anymore- youll be complaining about the court order that takes all your money in child support:P.  You got a good thing man, dont blow it. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 10:52 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Quote From: got2say

 Grant is like a computer.  He can download all the info from Dr. Phil's books but he just doesn't have the right processor to run the program.  He is doing and saying all the right things (at least on the show), but he wasn't feeling any of it. 
Oh, my God--that is so right.  What a perfect analogy.
 
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