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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 27, 2006, 2:28 pm PST

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I wasn't alive during biblical times either, but I model my life after them... 

  

And if one has to be present to be able to agree or disagree with a time period or situation, then everyone should discontinue the intense criticism of Grant and Kelly's household, don't ya think?  Were you there? 

Nope.....and I don't believe everything I see on "Happy Days" either.  Apparantly that's the only point of reference you have for saying "the fifties RULE".
 
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February 27, 2006, 2:40 pm PST

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Grant, I'm pleased with your response to my posting.  I have more thoughts that I'd like to share with you and Kelly in an effort to help with the practical issues that you all face.  These are suggestions that have taken 16 years to realize.  I apologize in advance for it being so lengthy.   I promise it won't take you 16 years to read it.  Hopefully it will bless and encourage you.  You guys are more on track than you realize.  Don't despair. 

  

Good fathers and good mothers are not just born.  My husband is not the same man I married, and vice versa.  He's a good father who totally recognizes his role in making this family successful, however, he's not always been willing  to help as much as he should.   This whole grownup/adult/parent gig comes with its benefits, but it comes at a price.  I know my parents made it look so easy.  I was/am the youngest of five children and didn't have a clue about the amount of sacrifice it takes to do this family thing.  It has always been my childhood dream to grow up, get married and have children.  I believe the Lord put that in my heart and the hearts of others and thank goodness He says He won't give you more than you can handle.   

  

As a new wife/mother years ago, I heard Dr. James Dobson on the radio saying that a clean/peaceful home makes such a difference to a husband coming home from a hard day at work.  I took that to heart and incorporated it into a philosophy that I chose to live by.  I do not judge you Grant for wanting that.  I also believe that it's a reasonable expectation.  I will add that not everybody, including your wife, will notice the things that you may notice.  Sometimes it could be because of poor eyesight, other times it's just not on their radar.  You two need to find a balance of her doing the bulk of the clean/peaceful home and you fine tuning what's important to you.  She'll get on board as she learns and has more time to incorporate smaller items that now may get overlooked.  When I say clean, I should be more specific I really mean picked up and reasonably clean.  Leave your white gloves at the door, please.  Grant has a heart of gold and Dr. Phil's approach and the vehement responses on these boards do nothing to improve the practical issues that need to be addressed.  You obviously have a very loving marriage.  These issues are just icing on the cake. 

  

Again, this is a stage that the two of you are going through.  Some practical advice to keep the Momma happy is in order.  A well-oiled machine doesn't just happen over night.  Like any job it takes experience and practice.  I'll give you some for instances. 

  

Never go to bed with a dirty kitchen.  It's such a drag to get up to a dirty kitchen.  Help her if she isn't motivated to do it herself.  Habits take time to establish.  Buy her some good hand lotion to put by the sink, she'll need it if she stays on top of dishes.  William-Sonoma has a little caddy that holds soap and lotion.  I like to do treats like that so I don't feel as sorry for myself have to do the mundane day in and day out. 

  

Try to never get behind on laundry.  Every other day at least.  Start it early in the morning and if it's only a couple of loads every other day, you can finish it by lunch and have it done.  I've found that it's good training to have the kids help fold and put clothes away, but there's always a price to pay with the organization of their drawers.  It's unfortunately not very good.  It's frustrating.  An ongoing training for them that takes a long time to perfect.  If that's even possible.  I wouldn't start them on that until they're at least 6 unless you do it with them. 

  

Always try to coordinate your errands.  Too much time away from home comes at a price.  Years ago when my kids were small, I realized I was involved in too many outside activities.  It doesn't take a lot either.  After child #4, I cut way back on involvement because my life was too chaotic.  It's hard to get a lot done on the home front if you're away from home, on the go too much.  I never go shopping unless there's a specific need.  People BLOW soooooo much time and money shopping for things they don't  really "need".  I know it's better for us if I don't  "window shop".  Always have a grocery list going.  Write down items as you think of them.  Same goes for kids who can write.  Toys/video games don't go on that list.  Tee hee. 

  

Super Suppers/Dreamdinners, etc..  Google these and check their websites out to see if one is near you.  These are new concepts popping up all over the country where you go once a month or so and prepare meals that you take home and freeze.  All of the ingredients are out, you just assemble.  They feed 4-6 adults so you could probably half them for your family and make them last even longer.  It takes a couple of hours and they clean up after you.  The meals need to be defrosted and you just add whatever side dishes (salad, vegetables, some type of bread).  You can pick and choose the meals that are to your liking.  All of the ingredients are restaurant quality and they have Chefs that come up with all of the meals.  Some say that their families are too picky.  I tell my kids that they don't have to like it for it to nourish them and that's the whole point of eating, no?  Liking it is bonus.  The young ones often don't like the way it looks.  Tough, they have to try it and have some of it.  Negotiating isn't ruled out, but should be an exception.  If there's a negative consensus, I tell them I won't make that meal again.  The meals change monthly.  If you want to grow as a couple go with your wife to make them.  That may involve getting a babysitter so making the meals together may come later.  I take my 12 year old daughter now and this is teaching her how to cook.  I've met many interesting people there while preparing meals for my family.    This concept is to get families back together at the dinner table.  It's so much more than that, and it's changed my life as a stay-at-home mother.  Meal planning and shopping is so much easier and there's much less guilt for me. 

  

Renting videos.  Video stores for me take too much time.  Do it over the Internet.  It's way cheaper than going to the theater, you don't need babysitters and frankly, it's nice to escape from reality occasionally by watching a good movie.  It's very difficult for us to find time to sit down to watch them together however.  Before we could go out by ourselves, instead of a babysitter, we would pick up a dinner somewhere, bring it home, split it and watch a video.  That was cheap date night. 

  

Regular bed times for everyone.  Good rest is crucial to a healthy lifestyle.  It took me several years to perfect this.  I was always too pooped to chase my kids to bed because they wouldn't go by themselves.  I can't rely on Dad to put them to bed because he gets them all hyped up, so I go up and get ready for bed at the same time (not always) and if there's physical presence upstairs with them, they'll go to sleep.  I've learned that if I take just 10 minutes to enforce, there's a lot less yelling.  It's one of those things that if you want something done right, do it yourself.  That expression applies to a lot that I do on the home front.  However, I can't do that for everything because it would make me crazy.  I do have to let some things slide.  

  

Have the kids pick up their rooms.  That responsibility has to be age appropriate.  I expect more from my older kids than the younger.  We have a saying of  "company clean".  My expectations are not always "company clean".  They do have to show effort.  Clothes need to be in their drawers or hamper, the floor needs to be picked up and beds have to be straightened up.    Then Mom can go in and within a couple of minutes perfect the room if she needs to. 

  

The beauty of a housekeeper.  Housekeepers will clean around clutter typically.  Can't blame them.  It's their job to clean, not pick up and de-clutter the whole house.  I use the opportunity to pick up the whole house before they come.  The day before they come, it's crazy here.  I try to have the laundry caught up, the house totally picked up and ready so that they can come in and clean.  It forces me to deal with piles of papers and putting stuff away in appropriate places.  I thank my housekeeper every time she comes and thank the Lord for her.  The whole house is clean until the kids come home.  Don't be deceived however, I still have a vacuum upstairs and one downstairs that I use probably 3 times in between cleanings.  I still clean a lot because my kids are not the neatest people around.  I use glass wipes and clorox wipes for quick toilet cleanups, etc.  If I stay up on it, it never gets really gross.  Gross takes a lot more time to clean.  HOUSEKEEPER = mental health for me.  My husband says we'll never go without.  It makes that much of a difference with my mental health.  We're just outside of Denver, CO and have 2,800 sq. ft.  It costs $75 every other week.  I've not always had this and actually never thought I would do this.  My mother has never had any help cleaning, but this lady solicited me for business the day after we moved from a rental property that needed to be cleaned and one thing led to another.  Five years later she's still helping me.  I can do other things better and more consistently because of this.  If this isn't in your budget, get together with your wife every Saturday morning and clean the house top to bottom together so that the house is totally clean at once.  There's nothing better than ownership and teamwork to strengthen your family and to teach your children those same lessons.  I promise you that it will be just for a season.  Y'all will be stronger and better for it. 

  

DON'T BRING PETS INTO THE SITUATION!  That would be my husband's suggestion.  He's totally right.  I didn't listen.  We currently have a retired racing Greyhound, two rats and  two canaries.  Adding animals to the mix increases Mom's workload.  No matter how much the kids promise to do, it's Mom who has to clean and maintain all of the critters.  You can add animals when the kids are much older (over 8) and they'll still enjoy the experience.  Visit the pet store animals to get a fix.  Puppies are totally out the question unless you're on medication or plan to go on it when you have small children.  Don't knowingly walk into a situation that you know will increase the stress levels of the household.  The poop of any living creature stinks no matter how cute they are.  Count on it.  There's too high of a price to pay to do this when you know you already have serious issues about how your home is run and maintained.  When you're ready though, I highly recommend rescuing greyhounds.  They're the coolest dogs.  Rats are also awesome pets.  The pet store says they the best rodents, and I agree.  They love they're people and are very social.  The canaries are small and don't require a large cage that's difficult to clean and have a beautiful song.  These conclusions about pets have come to me over the last 16 years of trial and error and what I've witnessed with friends and neighbors.  If you have to have a dog, don't get one that sheds.   

  

The best encouragement I can reiterate is to remember that this is just for a season, cherish these times with your children.  They grow up so fast.  It all goes by in a flash.  No matter what your religious beliefs are, the Lord gave you these children to raise.  It's such an important job.  Your children can make a difference in this world.  Look at you two.  You're on Dr. Phil reaching millions.  Look at Dr. Phil.  I'm sure he and his family never imagined the impact they would have on our country let alone the world.  The service he provides has and will continue to change people's lives for the better for sure.  In the circles I run in, people dog Dr. Phil and liken his show to a Jerry Springer type show that they believe is silly and a waste of time (which Jerry Springer is).  The implication, I feel, is that I'm a dumb  housewife that has nothing better to do than watch Dr. Phil.  I'm always quick to point out the service, if not ministry, he's providing our country that so needs the guidance and wisdom he provides.  Dr. Phil McGraw was born for such a time as this and the same goes for those children that you're raising.  Their early developmental years with proper guidance will help them reach the full potential God created them to have.    What Dr. Phil is trying to do is a huge job.  God bless him for trying.  God bless Grant and Kelly for opening their lives to the world for purposes of educating struggling families in the same and similar situations. 

  

  

 This is a good thing and I hope my efforts in sharing are not in vain.  These are suggestions that work for my family and are not designed to come accross as the "right" way.  The ideas and concepts can be tweeked, of course to work for your family.  Lord knows I've got enough to do besides spending hours posting messages on Dr. Phil's message board.  I'll leave you with this.  I'm happy to share my experience and tips for running a household more smoothly and  am sure that if  I gave you more of our background and what we do now, it would legitimize my advice even more.  Let me know if you have any questions or want any more explanations of what we're all about.  God bless you with wisdom and discernment over what lies ahead for you, your family and your marriage.  Julie T. 

I am a young stay at home mom of three under 4.  I need major help running the house it isnt dirty but overy cluttered with stuff everywhere we have no function.  Kids dont have bed times heck they dont even sleep in their beds it is alot of argueing that we have just avoided.  It seems like after supper everything fails.  any ideas on how to organize my days or anything to make our family better functioning would be appreciated 

  

 
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February 27, 2006, 2:46 pm PST

thankful for what i dont have

In all the trouble that marriage brings and the frustations my husband gives me. I am so glad I am not married to this man! My sister and I laughed so hard at the list of 75 things he expects a wife to fulfill. MY life has been crazy the entire month and this show has enabled me to see all the good things I have in my life. My husband is a saint compared to this man and I plan to change my attitude towards him and in those frustrating times I will remind myself that I could have it worse! 

  

 
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February 27, 2006, 2:58 pm PST

Grant as perfect housewife for 2 weeks

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In the first show, I think they switched for a few hours and he didn't complete the tasks.  He also posted on the other board that he took the three little one shopping with him for a file cabinet and found it exhausting. However, those examples don't seem to have taught him about the realities of the job he proposes. He obviously needs a real lesson-a two week time period where he does EVERYTHING he expects from Kelly would maybe get through to him. 

This is my first post so hang with me.  Not only should Grant be totally in charge of the household and children while Kelly is relaxing at a spa somewhere, but he should be criticized (not just graded) on everything he has done all day: laundry, meals, child care and play time, shopping, organizing cabinets, cleaning, mending (please!!) and see how he feels to be degraded about his every effort!   Not having seen the first show I don't know anything about the background of these 2 folks.  There are a lot of questions that need to be answered about each of their upbringing and their expectations about marriage.  I know I was very naieve about what marriage and family life should be when I married 32 years ago, but I finally grew up and learned how I should be treated as a wife and mother.  Mutual respect for each other is key.  And the ring issue...a wedding ring symbolizes your love for each other.  If he takes it off, I would demand it back and go hock the darn thing and get something nice for myself or the kids!!  He shows total disregard for his wife and family by not wearing his ring.   I hope they get themselves turned around before the kids have been warped and Kelly is more emotionally damaged.  I do agree that Grant seems to have emotional (or lack of emotion) problems and should have separate counseling to get to the root of his problems. 
 
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February 27, 2006, 5:31 pm PST

Grant his wishes!!

I can see Grant's point - It has to be difficult to go to work everyday and come back to a place that you call home and see that nothing is appreciated - If he doesn't see it cleaned up, put away and taken care of, it's NOT APPRECIATED!  Take the time to put the sunshine in your home and marriage - Your children will learn to appreciate what they see -  

 
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February 27, 2006, 5:57 pm PST

This man probably can afford household help!

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I can see Grant's point - It has to be difficult to go to work everyday and come back to a place that you call home and see that nothing is appreciated - If he doesn't see it cleaned up, put away and taken care of, it's NOT APPRECIATED!  Take the time to put the sunshine in your home and marriage - Your children will learn to appreciate what they see -  

he ought to get it. The house is not her worry alone. There are better things for a woman with children to do than to keep a house clean to her husband;s specs. Again, he is not her employer. For many women, cleaning a house (when it only gets messed up again) is not a rewarding job. If he wouldn't like to give up his job to do ut, maybe it isn't really her choice either. What are her dreams? Are they being buried?
 
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February 27, 2006, 6:04 pm PST

Or look at it this way...

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I can see Grant's point - It has to be difficult to go to work everyday and come back to a place that you call home and see that nothing is appreciated - If he doesn't see it cleaned up, put away and taken care of, it's NOT APPRECIATED!  Take the time to put the sunshine in your home and marriage - Your children will learn to appreciate what they see -  

I can see Kelly's point- It has to be difficult to be at work everyday and have your husband come home and youisee that despite all you did, nothing is appreciated. - If he doesn't see it cleaned up (to his liking) it's NOT APPRECIATED! To see your husband angry because although you took care of the kids, fed them and tried to spend quality time with them, you are not  worth ANYTHING and since he has done his work, he can relax and complain while you have to continue working, knowing that no matter what you do, YOU ARE NOT APPRECIATED and cannot change jobs and go after your own dreams as he can.
 
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February 27, 2006, 6:57 pm PST

being a mom takes time!

I think this show was great with regards to the focus of Grant .  What seemed to be missing is that Kelly seems to be such a nice person and a great mom.  I think something that should be asked is how happy are her kids?  If she is spending her time teaching, enjoying, playing with, and building a relationship with her kids that will make them happy people, then she is being a great mother and he is so lucky to have her as his wife, the mother of these kids!  Kids take up a TREMENDOUS amount of time that is often overlooked by everyone not taking care of kids.  Most of the time it is routine work, but it is work that is consistentently interrupted, filled with every imaginable distraction, and requires a constant shifting of attention.  This is why 3 loads of laundry sometimes takes three days to get done.  Young children are egocentric, and the world revolves around their needs, and the mom (or dad) at home is the filler of all those immediate needs!  At least in my house, my day is full of interruptions starting by 6am.  It is very frustrating!  If she is sitting around not doing anything, then perhaps she should do more housework, but if the choice is clean a toilet or get your naked kid off the street, I would opt for the kid on the street! 
 
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February 27, 2006, 7:03 pm PST

I'm gonna get pounded for this but...

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I am a young stay at home mom of three under 4.  I need major help running the house it isnt dirty but overy cluttered with stuff everywhere we have no function.  Kids dont have bed times heck they dont even sleep in their beds it is alot of argueing that we have just avoided.  It seems like after supper everything fails.  any ideas on how to organize my days or anything to make our family better functioning would be appreciated 

  

Everybody talks about the 50's - what was so great about the 50's - life's different today than it was in the 50's.  Well, yeah it wasn't all great.  My mom had 5 kids in 10 years and she always claimed it was because 5 types of birth control failed her!   I was born in the 50's and I remember getting our first TV - it didn't have many stations and it went off the air late at night.   I only remember watching kid shows on tv on Saturday morning.  Other than that kids watched what their parents wanted to watch.   There weren't microwave ovens, so cooking a meal took some effort and you sat at the table and ate when your mom said it was time to.  My mom always used a wringer washer - there was no throwing the laundry in the washer and walking away and do something else.  There weren't many kids who were hyperactive and if they were everyone would attribute it to poor parenting.   Kids went outside to play and didn't come in until mom made you.   Mom's didn't worry much about kids going where they weren't supposed to, because kids knew the rules.  Kids didn't have many toys so they took care of what they had.   The only reason for a kid to interrupt an adult conversation was because of an emergency.   You went to bed when and where your parents told you to.  Because they said so.   Your mom didn't yell at you to get your attention - "the look" would suffice.  And you knew what "the look" meant and why you were getting it without mom having to explain herself over and over and over.  Because NOBODY's mom explained herself unless it was necessary to teach you something.   You went to school where everybody else in your neighborhood did.  You did not want your parent to have to come to school to deal with anything you did.  Because if you got in trouble at school you were in trouble at home, too.   Going to a movie was a big deal - I never went to a movie until I was in the 7th grade.  You never went out to eat unless your family was traveling somewhere.  You couldn't do anything wrong because you knew every neighbor you had would tell you parents if they saw you, and your parents were more than likely going to believe them.  You were a family unit, and it didn't often look like the Nelsons or the Cleavers, but you knew who you were and understood that you were a part of something bigger than yourself.   If your parents had a complaint or a problem, as a kid you most likely didn't know about it unless you were creating the problem.   

  

Then intellectuals decided that kids needed to be listened to and affirmed.   Families became more child-centered in order to address the children's needs.   If you didn't do that your were told your child would suffer from low self-esteem and have psychological problems as adults.  You can thank those intellectuals and the resultant shift in parenting for a lot of your current problems.  And a lot of us raised in the 50's - we unenlightened dinosaurs - feel for you.  But we also remember a time when the majority of kids respected their elders, could follow rules, didn't require drugs or specialized education and had, I submit for discussion, fewer emotional problems.   

  

If you are a typical young mom, my guess is that your kids have a ton of toys that they drag out and you pick up every day.   Most kids have more toys than the home has storage space for.   The kids have probably never had a set bedtime routine because you can't stand to listen to them cry or it's inconvenient for you to have to be home at a certain time every night.  You probably watch Dr. Phil's shows about out of control kids and say yeah, I should do that, but I don't have the energy/my kids won't do it/that won't work for us.   If you're typical, your kids probably don't take naps at a set time every day.   Your kids probably won't entertain themselves or stay where you tell them to for very long.   You think the quality of "quality time" is directly proportional to how often you devote 100% of your time to doing what your child wants you to do.   

  

I doubt that you will do it, but here's what I did with my kids and the kids that still come to my home that are 2 and over:  I make sure they know the rules of my house, and I make sure that the rules don't change.   There will be toys and activities that they like and are welcome to play with, but they get one thing out at a time and put it away before getting out something else.  They play where I tell them to play and use inside the house voices.  They respect my pets, my furniture and my personal belongings.  They don't interrupt if I'm speaking to someone or on the phone:  they make sure they catch my eye and I'll acknowledge I see them and try to get to them ASAP.   If I don't know what they like to eat I'll ask them before I fix a meal or a snack, but they will eat what I prepare when I serve it and will sit at the table.  I'll eat with them and we'll talk about anything they want to talk about.  They must wash their hands before and after they eat and after going to the bathroom.  When I say it's quiet time (nap time) they must lay quietly until I tell them it's ok to get up...they don't have to go to sleep but they must lay quietly and can have one toy with them as long as it doesn't make noise.   They know I'll come check in with them often to see what they are doing and see if they need anything - but that I am not going to stop what I am doing everytime they want me to.   There will be a times during of the day that I will devote myself to doing what they want to do - go outside and swing or play.  They are always welcome to help me as I perform chores around the house and we can talk as we work.  That what my kids considered quality time - when we were working together to do something and would talk about everything and nothing.   There is no name calling or bad language and if they watch tv it has to be a show that I approve of and they can't watch more than an hour at a time.  If they ask to watch a show and I see that they are not watching it, the TV is turned off (akin to they are done playing with a toy. )  The TV isn't on unless someone is watching a program, but they can listen to appropriate music while they play.   Bath time and bed time are never a battle - it's a treat.   I tell them once what the consequence will be if they do something, remind them once and then follow through with the consequence if they misbehave.  Afterward we talk about what the consequence will be should it happen again.   

  

Now for those of you who think "what a rigid witch", let me assure you that there has never been a kid who hasn't enjoyed coming to stay my house - even kids whose mothers say they are holy terrors at home ask their moms to let them come stay here.   If kids are autistic or take medication for ADD/ADHD I give them their medications, but they are rarely hyper at my house.   My kids, their friends, my nieces and nephews, my neighbors, the young adults I mentor all say my house feels like a safe haven.  Their kids just think it's a cool place to be where nobody yells.    

 
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February 27, 2006, 7:03 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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Nope.....and I don't believe everything I see on "Happy Days" either.  Apparantly that's the only point of reference you have for saying "the fifties RULE".

Hmmm...or my Mom and Dad who lived through them, my wonderful grandparents...Let's see, everyone on this message board that keeps referencing them...and of course, not to leave anyone out, YOU :)  

  

It's not hard to read or ask questions to find out about a decade.  For example, when my kids are born and old enough to have inquiring minds, they'll ask what 2006 was like and I'll explain that mostly men and women argued over who HAD to stay home with the kids, marriages failed left and right for reasons that could have so easily been avoided had someone taught just a little bit about why people actually get married in the first place, there were more fake body parts than real ones, women fought and fought for more rights, so much that the pendulum actually starting swinging the other way and qualified well-skilled men were out of jobs so that companies could meet their "women quota," McDonalds made skinny people fat and fat people fatter, the world was mostly greedy and selfish and would kill their Grandmother to make a couple of bucks, and last but certainly not least, children would start daycare at 3 months old and call their teacher "Mommy" at 2 and slowly start to wonder who these people were that picked them up at 7 every night and argued until it was time for bed, in the car the next morning, and while they were dropping the poor child off at his REAL Mommy's place... 

  

And my children will have my words and my words only to go by, but they will have a beautiful picture of what this decade was like and be glad that I was raising them like my parents were in the precious, but no always perfect, 1950's... 

 
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