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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 27, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I am right there with you. What is up with the dishwasher thing? My 17 month old is obsessed with it. My two boys ARE MONKEYS! My oldest, a 4 year old girl is so calm and refined but those boys are something else!! We both appreciate the support, and I do think Grant deserves to be dethroned! Thank you. Kelly

I have friends with just girls, and their lives seem so different than mine. Not that I would trade for anything. (I taught middle school - they'll get theirs when puberty hits!).  

  

I don't get the dishwasher thing either. He likes to take the wheels off the bottom rack and RUN. I spent 30 minutes last night looking for the bloody wheel!! 

 
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March 27, 2006, 5:41 pm PST

Hi Kelly

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I am emotionally AND physically  tired AND drained. You are perceptive! Thanks-Kelly
Hi Kelly, you MUST be exhausted . It does seem like a long time but before you know it they are in school full time. I saw the list. It was a jawdropper alright. Once our neighbor (the husband) was outside and I asked his wife if he had been sick. And she said no, he had just had to take care of their 3 little girls over the weekend when she went somewhere. !!! He looked exhausted!!:>) (no sleep, etc) Can you get help from a relative nearby like a Mom or sister? Maybe if the show offers therapy, you should take it even if Grant doesn't. I would put yourself way up on the list of things to take care of and give yourself high priority. I don't know how much Grant can change . It sounds like he is trying some, but I still don't understand why he didn't accept therapy(talk therapy from a counselor) . If you had a nervous breakdown or got sick, he would have to get someone to care for the kids. Like they said, being a critical spirit  is Ok if it's just a relative you can limit your contact with, but if it is your spouse, at what point do you say, I don't deserve this anymore. I deserve to be appreciated and praised and get pats on the back from the one person who is supposed to be there for me. Keep us posted. Maybe we can all come over and clean!!!:>)
 
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March 28, 2006, 4:03 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I am emotionally AND physically  tired AND drained. You are perceptive! Thanks-Kelly
Kelly I know what it is like to live with someone who is extremely demanding and I know it is no picnic. My ex husband also the father of my three children was that way. I felt like the life was being sucked out of me. It was no fun. I hope for your sake and the children's sake that Grant can make some changes. His feelings of discouragement are going to show on you and eventually the children too. You and your family are in my prayers.
 
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March 28, 2006, 8:03 am PST

Just a second here!

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Marriage is a partnership and I think we all agree on that.  My husband never asks me to do more than he knows I can do and if he does I can tell him that I can't get that done.  However, you made the statement that she seemed o.k. with the chaos that is part of life with three little ones, but Grant isn't o.k. with all the chaos.  Not that it has to be perfect, but there does need to be compromise because he does live there too.

Their lives are not chaotic!  They have three kids and that makes life busy, challenging and messy.  Get over it already!  The only problem in this house is that Grant is a tyrant, is inflexible in his expectations, is hyper-critical of his wife's efforts and is emotionally and physically unavailable to his children and his spouse.  Make no mistake, this man will never ever be happy, no matter how many maids, chefs or nannies are swarming his house around the clock! 

  

Kelly, keep your head up, your arms wrapped tightly around those babies and ear plugs stuffed in your ears to block out the droning whine of this impossible man.  You deserve better and your are doing a bang-up job!  (no matter what General Grant says) 

 
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March 28, 2006, 8:13 am PST

What?!

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I listened to many of your points of view, but this is truely a disapointment that you and puttycat would choose this direction in response to Bree.  It is unfortunate because neither of you hold the same creedance or weight as you would have had if you had not chosen this direction.
Hey JoeyJohn,  it looks like Grant has another fan!  Imagine, a woman who thinks this guy is sane and normal.  I'm sure Kelly would give up her spot for this girl to try the job on for fit. Yup!  Wonders never cease!
 
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March 29, 2006, 7:49 am PST

Hoover relatives

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Kelly I know what it is like to live with someone who is extremely demanding and I know it is no picnic. My ex husband also the father of my three children was that way. I felt like the life was being sucked out of me. It was no fun. I hope for your sake and the children's sake that Grant can make some changes. His feelings of discouragement are going to show on you and eventually the children too. You and your family are in my prayers.
I know someone who calls them her "Hoover relatives"... Just like you said, they are like a vacuum cleaner that sucks the happy spirit out of you within minutes,even over the phone you get drawn into a negative vibe almost pulling you right thru the phone!!!:>) I saw Serena Williams the tennis player on TV and she said one reason they had success was that  their Dad told them they would not be around negative people and ones that put down their dreams or efforts. I thought that seemed so good, even if it seems obvious, we do put up with negative people a lot sometimes because they are family or relatives or don't realize we have a choice. Grant's treatment of Kelly is mental cruelty, not just negativity or wanting a clean house. The person who said he would not be happy no matter how much help they had is probably right. He needs a therapist and fast if he wants to save his marriage.
 
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March 29, 2006, 9:35 am PST

For Grant- just an example.

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For Grant, I wonder....when your little one was having surgery were the spots on the carpet really that important?  

  

I understand the direction you are headed with this question. 

I understand the difference between personal preference and a priority. 

I try hard to stress the two very differently. 

It is very hard for me to handle things that aren't to my personal preference. I can hear the crowds screaming and yelling as I say that, but it is the honest and simple truth. In my mind the preferences I have are widely accepted as standards across what ever spectrum you are looking in. I think the key is tempering the facts and limitations of the present situation into those preferences/standards and to make incremental changes towards improvement!  

  

Having said that, my job and central focus right now, and has been since October 2005, is on my own circle of control. That doesn't mean that my thoughts, feelings, and opinions from before magically disappear - they are still there. I am engrossed in another pretty intense project right now that is a lot of work. 

  

  

Well, I apologize for not responding sooner.  Life is crazy.  We are preparing for a week in Hawaii with the boys and that is very time consuming.  Which brings me to my story to share...bear with me!  MY idea of packing for this trip started months ago.  Making lists, buying toiletries here instead of in Hawaii (huge sales taxes!) and organizing the clothes we would take right along with matching t-shirts for the swim suits for the kids!  Also, MY personal preference/priority would be to make sure all papers are in the same place for easy access- itinerary, vouchers for certain events, etc.  In my mind, this is not unreasonable or out of reach.  It also goes to how I was raised and how things (for me) have always been.  Now, my husbands side is very different. HIS idea of packing started  this last Sunday- he pulled some swim suits and a couple of shirts from the closet, grabbed a toothbrush and put them in a bag!  In HIS mind, we're ready to go.   As you can see, my frustration level is getting higher and higher!The decision was made to pack my oldesn't son's bag.  As I was pulling out outfits making a mental note of where they would be worn, I looked over to see they had been put in the bag!  I lost it, yelled and then realized- he was trying to do good!  Kelly is trying, too.  Kids and life are NOT always perfect no matter what we do.  All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.   Yes, I like order and I am more relaxed when things go smoothly and planning is a BIG part in that for me.  However, MY HUSBAND cannot be expected to surrender to my line of thinking but rather make adjustments that do not demean, diminish or otherwise make him any less than he is.  I hope this example serves you well.  

 
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March 29, 2006, 10:07 am PST

Had to laugh

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Well, I apologize for not responding sooner.  Life is crazy.  We are preparing for a week in Hawaii with the boys and that is very time consuming.  Which brings me to my story to share...bear with me!  MY idea of packing for this trip started months ago.  Making lists, buying toiletries here instead of in Hawaii (huge sales taxes!) and organizing the clothes we would take right along with matching t-shirts for the swim suits for the kids!  Also, MY personal preference/priority would be to make sure all papers are in the same place for easy access- itinerary, vouchers for certain events, etc.  In my mind, this is not unreasonable or out of reach.  It also goes to how I was raised and how things (for me) have always been.  Now, my husbands side is very different. HIS idea of packing started  this last Sunday- he pulled some swim suits and a couple of shirts from the closet, grabbed a toothbrush and put them in a bag!  In HIS mind, we're ready to go.   As you can see, my frustration level is getting higher and higher!The decision was made to pack my oldesn't son's bag.  As I was pulling out outfits making a mental note of where they would be worn, I looked over to see they had been put in the bag!  I lost it, yelled and then realized- he was trying to do good!  Kelly is trying, too.  Kids and life are NOT always perfect no matter what we do.  All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.   Yes, I like order and I am more relaxed when things go smoothly and planning is a BIG part in that for me.  However, MY HUSBAND cannot be expected to surrender to my line of thinking but rather make adjustments that do not demean, diminish or otherwise make him any less than he is.  I hope this example serves you well.  

Your story is so funny.  I was very much like your husband.  Trying to help, but seemingly getting in the way.  Then my husband would get upset and I would be thinking, "What the heck did I do?  I was just trying to help!"  Then it would be an arguement over something as stupid as a suitcase.  You are right in the fact that you cannot expect your husband to surrender to your own line of thinking.  I took a good look at what was going on between my husband and I and asked myself some key questions.  The first being, was I really listening to what my husband needed vs. what I felt he wanted?  There is a big difference.  I also started to look at the things that I was doing and not doing.  Attention  to detail has always been a difficult thing, but seems to come so easy to my husband.  So then I started to tell myself I need to start paying closer attention to detail.  NOT because my husband pointed it out, but because I simply realized that it could make me a better person.  My husband is an amazing man.  He is many things that I want to be more like as I know there are certain qualities about me that he would like to be.  I just needed to start putting it into action instead of just saying it.  I am not saying that Kelly is or isn't doing those things I am just saying that that is part of my story and your story reminded me of it.
 
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March 29, 2006, 2:23 pm PST

Glad to make you laugh...

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Your story is so funny.  I was very much like your husband.  Trying to help, but seemingly getting in the way.  Then my husband would get upset and I would be thinking, "What the heck did I do?  I was just trying to help!"  Then it would be an arguement over something as stupid as a suitcase.  You are right in the fact that you cannot expect your husband to surrender to your own line of thinking.  I took a good look at what was going on between my husband and I and asked myself some key questions.  The first being, was I really listening to what my husband needed vs. what I felt he wanted?  There is a big difference.  I also started to look at the things that I was doing and not doing.  Attention  to detail has always been a difficult thing, but seems to come so easy to my husband.  So then I started to tell myself I need to start paying closer attention to detail.  NOT because my husband pointed it out, but because I simply realized that it could make me a better person.  My husband is an amazing man.  He is many things that I want to be more like as I know there are certain qualities about me that he would like to be.  I just needed to start putting it into action instead of just saying it.  I am not saying that Kelly is or isn't doing those things I am just saying that that is part of my story and your story reminded me of it.

Amy, 

  

I found it interesting that you responded.  Since you did, I'm glad to make you laugh. I think for the most part we see things on the same level.  However,part of  your mentality comes across as one that the woman should succumb to all expectations of the husband and I simply have issues with that.  I think BOTH partners have that responsibility, not just the woman.  Also, I don't think changing something about the way  you do this or that (man or woman) makes you "better" in any way- just different.  That was my point.   I don't feel doing A, B or C like my hubby (and vice versa) makes me "better" just different.   I do it because it benefits the household AND my true being isn't compromised!  I know you've said that your "changes" weren't to save your marriage but rather to make you a better person.  I disagree 100%!  Some of your statements don't really support that.  I still find it very disturbing that you haven't once acknowledged any type of support for Kelly- either for her effort, willingness to try, or anything else.     

  

Kira 

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March 29, 2006, 3:25 pm PST

I could relate very well to your example

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Well, I apologize for not responding sooner.  Life is crazy.  We are preparing for a week in Hawaii with the boys and that is very time consuming.  Which brings me to my story to share...bear with me!  MY idea of packing for this trip started months ago.  Making lists, buying toiletries here instead of in Hawaii (huge sales taxes!) and organizing the clothes we would take right along with matching t-shirts for the swim suits for the kids!  Also, MY personal preference/priority would be to make sure all papers are in the same place for easy access- itinerary, vouchers for certain events, etc.  In my mind, this is not unreasonable or out of reach.  It also goes to how I was raised and how things (for me) have always been.  Now, my husbands side is very different. HIS idea of packing started  this last Sunday- he pulled some swim suits and a couple of shirts from the closet, grabbed a toothbrush and put them in a bag!  In HIS mind, we're ready to go.   As you can see, my frustration level is getting higher and higher!The decision was made to pack my oldesn't son's bag.  As I was pulling out outfits making a mental note of where they would be worn, I looked over to see they had been put in the bag!  I lost it, yelled and then realized- he was trying to do good!  Kelly is trying, too.  Kids and life are NOT always perfect no matter what we do.  All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.   Yes, I like order and I am more relaxed when things go smoothly and planning is a BIG part in that for me.  However, MY HUSBAND cannot be expected to surrender to my line of thinking but rather make adjustments that do not demean, diminish or otherwise make him any less than he is.  I hope this example serves you well.  

i really could see myself losing it over the swimsuit too! I don't think it is a good sign for me. 

  

I feel like a lot of the time I have an alert/excitement/panic level that is OK if you are Jack Bauer disarming a bomb on the FOX network hit TV show 24 that airs Monday nights. Every once in a while something will happen that allows me to relax a little more than usual, and I feel almost exhausted. I don't know where this personality quirk came from, but in my case I know it is becoming a problem. You sound like a cool and collected person that will not blow your top when the anxiety level reaches the red line - good for you. I don't think I am like that yet. I'd like to say that when I get really stressed that I stop what ever I am doing, peacefully walk out the door and arrange flowers into a bouquet for my wife. I don't think anyone would buy it if I said that arranging flowers or catching rain drops with my tongue was my reaction. I think that I am going to learn to address this issue sooner than later. 

  

 
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