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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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December 27, 2006, 9:53 am PST

Good Luck with that

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I have watched and read post after post about this topic and sat quiet while the masses spout out what feminism in the 21st century has taught all women to think and feel about their role in this world, and nothing more.   

 

I am a woman, myself.  I am 24 years old and I've been married for 2 years to a wonderful husband.  He works as an accountant and I stay home.  I have a college degree and was a successful business woman for the beginning of our marriage at which point we both decided that my place was better off in the home.  Things around the house weren't getting done like they should have.  We were eating out a lot, because neither of us had time to cook after a long day of work.  Laundry piled up.  The list goes on...I knew all along in school that eventually I would leave the work force to have kids, and not return until they were all grown and had left home.  This was my decision, even before I met my husband.  Luckily, I met a man who agreed with my views on the roles of husband and wife.  I am lucky to have met a man that wants to take care of our family's needs financially.  And he would say that he is lucky to have met a woman who wants to take care of our family's needs in the home.   

  

This is where most of you are missing it.  THEY ARE EQUAL.  While Grant may have a bit too much emphasis on the way things are done and details details details, he understands that the job that his wife does is as important as his.  In fact, he realizes it so much, that he wants perfection.  Not just for him, but because in some wierd way, he knows that Kelly and the kids could be happy too.  What he doesn't know is that perfection doesn't always bring happiness, but he's on the right track. 

  

You see, I'm sure when Grant signed up to be an electrical engineer that he was presented with a list of job duties that could be read for days.  And those duties only outline what he is expected to do at work.  The list of 75 things that Grant said a wife should know how to do...IT'S THE SAME AS HIS LIST OF JOB DUTIES AT WORK.  There is nothing different.  Grant has a boss that he answers to ever day.  If something is done wrong, he hears about it.  He is evaluated, watched, looked over...All to be sure that he is performing well.  Who is Kelly's boss?  Herself?  Just because her job is at home with the kids means that she doesn't have to answer to anyone is things aren't getting done?  That doesn't seem fair.   

  

When my husband comes home, he doesn't go around with a white glove to make sure that I've dusted every nook and cranny of the house, but if he sees that maybe the laundry has piled up, he'll ask why...And if the dinner is burnt (which by the way, SHOULD be on the table and hot when he gets home) he tells me...It's not exactly like Grant's rating system, but it's close.  And I appreciate that, because I want my husband who works SO hard for me every day to be happy when he retreats to his home and his wife.   

  

I am sure that Kelly is doing all that she can to make Grant happy.  It's obvious that his expectations are a bit high, but I don't think that it's entirely selfish on his part like everyone is making it out to be.  It's obvious that he's working hard to be satisfied with a little less now and then, but Kelly should be working just as hard to NOT be satisfied.  That's how we move up in our jobs right?  We push harder to be better?  We impress the boss by standing out over all the rest?  I want my husband to see that I can keep a gorgeous house, have dinner ready, have the laundry finished, beds made, floor swept, and still have my hair in place and makeup looking great when he gets home.  Why?  Because THAT IS MY JOB AS A WIFE TO HIM AND AS A FUTURE MOTHER TO OUR CHILDREN.  Someone posted earlier and said that this view is from the 50's...Maybe it is.  But God...Look at the 50's.  What was so wrong with that era compared to today?  And who says just because it's 2006 means that we're right today and wrong back then?  Because we've evolved?  I think not.  More families stayed together and lived happily together in the 50's than we ever will again.  And don't say it's because the woman didn't have a voice and just sat quietly while her husband walked all over her, because even though that was sometimes true, it wasn't always...certainly not the majority.  

  

The bottom line is, not all women are called to take a place in the work world.  I have been saying since I was a little girl that I've wanted to be a housewife when I grew up.  Never a doctor or a model like all my friends...I wanted to be a companion and a lover for my husband.  It's my job to make him happy, and he will always love me for that.   

While I agree with many of your points, you show your naivete in your household expectations for a wife and MOTHER.  I think, once you have children, you may find that: 

  • the laundry piles up faster
  • the house is never quite so gorgeous
  •  there is no such thing as a clean kitchen floor
  • beds unmake themselves
  • dinner burns faster when you are helping a second grader with homework and comforting a fussy toddler
  • and finally, it is very difficult to keep each hair in place and flawless make up while managing all of the above

It is more important for a woman to find a balance that works for her family.  This does not mean to live a slovenly lifestyle, but being an attentive mother can mean lowering household expectations.  A supportive husband empowers a woman to find this healthy balance and lends a hand to this end.  Criticism and nit-picking by the husband only diminishes his wife's spirit.   The job of homemaker, wife and mother is every bit as important as you have stated.  This is precisely why her spirit should be upheld, because it sets the tone for a happy and balanced family life.

 
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January 13, 2007, 9:58 am PST

hey i hear you! and i feel you!

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I understand how Kelly feels a little.  My husband of only 6 months is very demanding of me.  His biggest demand though, is I have to be a muslim like him.  He also complains sometimes when I dont do the dishes right away, or according to his standards.  He also loves to complain about my cooking.  Mind you all..no one actually gave me a real cooking lesson, I just picked up a few things from watching my grandmother,  He now has started to complain about my weight.  I am slightly over wieght yes, but its not THAT bad really.  If I try to diet or something like that, he says I'm careless with my health, etc.  I feel like I will never meet his standards for a wife 

look, i live in Israel and the show only aired today, so i don't know if you will even check and see this but i hope you do. I have been married to a muslim for 13 years now. I am from a Jewish family but was raised by christians and am a believer. I know how criticle they are. I live with it on a daily basis. The dishes aren't done on time, the floor isn't clean enough. I come home from hard phisical work and why do i sit down to a cup of coffee when there is house work to do. If i put on a few pounds, well, i get told what a big ass i have and that he doesn't like that on a woman. I am on average 125lb. so now that you know how rediculious that is, you can understand my frustration with it. but you know what, I CAN'T CHAINGE WHO HE IS OR HOW HE THINKS! WHAT I CAN DO IS CHAINGE THE WAY I REACT TO HIM! AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE DONE. I DON'T GET UP AND JUMP WHEN HE SAYS JUMP OR ASK HIM HOW HI, I SAY, WHEN I GET TO IT YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS DONE! When he makes comments to me about my wide load i ask him what he is going to do about his gray balding head? at least i can loose the wieght. When he curses me and puts me down I ask him what collage he got that degrea in? it must have been one of hi regaurd. I see things differently. He can't help what has been put into him for years, but i can help what i will take! you don't like the way the floor looks the mop is to the left!! you don't like the dishes in the sink, pull up  your sleaves buddy and help out. The biggest thing is we have 3 daughters together and i have tought them the same thing. When he gets nasty in the way he askes one of the girls for something, they will look at him and say " do i look like a wightress to you?"  or  " i wasn't put on this earth to surve man. i was put on it to surve GOD!" I really hope you learn how to cope with this world of islam. it isn't an easy one. and don't ever be pushed to chainge who you are or what  you stand for! i wish you a lot of luck!! and i will pray for you!

 
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March 6, 2007, 6:24 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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look, i live in Israel and the show only aired today, so i don't know if you will even check and see this but i hope you do. I have been married to a muslim for 13 years now. I am from a Jewish family but was raised by christians and am a believer. I know how criticle they are. I live with it on a daily basis. The dishes aren't done on time, the floor isn't clean enough. I come home from hard phisical work and why do i sit down to a cup of coffee when there is house work to do. If i put on a few pounds, well, i get told what a big ass i have and that he doesn't like that on a woman. I am on average 125lb. so now that you know how rediculious that is, you can understand my frustration with it. but you know what, I CAN'T CHAINGE WHO HE IS OR HOW HE THINKS! WHAT I CAN DO IS CHAINGE THE WAY I REACT TO HIM! AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE DONE. I DON'T GET UP AND JUMP WHEN HE SAYS JUMP OR ASK HIM HOW HI, I SAY, WHEN I GET TO IT YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS DONE! When he makes comments to me about my wide load i ask him what he is going to do about his gray balding head? at least i can loose the wieght. When he curses me and puts me down I ask him what collage he got that degrea in? it must have been one of hi regaurd. I see things differently. He can't help what has been put into him for years, but i can help what i will take! you don't like the way the floor looks the mop is to the left!! you don't like the dishes in the sink, pull up  your sleaves buddy and help out. The biggest thing is we have 3 daughters together and i have tought them the same thing. When he gets nasty in the way he askes one of the girls for something, they will look at him and say " do i look like a wightress to you?"  or  " i wasn't put on this earth to surve man. i was put on it to surve GOD!" I really hope you learn how to cope with this world of islam. it isn't an easy one. and don't ever be pushed to chainge who you are or what  you stand for! i wish you a lot of luck!! and i will pray for you!

Why are you still married to this man? This sounds like an incredibly unhealthy relationship, not to mention an unhealthy situation for your daughter to live in!
 
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September 4, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

Jerk

 

     If Grant wanted a Stepford Wife so badly, he should get a Barbie robot.

 
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November 3, 2007, 7:41 am PDT

Grant has some very deep seated issues

The "W" channel in Oz has still not shown this show yet, but reading from the script I can see that Grant has more issues than was revealed on the first show, as I suspected.

He's emotionally stunted, he can't feel the 'love' that other people do and that is the reason why he doesn't wear his wedding ring as it symbolises something he cannot fathom.

I notice he used the words "break her spirit" on the show, this is a repeat of what he's heard Dr Phil say to him and he's just using other peoples' words because when he reaches inside himself he feels nothing.

He's full of rage, it's the only emotion he knows.  With Dr Phil trying to find out what else he feels instead of the rage, he'll get nowhere.

The other message board put forward Aspergers which is still a possibility given the limited information of people's lives within less than an hour, but my guess is you'd find more answers if you go down the narcissist path.

Narcissists are emotional empty voids, full of rage, and his anger comes out passive aggressively in his criticisms of his wife.  He's not happy with anything about his life, or about himself so he projects his feelings of inadequacy onto his wife in an effort to make himself feel better.

I highly suspect that Grant is with-holding his rage more than what he tells us, I also suspect that Kelly knows he's a time bomb that he only just keeps in check, I bet she's dead-set scared of him too. 

His passive aggressiveness will come out in his frustrated actions of sighs, eye rolling, impatience with the kids and of course his endless list of criticism.  He's trying to attain perfection with his wife which is where his fantasies of grandiosity are placed. 

In my opinion he's definately narcissistic, but to the point of being personality disordered, it's hard to tell but as he matures it could become evident.  I also think that Kelly could be in grave danger should she try to leave him with the kids. 

I wonder how they are getting on today?

 
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November 20, 2007, 11:59 pm PST

I wonder how they are getting on today? From Grant

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The "W" channel in Oz has still not shown this show yet, but reading from the script I can see that Grant has more issues than was revealed on the first show, as I suspected.

He's emotionally stunted, he can't feel the 'love' that other people do and that is the reason why he doesn't wear his wedding ring as it symbolises something he cannot fathom.

I notice he used the words "break her spirit" on the show, this is a repeat of what he's heard Dr Phil say to him and he's just using other peoples' words because when he reaches inside himself he feels nothing.

He's full of rage, it's the only emotion he knows.  With Dr Phil trying to find out what else he feels instead of the rage, he'll get nowhere.

The other message board put forward Aspergers which is still a possibility given the limited information of people's lives within less than an hour, but my guess is you'd find more answers if you go down the narcissist path.

Narcissists are emotional empty voids, full of rage, and his anger comes out passive aggressively in his criticisms of his wife.  He's not happy with anything about his life, or about himself so he projects his feelings of inadequacy onto his wife in an effort to make himself feel better.

I highly suspect that Grant is with-holding his rage more than what he tells us, I also suspect that Kelly knows he's a time bomb that he only just keeps in check, I bet she's dead-set scared of him too. 

His passive aggressiveness will come out in his frustrated actions of sighs, eye rolling, impatience with the kids and of course his endless list of criticism.  He's trying to attain perfection with his wife which is where his fantasies of grandiosity are placed. 

In my opinion he's definately narcissistic, but to the point of being personality disordered, it's hard to tell but as he matures it could become evident.  I also think that Kelly could be in grave danger should she try to leave him with the kids. 

I wonder how they are getting on today?

I thought I would just drop in and read over the comments everyone made during the heated furry right after the show aired. Things are better in general. I try to make more time to be home with Kelly and our three kids that I did before, despite increased responsibilities at work. I arrange my schedule so Kelly can get out at least one a week and go do really whatever she wants. CSI Las Vegas comes on at 8pm Thursday night, so I have the kids bathed, wrestled and worn out, read too, and ready for bed by 7pm. It seems to be helping there a little more, she looks forward to getting out. Not everything has been just cheery - there have been some significant bumps in the road and I think I'm fortunate to still have my family together. There are a lot of things that have changed since you saw me talk with Dr. Phil. It was a very good experience.

Grant

 
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October 12, 2008, 7:22 am PDT

thanks for sharing experience and expectations

I just saw this show being rerun  here in my country.

Abusive husband  or not  - at least emotionally?  .. I wonder,   from my point of view he was just driving along alone, running his wife over, putting in reverse and drive over her again.

It was kind of hard watching this show,  the only feeling I get is that Grant is being abusive with his wife Kelly with his behaviour and demands.  I cannnot find a reason or see why she should be staying in the same household as he is. except that I have heard that love is blind ( and probably deaf as well) 

 

 Sorry Kelly...  It seems to me like he is dominating your mind and planting in your thoughts in a way ... At least it seemed like you were speaking up his wishes when you told the audience how you wanted things to be... such as  a clean house,  furniture in the right spot etc. etc.

And that list that he expected her to work from,,  that man is focusing on flaws.  I saw a beautiful loving wife sitting next to him,  why doesn't he focus on her qualities ?

That man is like a robot ( so it seems from the show)  - I would have liked to see how he is around his children, - what has he to give emotionally for wife, kids and home ?

This has made me sad to watch, I wish I had that show on tape, this  was to much to take in ... I need to watch that again and try to figure out if I am missing something.... that guy must have some good elements since she is still hanging in. 

Or is she terrified of getting out  of abusive relationship?

Anyway... I just found out that the show is more than 2 years old now.  I sincerely send this family my best wishes and hope that they have been able to work their way  together and found a great solution for them feeling well together.  It is a good thing learning that Grant is doing some work at home , from what it seemed at the show it just looked af is he was being a dictator around the house but not helping out at all.  Let's hope you are having a good and harmonious life now.

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Islandskona

 
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February 23, 2009, 7:00 am PST

I alway have to plan the date

I am always the one to plan a date.  I text or call him.  Although he never says no...why doesnt he every initiate the date, call or text???
 
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