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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 5:15 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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There is a theory that exists in the civic government and law enforcement circles that is referred to as Broken Windows. To paraphrase it, a house with broken windows shows that no one cares. If neglected long enough, the house with broken windows will be assumed to be abandoned, invaded by mischief seekers (or worse) and rapidly decay from there. My interpretation of this theory is that attention to details is very important. Not every kid that witnesses his mother neglecting her home will become a drug pusher or a pimp on the south side of town. I think you really extended yourself making that kind of conclusion. But, what does it teach a kid about grooming and personal cleanliness when he or she grows up in a house kept in disarray. Children benefit from routines in their lives - go look it up in a book.

Actually, if you read more information and keep an open mind, you'll find that the actual time you spend with your children matters a great deal more than the state of the closets.  There's a big difference between letting the whole place go to hell and having a little untidiness where it matters very little.  I think you're cherrypicking the theories that support your position.   

  

I also think you're a very lucky man.  Your wife has a lot of patience.  In her shoes, I'd have been gone a very long time ago.   

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:17 am PST

For Grant

 

I was interested enough to register on this board because I couldn’t believe what I was seeing AGAIN. 

  

Grant I know you appear to be reading every post so take note of this one carefully.  For Kelly’s own sake, leave.  And don’t let your ass hit the door on the way out.  That will leave you free to find the perfect wife & situation your heart & anal retentive disposition desire & more importantly it will leave her free to find someone who will love & appreciate her for who & what she is.  She is a wife, not a robot or some sort of project to be tinkered with or improved.  I see a very beautiful, sweet, loving, patient (& after 7 years of your company, downtrodden) woman who deserves much better than you.   

  

You can carry on all you like about justifying your ideals & behavior towards her but the bottom line is you are cruel & mean spirited to the woman who stood before God & the world & said she’d spend her life with you, & I’m telling you now buddy you don’t appear to be a real prize.  This woman is the mother of your children.  This woman washes your dirty underwear, cleans your house, cooks your meals, does the shopping & seems to be doing a terrific job of raising your children.  This woman has to take whatever rubbish you dish out to her & has done it to the best of her ability for 7 years deserves better.  You didn’t go on the ‘Dr Phil’ show to fix any problems.  You have now been on it twice to be vindicated.  Well it didn’t work.  If you came off looking bad you did that yourself so if you want to talk about personal responsibility own up to it. 

  

My hope is that the two of you will split & Kelly will find a wonderful, loving, accepting partner who will adore & cherish her, who will make her happy, will appreciate everything she does & proudly wear the ring she placed on his finger & never ever take it off. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:46 am PST

broken windows....

grant, your children will have a better chance of being good, productive adults if they have a happy household, and a happy MOTHER than if their kitchen cabinets are arranged perfectly.  so sad, you are so smart and so clueless at the same time.
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:56 am PST

Grant

I have seen the show...and I am a stay at home mom of three kids. I am not going to say that all of your expectations are wrong. I think that the "old fashioned" way of doing things has a lot of merit.  I believe a woman should try to please her man, and take care of the house. (And no, I am not old I am 23) However......Kelly seems to be generally willing to do this. It is very time consuming to take care of the house and the kids, and it can be very stressful at times. I really think you may get farther by complimenting her on things that you are happy with than criticizing.  There are days when i feel totally overwhelmed with everything and its nice to have my husband come home and be happy with me because he knows i did my very best. Try surpising her with flowers and thanking her for being a great mom....and I promise you it will motivate her to do other things as well. Also....this is for kelly....one thing i have found helpful in organizing is flylady (www.flylady.com) I am not by any means criticizing your abilities, I just know that time is limited when you have little ones and this has helped me.... Good luck and don't give up.....(and please put the wedding ring on Grant) 

  

-michelle 

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:15 am PST

Settling or destroying?

Grant, I worry when you say you think you are settling for a less than a great life by not holding to high standards. But in reality, I'm afraid for you that with these standards you may ultimately destroy the whole thing anyway. Real life is not a list. Your kids will probably rebel against the rules ,the exact opposite of what you want. Your wife is doing the best she can with 3 kids.(little ones) Everyone has different amounts of energy and  can get so much done. Did your father treat your mother well?  Did he treat you well?   Did this part of your personality show up when you were dating Kelly? Or just after you got married and had kids? What was her family like? Her parents? I'm just wondering why she ended up with you, someone so critical and demeaning. Somehow, I think she is settling by subjecting herself and the kids to you on a daily basis. You are free to go try this in another relationship you know if she is not good enough for you.................... I'll bet you would find just as much to criticize about the next one ,too!!!!!! You both are in a sick relationship.I don't think even hiring someone to come in and clean once a week would help because then you couldn't criticize Kelly anymore and then what would you do? You'd have to have a "relationship" That's what!!!! Not a "list"!!! And there is something you must not like about that idea. Also she couldn't be the long suffering housewife-mom anymore either. She has put up with this for 7 years and why, I don't know. Just a few thoughts.
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:33 am PST

Grant

 I am just amazed by this man.  I am sorry but Dr. Phil is just "beatin a dead horse" with this one.   

Grant just does not get it.  Kelley is a beautiful woman that has  been so beaten down, and it is so sad.  I can not imagine living that way.     

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:35 am PST

Get a butler!

Grant is unhappy because Kelly isn't doing what he expects her to do. Happines does not come from other people, it comes from within! Look at the tape and you should realize, you are not mr. perfect at all. Kelly, you deserve better!!!
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:37 am PST

Grant's behavior

I have had problems with the men in my life before, but I don't think I ever wanted to choke a man as bad as I would like to choke Grant!  

  

He is so obnoxious and self centered, he should be married to himself.  He made a list of all the things he wants his wife to do in the house without mentionning anything about motherhood, maybe if he concentrated on being a good husband and father, and not to worry so much about those damn little things around the house, he would, maybe, be happy.  But he doesn't work on his unrealistic issues, I am sorry to say, I don't think there is ever a chance for him to be happy.  And for that I feel so sorry for him! 

  

I really pity Kelly and the children.  What a terrible bad exemple to give to his children! 

  

A little note to the lady viewer who agrees with Grant, I wish her more self estime! 

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:41 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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 I only caught a few minutes of the first show, and don't even know if I'll be able to watch tomorrow, but just had to post a few lines about this. 

I don't know if this is Kelly's case, but in my own experience I have come to realize that a spouse who demands things be a certain way will never, EVER be satisfied, no matter what a wife/husband does to appease them.  For years with my own husband, it really didn't matter if the house was spotless, our three children completely bathed, clothed and fed, the lawn taken care of, his lunch and clothes laid out ready for his job- he would find SOMETHING that wasn't right.  His socks wouldn't fit right.  There would be one single vegetable in an entire stir-fry that tasted too "acidic" (no joke).   My mother would call at some point during the day, and he didn't want me to be talking on the phone, no matter how many phone calls he himself made.  Not to mention the little disappointed sighs that were a constant reminder of what a disappointment you are as a wife, mother and just general human being.  It reaches the point where you actually dread seeing their vehicle pull into the driveway at the end of the day.  That is a sad existence.   

What I'm trying to say is that I suspect this isn't just about keeping a clean home.  It is about control on the husband's part.   It almost makes them feel empowered because they are so much BETTER than you. 

What these husbands fail to understand is the more they harp and moan and slam we  wives, the less we accomplish, in short, because we feel like crap. 

Even with what I am going to say, I really admire chdsgrl.  It seems she has her life going in a positive direction, has everything under control, really has it 'all together'.  But I wonder if her husband has ever made sure to find something wrong with her routine.  Commented that the chicken nuggets tasted funny, then the next night the pork, the next night the spaghetti.... .  I wonder if he has ever complained that his socks weren't folded correctly, his t-shirts weren't laying in a certain position. That the dishes, though all washed- by hand, no dishwasher- even while taking care of three little ones, were left to air-dry, and weren't completely wiped and put away after each meal (during the washing of which he would be in another area of the house hollering every few minutes "Aren't you done YET?"), etc, etc.  Just little things that slowly chip away at one's self-confidence.  I wonder if she has ever caught him late at night watching a porno, when he didn't have time to be with her in days (a whole different story!), and hadn't taken her out for a "date" in almost two and half years.   Discouragement doesn't make routines very easy.  What I'm trying to say is that it seems as if chdsgrl comes from a home where she is made to feel special and appreciated and validated in every way, and that, in turn, gives her the strength to organize and plan and joyfully run a well-managed home. 

When a woman is never encouraged, never made to feel as if she is good enough, and is constantly informed of her failings,  she will slowly but surely fade away into just a shell of a person. 

I don't know if any of this makes sense.  Aww, man.  I just hope everything works out okay for Kelly and her little ones.  They deserve to be happy.   And I pray that her husband will learn to appreciate even having a woman who cares for him and desires to share her life with him.   Just a little love, understanding and encouragement can open a whole new world for them.

Oh you are so right on with this!  I didn't even see the show, so there's alot I don't know, but I would like to say this: 

Grant, I am more like you than like Kelley. I am a divorced mom of 3. I work full time AND manage to run the kids AND my house is always tidy and neat if not as clean as I would like it. I get really frustrated when I see stay at home moms whose homes are a mess. (my brothers wife, for one) I believe that if one spouse is out earning the cash, and one is at home with the children, the one at home has the responsibility of managing the home.  This way, the evenings are Family time with some peace.  

HOWEVER, Grant, this also means that once you've done your time at your job, and you come home at the end of the day, Kelleys work day is ALSO done. Of course, that's not possible, but that's why You need to pitch in. Bathe the kids while Kelley does the dishes. Read them a story and tuck them in while Kelley takes a bath. (really, how attractive do you think she feels after tending to little ones all day?) 

I'll tell ya, a little bit from you would go a loooong way. Imagine if you came home and smiled at your wife and gave her a peck on the cheek instead of checking to see if the dishwasher is loaded properly!! 

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:44 am PST

Just Dump Him, Kelly!

Dear Kelly, 

  

You can try and reason with your husband until you're blue in the face,  but it will all be for nothing.  Look at him for what he is -- a controlling, abusive, cruel man who wants a servant rather than a wife and friend.  He will always find something to criticize and nothing you do will EVER be enough.  He will never make you feel loved and safe in your marriage -- just accept that, because that is his nature.  No amount of counseling will change that.  I'm not trying to be cruel, honestly -- but you are on a sinking ship here.  And I'm telling you:  ABANDON SHIP!!!!!!!!! 

  

 Pack your bags -- and your kids -- and just get out before he starts physically hurting you, too.  He has no incentive to stop hurting you, Kelly.   His current attitude gets him what he wants:  total submission and control.  If he were my husband, I would've "burned the bed"  a long time ago!    

  

Take care and stay strong.  It would hurt to contact a domestic violence shelter in your area, either. 

 
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