Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 6:45 am PST

It's not about a clean house...

it's about control over Kelly. 

  

Their house did not look near as bad as some of the homes on "clean sweep".  There are more important things in life than a spotless house... 

  

Kelly, you are a beautiful, smart, strong, radiant woman...you (and your children) deserve to be treated with dignity, respect and value as a human being-are you in a dictatorship or a marriage that is a loving partnership?   

Some wise Doc said "what is it costing you to be in this relationship?" 

  

  

  

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:45 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

"In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble.  . . . Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence." 

 

The 1950's obsession is a myth.  People were just as dysfunctional then as they are now, they were just trained to hide it better.  My mother grew up in the 1950's and her father would back-hand the kids without warning for minor infractions.  My father grew up in the 1950's and his father ignored him completely.  (And these were good families).  Nobody was ever "Ozzie and Harriet".  Even Ozzie and Harriet weren't "Ozzie and Harriet". 

  

Children have problems when their parents control them without listening to them or accepting them as individuals and people.  I see this with my Sunday-school students.  There is a huge difference between the kids whose parents talk to them and encourage them, and the ones whose parents manage their behavior without really tuning in to who they are.  Listening to your kids is not the same thing as being too friendly (my parents always treated me with respect but believe me, I knew who was in charge).  Kids who don't feel like they can measure up don't feel safe talking to their parents about important things.  I made enough mistakes but I always knew I could go to my mom and dad with something and they would love me anyway.  My brother and I never drank, smoke, did drugs, weren't running around with rough kids, weren't out late, weren't having sex.  We weren't anywhere near perfect by Grant standards--we could have been cleaner, we could have been "cooler", we didn't vacuum the cars much, etc.--but we turned out OK. 

  

He's taking his "Broken Windows" theory to an extreme.  Some sand and dog hair in the car isn't going to put anyone over the edge.  There's a big difference between "not being a housecleaning fanatic" and actually living in filth (we weren't fanatics, but our house was never filthy).  Life is way too short to waste it worrying about whether everything is exactly where it belongs, all the time. 

  

I'm extremely disturbed by his refusal to wear his wedding ring, and I don't feel like he's actually made any progress in letting go of his perfectionism.  He should have figured out the emotional validation thing a long, long, time ago; she's a person, not a robot. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 7:01 am PST

Life Is Way Too Short

Grant needs to get a grip because life is way too short! Kelly may spend her entire life walking on eggshells! Neither of you seem to get it--it's not about YOU. Kelly, you are teaching your daughter how to become a woman and Grant, your son how to become a man. Both of you are setting the stage for how they will relate to a future husband or wife. Grant you may just need to go back home to your parents; you may find that they are not only glad you found a wife, but that they do not want you to move back home with your quirkiness. Grant, if Kelly did everything on your list, you would just find something else to complain about. It is not about the "stuff" and it is not about a "perfect" wife, it is about compromise, to which you seem oblivious to its meaning. Living with you Grant may not be a catwalk--maybe Kelly would have time to make her own list if she were not so focused on your petty wishes and fantasies. Grant, Where were you seven years ago when you chose Kelly to be your wife? Unplugged; just like you are unplugged now. I will be glad to teach Kelly some "wife skills," beginning with the letter "A" for assertiveness!  Grant you are so incredibly rude and unlikeable!     

 
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February 21, 2006, 7:06 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

I have been married almost 10 years and have 2 children.  I am fortunate enough to be able to stay home and run our household and take care of our children.  There is no "perfect" wife and these men who think there is are living in a fantasy world along with their football leagues.  I think a good wife comes with having a good husband.  The basis for that is to love one another for who they are not who you want them to be.  I think a wife should support her husband and equally he should support her.  There are things my husband and I would like to change about one another but are they harmful to us or do they really interfere with our marriage?  NO!  People need to relax and just enjoy one another and their families and stop being so critical.  Another aspect of our family is that we have a strong relationship with Christ.  I feel if people would let their faith guide them they would be surprised what great things are in store for them.
 
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February 21, 2006, 7:13 am PST

Get real!

This guy has some more nerve!  Who does he think he is?  Is he perfect?  I understand that there are certain expectations that we all have but this guy takes it to the extreme!  I think that in a marriage both parties are responsible for doing their best to keep up their end of the bargain and that  both parties need to do their best to help each other.  If he wants a perfect house then he needs to get off of his "throne" and help this poor woman!  He enrages me.  For him to be so smart he is totally clueless!  I have been married for 13 years and we have 2 children.  There are days that I would love to have more help.  To me the sexiest thing alive is my husband offering to help around the house!  I don't need a perfectly decorated home and a perfect meal with candles to make me love my husband!  My advice is for this guy to "GET REAL" and this girl needs to stand up for herself and stop being so soft with him.  Tell him where to get off and what to do when he gets there!  The jerk!

 

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February 21, 2006, 7:15 am PST

Re: To Grant

Some have made some rather insightful excuses regarding Grant's behavior.  Yes, he's an engineer.  He's also a bully - selfish beyond recognition.  I have never witnessed a man being so amazingly hurtful to his wife emotionally, placing all of her worth as a wife and mother on her tasks and performance.  Maybe you should just hire a maid, prostitute and nanny!  That's all you're wanting in a wife. 

  

If you don't like the d*mn curtains she took the time to purchase and hang, do it yourself! 

  

Look at yourself Grant!  You're a poor husband, father.  In the first show, you couldn't keep up with your wife's responsibilities, yet you continue to criticize her performance, and what appears to be a sincere effort to run her life the way you see fit.   

  

Shame on you. 

  

Somehow I feel that if Kelly could possibly perform to your expectations, she would be greeted with yet another list of tasks you expected improvement on.  Grant, you'll never be happy!  And, in your quest to find happiness through criticism of others, you will ruin the life of your wife and children. 

  

You're an intelligent man - quit being a jerk!  Kelly - ever thought of coming up with a perfect husband list? 

 
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February 21, 2006, 7:18 am PST

Bringing home the bacon doesnt cut it when having a family

 Okay, I am a stay at home Mom of 4. I also run a business out of the home. It is a never ending battle of the sexes. My husband truly believes that just because he pays the bills I should have to do everything else. I on the other hand do not believe this should be. He tells me on a regular basis...." You can take a break whenever you feel like it. " My response is..." Of course I can. I work 24/7 365 days a year. I receive no pay, no vacation, no sick time and no Thanks for what I do. I am on call 24/7. Of course I can take a break whenever I please....and, ya know what? I deserve it too! " I have sacrificed so much of myself for the family. I give my all for everyone in the home, I sit on the back burner....and, thats okay with me. Whats not okay is the fact that I dont feel I get the respect I deserve. Yes, I love my husband and respect him for all he does for the family. But raising a family is more than him working 4 days a week and doing absolutley nothing else. His favorite button pusher with me is " Some of us have to work ya know. " REALLYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I didnt realize that what I do isnt work. I think that when the kids are all old enough to hold their own...I am going on STRIKE. Then we shall see whom works the hardest. Why is it....wives always tell and show their husbands how much they appreciate them working for the actual cash...but, when it comes to the back bones of their lives we get SQUAT???? One more thing...my husband had gotten tired of his job. So with my support, he chose a new job. One he likes and one that works well for him. Lastw eek we had an arguement....I told him that it didnt seem fair to me that I truly hate my job some days. But, I am stuck with it for the rest of my life. I dont have a choice here....I know it sounds like I am resentful. Well yes I am. And, the older we get I think the more resentful I get.
 
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February 21, 2006, 7:22 am PST

Unconditional Love

My husband and I were married for 23 years before his death in July, 2004.  For us, our marriage was a union of spirits who were making this life journey together in the bodies we had.  I often heard Bob use a certain term when talking to other about a happy relationship...for him it all revolved around unconditional love...acceptance of the other person just as she is at any given moment....without expectations and/or judgement.  An impossible way of living?...never perfect, but a goal we shared.  I chuckled when Dr. Phil described his reaction when Robin asks how he likes some change she makes in the home...."I love it".  Bob always did this....and at the same time I would "almost always" ask him ahead of time what he would like ... before I did it. 

  

I think this young man accepts himself unconditionally.....and his ego is in the way....a brick wall closing him in and away from emotions ...both his own and those of his partner.  The question a friend of mine would always ask me if I was upset about something....."How important is it?" 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 7:23 am PST

No one is perfect

I find it funny that the word perfect is even mentioned.  I personally despise the word perfect because I think that is an impossible thing to accomplish.  Sure we can strive to do our best but perfection unrealistic. 

  

 

 

  

 

I also agreed with Kelly that Grant should accept her for who she is; isn't that the purpose of marriage to take someone as they are.  I also think that if Grant were to live in her shoes for even one day he would understand how ridiculous his request is.  However in his "defense," I am married to an engineer so I see his point of view.  I think he is trapped in a tunnel, to say the least, and has only been taught one language.  I am no expert but I know that my husband and I, through our many years together before marriage, identified what men and women should bring to a relationship.  We did this through the wonderful books by John Grey.  We consider these books to be our relationship bibles and Dr. Phil has made numerous references to this "language" in regards to making a relationship work. 

  

 

 

  

 

I think the bottom line for Grant is that he needs to be "re-programmed."

  

 

  

 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 7:23 am PST

Illusional teachings

We are all taught the illusion of life.  As children we want to grow up and be "Normal".  Like relationships we compare and shuffle around in are heads.  We put things in a pile.  One pile is excepted and the other is not.  We are taught what is the "Perfect LIfe".  It isn't anyone's fault.  Except maybe everyone's. 

  

It is easy for a woman to walk into the cage of illusion.  The average man and woman wants this.  He wants to know where is wife is, and what she is doing.  It becomes ownership and lack of trust over time.  The woman feels she gains trust by earning it and staying in the cage. 

  

We can pretend this makes us happy and live the illusional life of happiness.  Truth is .... love is free.  Love is unconditional.  Love is everywhere.  Don't walk into the cage and through the key.  Know in your heart that life has more to offer.  Have the courage to confront the illusion as an illusion. 

 

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