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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

what to do if you are both of these two?

I was mesmerized today.  All the advice felt like it was coming straight for me.  In my family, I am the primary care giver and home keeper.  I do work part time.  My husband works 40 hrs per week.  We agree that since our family comes first, he needs to be included in most if not all areas of our life, including home and family care.  We both have jobs, but our family is our career and we need to be responsible.   

My problem, like Kelly, there is too much to do and choices to be made.  I can never seem to get a great grip on all of it no matter how much I want it. 

Like Grant, I am a control freak!  I believe there is an efficient way do get things done.  Efficiency is important to me because it means that it will take less time to get things done well.  I agree with Grant that there are things wives should know when becoming a wife, but I also believe anyone in a family should know most of those things on his list. 

I know my husband feels like Kelly.  I know he wonders why I even married him if I feel the way I make him think I feel about him,  I do and say things that are hurtful and controlling.  Honestly, I don't even feel the love anymore, just frustration, loneliness and a feeling of being overwhelmed.  Why would he want to do nice things for me! 

How do I reconcile these two parts to become whole, nicer, less controlling, but more in control of myself? 

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Grant is equating marriage with what color curtains are hanging in his kitchen and how his dvd's are arranged.  That is twisted!  Marriage is a partnership where you share in the ups & downs of life and support each other, not tear each other down.  I've been married 18 years and have two teenage children.  My home is lived in, not a health hazard and far from perfect.  Raising two children into adulthood the best I can is my main priority, not wether or not my spice rack is in alphabetical order.  If either my husband or myself decided to end this marriage when one of us failed to be perfect we'd have met in divorce court seventeen years ago!   Someone tell Grant that 'the Stepford Wifes" was only a movie! 
 
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February 21, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

I hope things work out...

I must say watching the show today made me feel initially frustrated. I was frustrated that a husband could have such mechanical expectations of his wife, a supposed PARTNER for LIFE. I was frustrated that a wife could feel so inadequate because of criticism from the man she wants to build a life and future with. I saw immediately how much she loved him, and how much she wanted things to work, and then later in the broadcast, I realized he just didn't have a clue what was missing from the equation for him, why he didn't get "It."
At this point I felt really sad for them. They're a handsome couple, building a handsome family, but facing a huge hill called "Expectations," one setting the course, the other struggling to navigate it. The engineer in him says his wife must be efficient, a one woman Martha Stewart (who is really an entire production team), and she's trying to do her best. I had a cousin who was a testing engineer, looking for faults all day long. He and his wife had several altercations over her 'efficiency' at home. They worked on it constantly, and he seemed to begin to understand that as a human, his wife had her own 'potential,' not one he set for her. He really understood it when she developed breast cancer and they had to live with the disease together...
I feel that Grant needs to learn to appreciate Kelly for what she DOES do and contribute to their family life and relationship, instead of looking for the errors. If he understands that she may not be able to cook a five star meal, darn socks, dust, mop, vacuum, wrangle two kids, mow the lawn, check the wiring in all the household appliances and look sexy doing it, just the way he can't run a 100 meter sprint in under 10 seconds everyday, he might understand.
He should be happy with the love she has for him, because he's got a beautiful, loving, caring, sincere wife who wants to stand by him. Not wearing a wedding band could make her feel that he doesn't want to stand by her and is denying/rejecting her as his wife, and seems to be selfish on his part. If he wants a life partner, he's got a wonderful one and should cut her some slack as a human being. If he doesn't, then he's on the right track.
I really hope their relationship becomes more supportive and healthy. It makes me sad, having watched what happens when tragedy is what makes 'IT' click. I wish them the best.
 
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February 21, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

helping hands

My husband is a full time student and works part time.  I stay at home full time with our children, ages 3 and 1.  Generally, I do my best to keep the house functioning.  I feel that is my responsibility.  I believe that mother's have the power to make a happy home.  That doesn't always mean it is clean or that there is dinner on the table at a decent hour.  But, it does mean that we love the most.  I try to remember to kiss my husband when he comes home and ask him about his day.  I try to tell him about the funny things he missed that day with our kids.  I try to support him in every way I feel I can.  He returns the favor.  If the house is a disaster when my husband comes home, he always helps put it in order.  I don't even have to ask, but I always express my appreciation for his help.  We have individual goals, but we work together to make those things happen.  My goal is to have a home where a visitor could drop by and not be shocked by the disaster before them.  My husband helps me achieve that goal.  Do I feel that a full time homemaker should take a lot of responsibility for the functionality of the home?  Absolutely!  However, that includes so many areas, I would be overwhelmed every day without the help of my husband.   

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

Oh WOW, a subject for all time

First, my husband didn't wear his wedding ring after six months...because he never wore a ring before and it bothered him......so be it.    Second, my husband felt his job was to bring home the money and mine was...well you know.  However, at times through the years my monetary contribution did help.  Anyway this made for lots of bad feelings, resentments.  However, he didn't care what I did with the house and it shows, except for a dining room table he wanted, everything in this house is me.  Not a good partnership which brings me to my final comment.  We've raised 3 children, all grown now and am now raising or being raised by three Scottish Terriers., Finn and Haddie, and puppy Fergus.  Working on a website for them today I came upon this observation....The Scottie lives with you as a partner, and although you may provide food and shelter, he sees this simply as your contributiobn to the partnership.  .Aside from this ,a dog's love is unconditional and I guess this isn't so many with humans.  Grant has a lot of work to do with his attitude, however it bothers me that his wife keeps saying she'll try to do better..:-( 

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:19 pm PST

Happy Marriages

It frustrates me to see how many people do not realize that a really good marriage takes giving 100% of the time by both parties.  My husband and I are very happy together.  He retired in 1999; I retired in 2005.  During those six years, even though we have lived in Arkansas since 2000, I have worked in Los Angeles and St. Louis, initially only coming home every two months, and then, when beginning work in St. Louis, coming home every weekend.  It was a long time and hard for us to be apart, but working together -- me in the workplace and my husband in our home -- enabled us to be together now, in our dream home, and still working together.  When we were both employed, we worked together in the home, one cooking and the other doing dishes; folding clean laundry together; putting clothing away; cleaning house; painting rooms; etc.  When I was working in St. Louis, my husband single-handedly finished a 2,400 square-foot basement in addition to building a 24'x32' workshop with his buddy.  Now that we are both home, we cook together, clean together, play computer games together, etc.  We both work at our marriage with an eye toward being happy together for the rest of our lives.  Too many young people think marriage is easy; it is not.  It is a full time job requiring input from both spouses.  We have a tendency to be a throw-away society, even extending into marriage.  The key words in a successful marriage are compromise, love, and respect.  Until Grant respects his wife as an individual, not as his minion, this marriage will have problems.  However, I do admire both of them for making this attempt to create a happy environment together when it would have been easier  to just walk away.   
 
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February 21, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

Deja Vu

I watched the follow up show today with a feeling of Deja Vu.   My EX (NOTE EX) husband never was satisfied with anything I did.   He had his standard and looking back I can see that regardless of how hard I tried we never would have lived up to his expectations.   It really didn't matter that I worked full time and went to college full time (graduated with honors).   He felt my priority should have been him and what ever issue he was obsessing about (laundry one day,  money the next, dusting the next, etc) 

  

My breakthrough came when I realized that I was satisfied with my effort and that the biggest stress in my life was my ex's criticism.   I started laughing again, mostly at myself, and most importantly living again.   Soon after this breakthrough and at a session with our marriage counselor, he stood up announced he wanted a divorce and told me that I was so screwed up I would need counseling for ever.   My gosh....what a GIFT!!!!   I no longer had to try to fix something that I had no control over.   The relief was immediate.  I remember looking at my counselor and just cracking up laughing.   In the meantime he was diagnosed with OCD and I am glad I am out of the marriage and don't have to deal with him or his issues ever again. 

  

 You have to be happy in your skin and live up to your expectations! 

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

Grant

I am wondering why Dr. Phil did not ask Grant if he really wants to be married, if his not wearing his wedding band doesn't really mean that he doesn't want anyone to know he is married.  I think that his demands of Kelly, his refusal to wear his wedding band and his not  "getting it", are just pushes to force Kelly to kick him out.  I don't think he has the guts to leave her, although that is what he wants, and he will continue to push her buttons until she doesn't love him anymore and forces him out.  Then he can say  "I tried, but she just didn't love me, it's not my fault". 

  

I think the fact that he no longer wants to be married was glaring to me. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

Grant needs to live the Stepford life!

Dr. Phil is by and large a behavioral psychologist with a real-life approach. I agree with most of his advice to Grant, but apparently the good doctor is knocking his head against a wall. This guy has a long way to go and his humanity has been replaced with a motherboard. No, I don't have to just "like this guy," because he's making another human being miserable and possibly replicating his machine-like approach with his children.  

  

IMy knee jerk reaction is to tell Kelly to run likes she's never run before and take those kids with her. However, I can't believe that Dr. Phil hasn't put some of his behavioral know-how to work. All of the talk in the world isn't going to get through to this guy and Kelly needs to grow a backbone. Where were the questions concerning Grant's deficits as a father and husband? Couldn't he earn more? Can he play sports? Couldn't he be better looking and not such a drag? 

  

Here's what I suggest. Send Kelly to a spa or at the very least to a relative's house for a minimum of five days. She tells Grant to take the time off (long weekend, whatever). It's not a request, but a demand. Then he becomes Mr. Mom, 100 percent! Then use his own checklist against him and please don't forget the angle of those mops and brooms behind the pantry door.  

  

If this doesn't work, her next step should be out the door and straight to a lawyer. Let him live the life of a very lonely priggish bachelor for the rest of his life. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

What I think a wife should be/do.

Watching this show really has gotten me to think, I have been a wife for 11 years. I never had this kind of marriage. But, I know my Father is this way towards my Mom. Which to me is hard to not see what affects it has on her. 

  

   To me a wife, depending on her role in support of the family. As working full time or part time.  

 A. If she is working full time, 

 1.  She should come home and start fixing dinner. 

 2. Help children with school work or taking care of toddlers, take care of the animals. 

3. Clean up after dinner. 

4. Clean house if needs to be done. ( Me, I use to clean a room a day so on my weekends I would have time with my husband.) 

 5. But, then I think she should be able to relax.  

  

Now for a home stay or part time wife. 

 1. Should have dinner started. 

 2. Wash dishes and put away 

3. Have the house most ly straighten up and or clean. IF she is home most of the time or all the time. She should be able to clean a room a day. Then pick up the rest of the day the little things of life. 

4. Help or care for children or animals. 

  

C. Husbands on my thoughts. 

1. I think husbands should take care of vehicles. 

2. Should take care of the yard. 

3. Fix things in the house or yard. 

4. help with taking care of garbage and picking up dirty dishes. They should do their part in helping with picking up things. Specially when they dirty it. 

   My ex husband,  

1. Cleanned bathrooms. 

2. Put dirty dishes up where they belonged. Sink or dishwasher . 

3. Washed clothes and folded them. 

4. Cut the grass. 

5. Cooked meals and did clean up. 

  

My current soon to be husband. 

1. Takes the garbage out. 

2. Takes care of the vehicle. 

3. Takes care of the yard. 

4. Takes care of the pets. 3 cats and 1 dog 

5. Picks up after himself. 

6. Does sweep and vacum if REALLY needs it. 

 
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