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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

A difficult show to watch for me

This show was an eye-opener although difficult to watch.  A year ago I left my husband of 32 years.  After nearly 20 years of criticisms and put downs my spirit was broken and I could take no more.  I gave my marriage everything I could think of until I lost track of who I was anymore. I realized nothing I would ever do could measure up to impossible and changing standards - from how much peanut butter to spread on toast to how to load the dishwasher.  I'd had ENOUGH. The bruises are not visible as they are with physical abuse but they go at least as deep. Leaving was one of the most difficult decisions I have ever made; however I have not looked back.  

  

Thank you Dr. Phil! I took notes during today's show, specifically about the issues that manifest as anger. My marriage is over and I'm putting the pieces of my life back together again with some professional help.  

  

Best wishes to Grant and Kelly. I think Kelly nailed it when she said a happy working relationship is based on acceptance.  There's a line in the movie/play Shirley Valentine about a crumbling marriage where Shirley comments (this isn't verbatim but the general message) her husband used to think she was an adorable airhead, and how he just thinks she's an airhead.  Too sad. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

What's really going on Grant?

Not wearing your wedding band??  Come on.  You obviously don't want anyone to know you're married.  Are you looking for greener pastures?  Maybe someone new to torture and ridicule?  Maybe everthing that you are doing or saying to Kelly will somehow make it easier for you to leave with your mistress.  Tell her she just wasn't good enough and it's all her fault?  Poor Kelly wouldn't know what to do if SOMEONE NORMAL came her way.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

What lessons are being taught?

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I wasn't sure how to react to your post when I read it the other day. You lay out a very detailed analysis and description of what goes on behind the scenes of filming and preparing something for television or cinema. I could only think of two reasons for doing so. 

  

Do you honestly believe that your explanation of Hollywood was a shocking surprise to me, or that you were providing the missing pieces of reality that I have been unknowingly looking for? I hate to disappoint you. Star Trek is science fiction, Desperate Housewives is a very fun prime-time soap opera that airs Sunday nights, and 24, with my man Jack Bauer, is a slightly exaggerated re-enactment of real life events, and Grissom doesn't really get the DNA results back from the lab in time to solve the case before the credits role. 

  

The other possibility is that you were taking a sarcastic jab at me, trying to do so with a little flair by trying to talk down at me. My ideas are not original; they come from hearing what other REAL LIFE people have told me about their relationships and division of household labor. It might really rock your world to learn that one of these people is my wife Kelly. After the show aired in October, a number of people shared with me that they were facing similar differences in their marriages. Some people are ok with settling for just living with it; the strife, increasing arguing and hurt feelings, but I wanted to do something about it. Taking all this to Dr. Phil was a choice I made, infrequently questioned, but haven't regretted. Let me go on a tangent for just a minute, but I think the crisis of society is partly due to the absence of the personal accountability and responsibility. In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble. We had a hospital in town shut down a few years ago because people were not paying their bills for treatment they had received. There is another hospital up the street facing similar problems. So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence. I lived in Springfield, Mass. for several months where I witnessed generations of welfare dependant families living in government subsidized housing. I made a list of what I wife ought to be familiar with, because I thought those things were important. I have a similar list of things for husbands. Problems occur when fathers, mothers, wives and husbands aren't held accountable for their responsibilities. I don't think keeping a clean house, tending to kids, mending what needs to be mended, cooking dinner and having it ready for the family to sit down for together are wildly outside the realm of the expected. Frankly, I am a little concerned by your apparent thinking that it is unreasonable to expect these things.  

  

  

I provided Dr Phil a list of things that I thought a stay at home wife ought to be familiar with. I never discussed perfection or any degree of competency with these listed items - they were just general knowledge. There are libraries of books written to contain the stuff women think their male counterparts ought to know about themselves. From your post it sounds like 75 is too much for you to handle on your own and would need back up to get the rest done - what is your number? What do you feel responsible for being aware of in your role in you present relationship? Lists aren't inherently evil or bad - it is one way of putting information down so it can be shared and discussed. 

Grant - I have to say I came in at the end of the show and was interested to find that you put a clean house ahead of time spent with the children. Yes children learn from their parents, responsibility for their actions and accountability and these are very important lessons. They also learn how to cook, and clean but perhaps a more important lesson for our children to learn is how to relate to their spouse and what is actually important in a relationship. Not only do they learn acceptable behavior they learn acceptance – even when they are not perfect. Which behavior is more acceptable: ensuring that the bathroom is clean or ensuring that a three year-old child is not riding down the street unsupervised? (Where I come from an unsupervised toddler on the street would cause the police to be called, the person responsible for supervising the child would probably be arrested and the child possibly removed from the parent’s custody for.) Which is more desirable: a spotless kitchen or a child, who knows that their parent will take the time to play, read or just sit with them? What lessons are the most important for the children to learn: that a clean home and dinner on the table at a specific time is required or that when they need mom or dad that everything else will stop and they will have mom & dad’s undivided attention – for even the silliest things (and sometimes the silliest things are the most important).
 


 

Just so you know I am a mom and wife. My husband and I have been married for 19 years and we have a beautiful 14 year old daughter who is an honor student in high school. Did I stay home to raise her? No, our financial situation and my nature really didn’t allow for that. My husband went to school at night to become an Engineer for the first couple years after she was born. I am now in my 3rd year of college and we both work full time. I know that my daughter is aware that no matter what she is the most important thing… are the dishes always done every night? No. Is the laundry always folded and put away? No. Is my daughter a well bright, well behaved child on her way to a good life? In my very biased opinion yes. Is she aware that having a clean home is important? Yes. Does she think that this should take priority over everything else? Thankfully no.
 


 

The division of labor in a home is necessary… but that doesn’t mean that the husband's only labor is to bring home the money and the stay at home wife’s labor is to cover everything else. Raising the children, keeping the home tidy and being a warm, loving,supporting spouse are the responsibility of both parties. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

Marriage is More than 100%

 Okay - this is so interesting!

I am married to my second husband, who is an engineer!  He would never, never, ever take the attitude that Grant does.  First, I would have to kill him.  Too messy.

Marriage is not always 100% - 100%.  Sometimes it is more.  I am lucky - I am married to a PERSON who believes I can do anything I want and that I have the talent and skill to do so.

I was raised in the 50s no less and had parents who taught me that I could do anything that my brothers could do.  I have no sisters and could play tackle football with the best of the boys!  In fact, I was shampooing the carpets the other day, with my glass of wine in one hand, and asked him if I needed pearls and heels. :-)

We have a great marriage, we play on each other's strengths and downplay the weaknesses.  Doesn't mean we don't gripe about them.  

The important thing is, what is really important TODAY?  You cannot marry someone to change them, you cannot marry someone and make them into you, you cannot marry someone and not compromise - it won't work.  In addition, if I don't clean my house but play with my grandkids and teach them how to ride a 4-wheeler or play in the dirt, in 5 years - what will they remember?  The house or the time with Nana?

She needs to understand that everything is not her fault or responsibility and he needs to understand that he is a person with unrealistic expectations.




 
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February 21, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

Maybe he should have married his mommy

After viewing this lastest episode I was shocked that no one asked this man why he did not just marry his mommy.  Or take out an add listing his 75 requirements, perhaps he could have even "purchased" himself a robot , I mean wife. 

Did he only date his future wife for a day? One does not go from being an ultra organized perfectionist to a slob? Even with the addition of a few kids. 

Did she trick him into believing she was perfect then after the wedding suddenly change...I think not ! 

He married her the way she was now he should simply deal with the choice he has made and stop blaming his wife for his misery! 

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

Kelly get out now and run as fast as you can!

I think Grant is beyond help, especially after appearing twice now on the Dr. Phil show.  His attitude hasn't changed and neither has his body language.  Kelly is clearly working her tail off and still not living up to his expectations.  The sad thing is there are children involved who are learning that this is normal for men to treat women this way, and that a woman should just take it and keep beating her head against a wall trying to please her husband.  I honestly never thought I would support divorce until I saw Grant and Kelly on Dr. Phil.  I can't believe she still wants to be with him after all of this.  Kelly you deserve to be with someone who really knows how to love you and appreciates you. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

Grant and Kelly

Dr Phil---From my experience with angry controlling men, I think that Grant is probably never going to get "it", and it looks like Kelly doesn't get "it "either, otherwise she would be asking him to shape up or ship out.  For an excellent discussion of angry ,controlling men, please refer to Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft.  I highly recommend it for anyone involved with angry, controlling men.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:15 pm PST

Re: Wifestyles

Dear Dr. Phil:  

  

For many years I worked outside the home.  My husband and I both like a clean and orderly home, so what to do?  My husband helped me out!  He always said... Why should I sit around while you are cleaning!  He wanted to be with me so the quicker we accomplished the tasks, the more time we had together.  (We also ran our errands together as well.)   

  

Several years ago I was able to become a full-time housewife.  Now I have eight hours a day to clean, cook, run errands, etc., while my husband is working.  And I enjoy doing it!  And my husband enjoys working to provide for his family.   

  

Now here is what I think.  People are just plain selfish today.  If you love someone you should 'desire' to make an environment that is inviting - If you love someone you should be happy to work and provide the necessary things for the family that you and your mate created by choice!  What is the matter with people.  This seems an easy concept to grasp.   

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:15 pm PST

Kids grow up, but there's always dishes to be done

 I just got done watching the show about Grant and Kelly. I just don't know where to begin. . .

First of all, I am a wife and mother. I have been married for almost 3 years and we have a 14 month old son. I chose to be a stay at home Mom, though I do work a few hours a week. My job is to "be" a Mom. There are many days that my son requires more from me than other days. Don't get me wrong, I like a clean house like everyone else, but some days something has to give. The way I look at it is that my son will only experience this day once in his life.

Tomorrow, he will be a day older and I won't be able to go back and spend more time with him. If my dishes don't get done, they will still be there tomorrow. My son needs love and attention. My dishes won't come to me and tell me that they wished I read to them more when they were younger or that they wanted Mommy to play more games with them, my children will. There are those days when my son is playing happily by himself and I can get a lot done and on those days I take full advantage of those cleaning times. Also, he still naps so this is also a time when I can get chores done.

I have the best husband in the world. If something didn't get done or the house is a bit messy, he hugs me and says, "That's okay honey." He know what my priorities are. You will never find my son with a runny nose, dirty diaper, or hungry. He is the most important thing to me when I am home.  When you look back on your life, what do you want to remember? Do you want to think that your dishes were always done or that you were a good parent??

I think people lose sight of what is important. I think that Kelly is doing her best and that Grant needs to go on Wife Swap. He might realize how wonderful he really has it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. 

Those are my two cents.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:15 pm PST

Marriage Truly is a Partnership

Grant is a typical engineer who focuses on detail.  It works really well on his job, but is disasterous to a marriage.  No one wants or needs to be micro-managed. I know, I was married to the same sort of fella for 17 years.  Dr. Phil's advice is sound...points missed are (1. What effect does this harrasing of his wife have on their children? I can't help but think that they will suffer the over flow and grow up thinking that they also are NOT GOOD ENOUGH!  We really don't need any more people in this world that think that they are not good enough!   (2. Grant and his wife have lost the true friendship that generates the marriage partnership. She needs to enlist his help if he finds she cannot perform the jobs to his satisfaction.  They could watch FOOD TV, Rachel Ray has great gourmet meals made in a quick 30 minutes. I guarantee Grant will love the stuff that comes out of their kitchen! Some special time with the kids together after dinner for a walk or special movie will pave the way for happier endings in the bedroom later in the evening.  Walks are extremely relaxing as well as a safe sounding ground for light discussion of daily activities. (3. Each person needs to treat the other as their best friend.  That is the most crutial ingredient in a marriage. 

  

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