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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 5:46 pm PST

Marriage Priorities

  

After watching the show I think we are missing some of the values our grandparents and parents had when it came to marriage and family.  I remarried 2 and a 1/2 years ago and I am truly blessed. My first husband was abusive and I was too afraid not to be the perfect wife.  No I do it because I want to. I work full time have 2 children and still manage to let him know that he is the "man of the house".  I think we have to respect our partners and appreciate them for who they are as individuals before we can ever appreciate them as a spouse.   

He deployed to Iraq in October and we have become even closer than before.  Though our life is not easy, we are finding new ways to appreciate and honor each other and our vows.  I thank God everday that he gave me this gift,  an opportunity to be in a successfull marriage.  

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:48 pm PST

On being a "good wife"

Hi all, 

  

I watched both Grant and Kelly shows, and feel so sorry for them both. Long story short, I married the wrong man the first time, and tried so hard to be the perfect wife. I did it all--had a good job, did all the cleaning, cooking, bill paying, yard work, etc. and tried hard not to pressure him in any way. In the nearly 10 years we were married, he was out of work far more than he worked, and during those times I paid his child support from his past marriage. I did all I could to be perfect and to make him love me more. Well, guess what--he left me just the same, and for the same old tired reason; another and younger woman. It didn't take me long to figure out that what I was feeling was a combination of relief, outrage (after all, how could anyone leave such a wonderful person as ME?), and humiliation for not reading the obvious signs.  

  

After 4 years on my own, I ran into an old friend whom I had met 25 years ago. At that time he was getting ready to get married to my best friend's older sister, and we all ended up living a few houses away from each other for years. I watched their daughter grow up, and in fact was the first non-family member to hold her as an infant. I married and moved to TX, but through my friends kept up with everyone. His marriage ended unhappily, and he became a long-distance trucker. By the time I was divorced, his route took him through TX about once a quarter. We met once for dinner, and kept in touch. After a few more dates and a lot of talking, I found to my great surprise that we had become more than friends. That was around my 50th birthday (July), and by that November we were engaged.  

  

We've been married now for nearly 4 years, and I am so grateful and happy. With my first husband, I had loads of money, cars, big houses, lots of jewelry, fancy vacations--but no love and no partnership. These days my wonderful second husband and I are literally living on a shoestring, and are doing without a lot of things to get out of debt. But as I often tell him, if I had the choice of my old life with all that STUFF, or my new life with him--the love of my life and best friend, I'll take him each and every time! :) 

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:49 pm PST

Too much

.I am very saddened to see this relationship falling apart.  I think our nation is becoming more and more susceptible to falling apart because the majority of our homes are falling apart and we are producing insecure kids. First, I think we marry with the assumption that our spouse will complete us.  They are incapable of doing so.  They don't have a clue what our true needs are so how can we expect them to meet them all? Secondly, to be a healthy couple we have to put our spouse's needs before our own. Yes, I'm sure Kelly is overwhelmed with all her household duties and raising a young family.  I know I have 3 children who play very hard and make messes in the very room I have just cleaned.  But you know what, I wouldn't stifle their creativity and security at home for anything!  My hope is that after they play I will teach and encourage them to clean up their mess as best as they developmentally are able.  I don't want my girls to look back at their childhood and remember a clean home.  I want them to remember a peaceful home where truly could be comfortable. After all, I am raising children not a home!!
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:50 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I wasn't sure how to react to your post when I read it the other day. You lay out a very detailed analysis and description of what goes on behind the scenes of filming and preparing something for television or cinema. I could only think of two reasons for doing so. 

  

Do you honestly believe that your explanation of Hollywood was a shocking surprise to me, or that you were providing the missing pieces of reality that I have been unknowingly looking for? I hate to disappoint you. Star Trek is science fiction, Desperate Housewives is a very fun prime-time soap opera that airs Sunday nights, and 24, with my man Jack Bauer, is a slightly exaggerated re-enactment of real life events, and Grissom doesn't really get the DNA results back from the lab in time to solve the case before the credits role. 

  

The other possibility is that you were taking a sarcastic jab at me, trying to do so with a little flair by trying to talk down at me. My ideas are not original; they come from hearing what other REAL LIFE people have told me about their relationships and division of household labor. It might really rock your world to learn that one of these people is my wife Kelly. After the show aired in October, a number of people shared with me that they were facing similar differences in their marriages. Some people are ok with settling for just living with it; the strife, increasing arguing and hurt feelings, but I wanted to do something about it. Taking all this to Dr. Phil was a choice I made, infrequently questioned, but haven't regretted. Let me go on a tangent for just a minute, but I think the crisis of society is partly due to the absence of the personal accountability and responsibility. In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble. We had a hospital in town shut down a few years ago because people were not paying their bills for treatment they had received. There is another hospital up the street facing similar problems. So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence. I lived in Springfield, Mass. for several months where I witnessed generations of welfare dependant families living in government subsidized housing. I made a list of what I wife ought to be familiar with, because I thought those things were important. I have a similar list of things for husbands. Problems occur when fathers, mothers, wives and husbands aren't held accountable for their responsibilities. I don't think keeping a clean house, tending to kids, mending what needs to be mended, cooking dinner and having it ready for the family to sit down for together are wildly outside the realm of the expected. Frankly, I am a little concerned by your apparent thinking that it is unreasonable to expect these things.  

  

  

I provided Dr Phil a list of things that I thought a stay at home wife ought to be familiar with. I never discussed perfection or any degree of competency with these listed items - they were just general knowledge. There are libraries of books written to contain the stuff women think their male counterparts ought to know about themselves. From your post it sounds like 75 is too much for you to handle on your own and would need back up to get the rest done - what is your number? What do you feel responsible for being aware of in your role in you present relationship? Lists aren't inherently evil or bad - it is one way of putting information down so it can be shared and discussed. 

Ok I am a stay at home mom of 3 with a husband who works 2 jobs so that I can stay home he is currently out of the country serving in the USCG b/c on top of the 2 full time jobs he is a USCG Reservist.  I will have to say that sometimes I wish it were me going to the 2 differnt jobs b/c I am hom 24/7 with the kids and don't get to say I need a break.  The list you made was crazy and I can tell you that my list is longer than yours and I NEVER get it all done.  I cook, clean, discipline, grocery shop, change drity diapers, give baths etc...and right now I am the role of both mommy and daddy.  But I dare my husband to tell me that its not done well enough b/c I know hands down that I may not do it perfect all the time I can do a heck of a lot more all at once than he ever could, I have learned how to do 10 things at once and yes, there are days when I don't put all the laundry away or leave the dishes for the morning b/c I am just TIRED and on top of that I want to spend a few minutes of my day with my HUSBAND.  I am wondering why you don't pitch in an help organize the closets and drawers and toys since you are the one who has the problem with the location or condition they are in? Heck your wife is the one cooking why do you care where the tomatos sauce is or the spaghetti noodles are as long as she gets the food on the table.  And just a little hint my husband and I lived together for a year before we got married and I got up before him to make his lunch i did this everyday until I heard one to many complaints on what was made or packed, at that time I was working my own full time job and didnt have to be up for at least an hour and I never made his lunch again b/c why should I do something for somebody who would complain about it instead of saying thank you. You might find your wife doing nothing for you from lanundry to dinner and then how will you feel.  I know I am not perfect but think how you would feel if everytime you did something your boss or co-worker criticized it, you would eventually break your spirt would be nothing.  Just some food for thought. And one last thing what makes you think its ok not to wear your wedding band? To me that is the biggest slap in the face you have put a condition on the love you have for your wife which to me is horrible.  Even in the maddest days of my marriage I have always worn my wedding band.  I do hope you get the IT you are missing..but It is pretty obvious love you wife for who she is and what she DOES day in and day out for you to your standards or not...loosen up life is too short.  This is coming from a woman whose own mother had such expections of me that even now I cant possibly meet them I was always set up for failure and that is what you are doing to your wife. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:51 pm PST

How about husband lessons????

Dear Dr. Phil,  

  

I can not believe that Grant is serious about his wife needing lessons on how to make him happy.  I think that he needs to learn the meaning of being a husband.  In my opinion I do not think that there is a such thing as certain role's a man and woman must fullfill in a marriage.  If your love and compassion for one another is what it should be you should be able to accept one another's faults.  If he thinks that her "performance" is not up to par then she should tell him to do it his damn self.   

  

His wife seems like such a wonderful person.  Her words are sincere and you can see the pain in her eyes when these issues are discussed.  It is so sad to me.  Grant should be proud to have her as his wife and learn to appreciate her for who she is.   

  

  

 
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February 21, 2006, 5:54 pm PST

This strikes a familiar chord

I didn't catch the first show, but the follow up show was informative enough. This couple is just like my cousin and his wife. He is a control freak, and master manipulator, i.e. the wedding ring, the list, etc. His behavior has caused his wife to become a passive aggressive just like the wife profiled here, i.e. the pink kitchen curtains. My cousin is a child of alcholism, and he doesn't believe in counseling. His problem is anger, and lack of anger management just like the husband here. Anger doesn't have to appear as loud, or physically aggessive. It can appear as quiet, but very manipulative behavior. The most important point that Dr. Phil made was that the wife and children are not the problem. The husband has anger, and insecurities that he hasn't dealt with, so instead he picks at everyone but himself. It's the old story that instead of fixing me I'll fix everyone else. Everyone has this tendency sometimes. I know that when I become critical of everthing and everyone around me I have to have a V-8 moment, and stop to figure out what my problem is, because that's where it rests. I also have engineers in the family (three in fact), and they all have their organization, and personality issues, but none like the husband profiled in this show. The husband doesn't  "get it", because he doesn't think there is anything wrong with him. His facial expression did not seem sincere when professing his confusion. Unless he is willing to get some real help with discovering his anger issues then I don't think the wife should continue to be beaten down. My cousin's wife has never had any self confidence, and after years of being married to my cousin she has seriously been pounded emotionally to the point where she is heavily medicated, and is barely functioning. I don't want to see this wife become as beaten down, and spiritless as my cousin's wife. Bottom line, this relationship isn't about wifely duties, or lack there of, but problems that Grant (I just remembered his name) needs to identify within himself, and begin to make behavior modifications to deal with whatever is really making him angry.
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:56 pm PST

he's going to get IT

I just wanted to commend Grant for admitting he doesn't get it but i have faith that he will even though most of the words coming out of his mouth are hard to understand because of his foot being there i still have hope for him because he keeps trying to get "IT" and he will.
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:57 pm PST

Worn Out

Don't you see how Kelly looks defeated?  I saw her eyes wish for that perfect life that we all strive for but almost given up that reaching Grant's goals has worn her out.  I believe that even if she performs all his request to his exact specifications Grant will still not be pleased.  I don't think Grant is happy with himself.  Grant is not her employer, he is part of the household.  It is everyone's job in a household to just do what it takes to get it done.  Job assignment is not a problem but when another member is overcome then it is all of our responsibilities to help.  After all don't we all live there and is this home for all of us!  If Grant doesn't like her performance then she needs to be fired and perhaps go to work herself and put the kids in daycare and then they both will be on an equal playing field and then perhaps the household jobs could be split evenly.  A Mom who feels like she does is not even able to perform her task as a Mom in the manner that even the children deserve.  I further believe treating another human in this manner is a form of abuse and creates a smaller person than she really is.  The next act, when they are old enough, will be the children and Grant will make unacceptable request of them also.  When will Grant be the man he should?   
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:58 pm PST

Grant & Kelly--Please read

Saw the episode today but missed the first one.  This is the first time I've ever written in and commented to anyone but I admired you, Grant, for getting up there and being open about yourself and where you're at.  I've been married for 15 years, have 3 boys, a former career and have been a stay-at-home mom for 12 years.  I expect a lot from myself and my abilities to keep all the plates up in the air...what I have found is that when I try to keep things to the level of perfection that sometimes I set for myself, I have no joy, I am contantly frustrated and end up taking it out on my family.  My husband is almost never critical of any inability I might have to either get something done or do it well.  He is, however, at times critical of me when I am overly irritable or grouchy.  I have learned that "stuff" just doesn't matter as much as having a joyful spirit.  The biggest thing we have learned in our marriage is that you can't look at marriage for what your spouse can do for you or give you.  You will always be disappointed.  Putting each other's needs first isn't always the easy thing--but it's the thing that brings unity in a marriage.  It brings fulfillment to the relationship.  I never would have believed that raising three boys and staying home would be as hard as it has been.  I don't think I could even start to be a good mom if I didn't have unconditional love from my husband.  If I even for a minute thought of my job of a wife as "duties" to be performed--I'd want to quit!  My job as a wife is to love and support my husband and provide a loving home for him to come home to!  If my husband took his ring off because of his disappointments in our relationship--I think I would be devastated beyond repair.  I hope you can fully commit your love to your wife and support her emotionally.  I hope your wife can put her love for you even above the kids needs!  God Bless.
 
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February 21, 2006, 5:59 pm PST

Homemaking

Once upon a time, in the 40's and 50's daddy went to work and mommy stayed at home and took care of the home, the kids, the work at home and daddy.  In the 40's and 50's the TV shows depicted this perfect scenario. The Home Economics classes which girls were required to take told young girls how to be the good wife, be in a fresh dress, ribbons in her hair, the kids fed and quite when Daddy came home from a hard day at work.  What bunk was that? 

  

With modern conveniences to take on some of the labor intensive chores previously performed by mommy while daddy eascaped at worked on a job women have been able to join the work force.  The problem is that daddy still wants to come home from a busy day and relax as he remembered his father did while mommy served him his dinner, had his clean clothes washed and ironed ready for the next day. 

  

Well, excuse me, today Mommy works all day at a job and is just as tired if not more so than you are so get of  off your lazy  butt and help with the chores.  If you need clean sox learn how to operate the washer and dryer. There is more work to running a home than just taking out the garbage. How about learning how to run a vacuum cleaner while she is cooking your meal, or maybe you could also learn to cook. 

  

To much is expected of wives and mothers and after putting in a double shift everyday, a job and managing the home, twice the amount of time daddy works he wonders why she is to tired for sex. Give me a break. 

  

Been there done that.   

 

 
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