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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 6:09 pm PST

Grant's mental state

I would like to re-visit my last post.  In it I ventured that if his marriage fails, I question Grant's mental state in handling it.  I too sense imminent danger.  I think Grant is really walking on thin ice mentally.  (I hope not. )  I insist he needs intensive personal counselling to overcome his issues.
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:10 pm PST

Grant & Kelly

My point of view of marriage...it should be a team effort..a commitment to commit to each other. A joint effort in making the other one happy, not finding fault and if you do than you need to either communicate the fault  with your better half  and come to an equal understanding of it or deal with it within your own self and not direct your finding to the other as a controling issue. I am in love and that makes me want to show my better half that he/she is the most important person in my life not derail them and point out their faults and short comings. It only lessens my own self worth. If I couldn't say each day you are my love, my best friend and life is complete because you are a part of my life than I wouldn't see a reason to be married.
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:10 pm PST

Kelly you deserve more

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I'd like to say that Grant can change but he can't.   He is a control freak.  I was married for 21 years to a man just like him.   I wanted to tell Grant that he is not his wife's employer.   She ought to go to all those classes that he wants and let him watch the kids.   Lets see how clean his house is.  If it isn't done to his specs how about he does it himself?   Hire a cleaning service.   There are other options.   I was in therapy for a guy like that and they don't change.   If you start to clean some rooms super clean then they just move on to nag about other things.  It isn't about the clean room, it is about total control of another human being.   His wife looked miserable.   Her eyes were hurt.  It is too late for them.
I too was married to a man similar to Grant for 25 years.  They don't and won't  "get it", because they are not hurting.  They are right, the rest of us are wrong.  Kelly seems so loving, fun, giving and understanding.  She needs to give up on helping him "get it"  She has to realize how great she is "just as she is".  Life can be so much more fun for her.  She deserves sooo much more.  I can't explain how great life is when you have your self back.  I gave up some material comforts and a secure future but it was so worth it!  I have absolutely no regrets at all except that it took me 25 years to realize that the problem was not me.  These guys will still try to control us after the marriage ends.  It is still hard and frustrating but the ability to be my authentic self and love myself again is such a great feeling.  I am like Robyn...I crack myself up... and love my life now.  Being alone is so much better than being lonely and married!
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:11 pm PST

Good for you, Kelly

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I giggled at my husband Grant on the show because he says the most outrageous things and I am really appreciative that he is willing to say to Dr. Phil, the same things that I hear here at home.   I think it takes a certain amount of courage on his part to be so vocal. He knows he is not going to recieve a standing ovation. It is nice for me to be so publicly validated. I appreciate it more than you know. There is nothing funny about the disharmony in our home, however, Grant has a funny sense of humour that I do appreciate. When he corrected Dr. Phil in counting the items on the list-I knew he was trying to be humerous before he got nailed to the wall. I recognized that and I appreciated the positive attitude as opposed to an immediate defense.  I recognize that Grant is trying, and because of the efforts I see, I am trying too.  I am a FLYLADY.com addict now. Things are not magically better because we appeared on the show. In fact the work that the show has us do has even been more disrupting than I would have initially thought.  Professionals say that is what happens when you really start digging into a problem. From my point of view, I am shocked that Dr. Phil was able to rock my husband's boat. The show was far from a joke, and my husband and I take it very serioiusly. I could have cried the whole time. I was so scared that I could of. I could have fought and made a list of my own.  I don't think that would have helped.  I tried to be positive-and I feel hope. That is a good thing right??  I love my husband and I have 3 children 4 and under.  I want to enjoy this relationship much much more!
You sound like a really wonderful, supportive wife.  I hope your husband finds a way to get "it" because if he doesn't with you, then he will never find any happiness.  I know what it's like to have 3 kids, a house to take care of, a marriage to maintain with an engineer (my husband is one also, and tends to overdo the logic thing - oy), and still find a little time for yourself.  I know it must be hard for you to hear all the criticisms of the man you are in love with, but he did bring it upon himself.  Please, don't allow yourself to be so overshadowed, that you lose your true essence of being Kelly - you are unique in the universe, as are all of us.  I wish you well.
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:13 pm PST

Blah, Blah, Blah

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There does seem to be a lot of talk about husbands needing to twist and turn to meet the emotional needs of their female spouse. When a man proposes that his wife isn't meeting the intimacy part of the bargain, all we hear about is equal treatment, roles, housework, blah blah blah.
 As a former wife, current wife, former single mom, and the perfect wife for my husband, I am so sorry that you are making these comments.

It shows you are not willing to try, where apparently Kelly is, to change.  How sad.

Your children are being affected whether you know it or not.

You are not meeting her needs for support and understanding.  It's all about you.

Really, what would your own mother say?
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:14 pm PST

Taking things for

While watching the Grant and Kelly show, it was profoundly clear that Grant's expectations did not include Grant being an interactive part of the equation. His expectations for her rambled on and on, but never did anyone say anything about him helping--with the children, with the house, with anything within the house.  

  

From the film work included, it certainly looked as though they have a very nice home, reasonably ordered. And, she cooks!  

  

This marriage might be better if they lived in separate dwellings. Kelly could then celebrate relating with the people in her life; he with the "things." 

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:15 pm PST

Completely Unacceptable

My opinion remains unchanged - This marriage should be dissolved. Kelly and Grant need individual psychological counseling. 

  

  

Grant’s general demeanor, subtle and overt behaviors, and the content and presentation of his messages indicate that he is unwilling to resolve any issues. 

  

  

Life and relationships are about facts and experience, not peeves and delusions. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 6:15 pm PST

Wifestyles

    Interesting show today.

Grant & Kelly, you both have a lot of internal searching and understanding to do.  Kelly seems to want to make the marriage work  but I'm not too sure about Grant.  Grant - why do you want Kelly to change and "who" are you hoping she will become?  You choose to not wear the wedding ring you accepted with vows that most likely said in good times and bad.  What is the real reason?  This is a HUGE RED FLAG!   I hope you both are getting individual counseling along with marriage/relationship counseling.

What is the role of a wife today?  Pretty much the same as it has always been, to be a partner with the husband in accomplishing life.  What is accomplishing life?  It can be raising children, running a business, leading a country, it is what ever the couple has as a goal.  Plus, I hope, that the husband & wife are friends and therefore would want to work on keeping that friendship.

Today the role of the wife or husband is not so set in stone as years gone by.  Today, some couples choose to reverse the traditional roles and that works for them.  Some choose to follow the traditional roles.  What is important is that the couple discuss and compromise their individual opinions and come to a joint decision.  The role of a wife has never been 2nd place to the husband.  Both the husband and wife should be serving each other.
 
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February 21, 2006, 6:15 pm PST

Did you miss the boat?

I had to tune in late today, but from what I saw about husband who expected perfection, I think you, Dr. Phil, might have missed the boat.  I, too, had a husband who expected way too much from a wife who worked as much as he did and had a brand new baby.  While my husband was in bed asleep, I was still up unloading the dishwasher and folding clothes.  A few weeks into his belittling, nagging statements, it hit me and I told him.  Until he did some laundry, did some dishes, cooked some meals, did anything to help around the house, he had absolutely NO right to say a single word to me about any of it.  Ten years later, I've only had to remind him once. 

  

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February 21, 2006, 6:16 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I wasn't sure how to react to your post when I read it the other day. You lay out a very detailed analysis and description of what goes on behind the scenes of filming and preparing something for television or cinema. I could only think of two reasons for doing so. 

  

Do you honestly believe that your explanation of Hollywood was a shocking surprise to me, or that you were providing the missing pieces of reality that I have been unknowingly looking for? I hate to disappoint you. Star Trek is science fiction, Desperate Housewives is a very fun prime-time soap opera that airs Sunday nights, and 24, with my man Jack Bauer, is a slightly exaggerated re-enactment of real life events, and Grissom doesn't really get the DNA results back from the lab in time to solve the case before the credits role. 

  

The other possibility is that you were taking a sarcastic jab at me, trying to do so with a little flair by trying to talk down at me. My ideas are not original; they come from hearing what other REAL LIFE people have told me about their relationships and division of household labor. It might really rock your world to learn that one of these people is my wife Kelly. After the show aired in October, a number of people shared with me that they were facing similar differences in their marriages. Some people are ok with settling for just living with it; the strife, increasing arguing and hurt feelings, but I wanted to do something about it. Taking all this to Dr. Phil was a choice I made, infrequently questioned, but haven't regretted. Let me go on a tangent for just a minute, but I think the crisis of society is partly due to the absence of the personal accountability and responsibility. In the parenting and family magazines that I read, the era of the 1950's is frequently used as a comparison to the domestic 'health' of families today. In a way, I am suggesting that if something worked then it should be used today. Technology doesn't fall into this category; I'm an engineer. Having Mom at home when the kids came home from school kept them out of trouble, doing their homework and keeping an eye on who they were associating with. Crime statistics, teen pregnancies, drop-out rates, gang violence, drug usage by teens, etc..., are indicators to me that more of the same 'laid-back or hands-free parenting' is only going to get us into more trouble. We had a hospital in town shut down a few years ago because people were not paying their bills for treatment they had received. There is another hospital up the street facing similar problems. So, where am I headed with this - let me tell you. Kids learn from their parents, and parents that do not accept their responsibilities will probably raise kids that simply rely on the government systems to further their own existence. I lived in Springfield, Mass. for several months where I witnessed generations of welfare dependant families living in government subsidized housing. I made a list of what I wife ought to be familiar with, because I thought those things were important. I have a similar list of things for husbands. Problems occur when fathers, mothers, wives and husbands aren't held accountable for their responsibilities. I don't think keeping a clean house, tending to kids, mending what needs to be mended, cooking dinner and having it ready for the family to sit down for together are wildly outside the realm of the expected. Frankly, I am a little concerned by your apparent thinking that it is unreasonable to expect these things.  

  

  

I provided Dr Phil a list of things that I thought a stay at home wife ought to be familiar with. I never discussed perfection or any degree of competency with these listed items - they were just general knowledge. There are libraries of books written to contain the stuff women think their male counterparts ought to know about themselves. From your post it sounds like 75 is too much for you to handle on your own and would need back up to get the rest done - what is your number? What do you feel responsible for being aware of in your role in you present relationship? Lists aren't inherently evil or bad - it is one way of putting information down so it can be shared and discussed. 

I seldom watch Dr. Phil but somehow managed to catch two shows with Grant and Kelly on.  I don't know how many shows they have been on to date.  I could take sides in this but I won't because I don't believe that will help the situation, instead, I choose to share from my heart and 31 years of marriage.   I think everyone has lists of expectations, at least I do and sometimes our expectations are unreasonable.  In 1979 my husband had to take over doing my jobs as a stay-at-home parent because I was hospitalized.  After two weeks he came to me and told me he appreciated the effort I put into the house and family.  He actually created a list of all the jobs I did daily, weekly, and monthly, then he found out what he would have to pay if he hired people to do those jobs.  His total anticipated expenditures (based on his own list) was $70,000.00.  He figured he would have to earn an extra $70,000.00 dollars to hire people to do the work I was doing at home.   I found this interesting especially since he only made about 10,000.00 a year in 1979.  It felt wonderful to know that he realized the effort and work I contributed to the family even tho I was not paid for it.  My husband and I are very responsible, accountable people.  People know they can count on us but even with the level of responsibility and accountability we demonstrate, it is not GOOD ENOUGH for our families.  Our families always find something we fail them in BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING THEY WANT US TO DO, OR NOT DOING SOMETHING THE WAY THEY WANT IT DONE.  Perfect is never good enough because when perfection is achieved, then resentment sets in because the person is perfect.  An "A" in school should have been and "A+".  An A+ finally earned is discounted as the teacher "gave you that grade".  I remember what the non-"A' kids called the "A" kids and they said the names out of jealously, and other emotions.  The truth is, there is nothing to expect beyond perfection.  If I really wanted to get philosophical, each human being is already a perfect human being because humans are flawed creatures by virtue of free will.  Too high of expectations achieved leaves those of us with high expectations with a dissatisfied "not good enough" attitude, critical spirits, poorly defined and vaguely specified definition of our expectations leaving those we expect a lot from loosing heart, giving up, feeling despised, and feeling like love and acceptance are only GRANTED if they perform the right dance with all the right steps but never being shown or told what the steps are.   I have high expectations of people and especially of myself.  Sometimes I fall short of my own expectations-then I really get mad.  I can truthfully say this: not all expectations are right or realistic, or reasonable and I know for myself that my anger at not getting what I think I should get or deserve (whether from myself or someone else) sometimes results from unrealistic expectations on my part.   I am not surprised or shocked by Grant and Kelly.  I see "them" ( you two) all the time.  Grant and Kelly, but especially Grant, I hope you learn that it takes both the husband and the wife making positive contributions to make the marriage pleasurable while It only takes one of you making negative contributions to destroy it.
 
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