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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 22, 2006, 12:00 am PST

MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU

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Grant and my husband are very similar - it is either their way or the wrong way. I have been with him slightly longer than Grant and Kelly have been together, and I can tell you, it's not going to change. It may get better for a while, but then it will swing back to the same old behaviors. It is a comfort level. I looked at these two and thought, "If they could only remember what brought them together in the first place", but then I thought about my own marriage, and realize the person I was 10 years ago is just a pale shadow of who I am now. I am not that 26 year old, single college grad - now I am a 37 year old mother of 2. The fire and passion that brought my husband and I together has settled into routine of me running my own licensed daycare all day, then having my own kids from sun up to well past sundown, and my husband either working, or working out. When he criticizes the house, I just remind him that the "maid service" (tongue in cheek) didn't make it today, and he wants it any better, then remember why God gave men the same two hands he gave women. So, in other terms, often the house isn't as clean and organized as either of us would ideally like. Will it change - probably not because something would have to give. He has been a workaholic from the time we got married, and I have always been with the children. It has nothing to do with "his roles" and "her roles", as much as it has to do with what is important to the individual. If it is having a clean, perfectly organized house #1- have a cat, not two kids and #2 - do it yourself. Unless of course, Grant's issue is one of "those that can do, teach or belittle)". If something is important enough to you, then you will make sure it gets done, even if that means doing it yourself. If not, then it really isn't that important in the first place.

U SOUND LIKE A STRONG ,INDEPENDENT WOMAN AND I AM SORRY THAT U AREN'T VALUED AS MUCH AS U SHOULD BE . 

  

HEATHER  

 
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February 22, 2006, 12:05 am PST

Strike

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I guess I just don't understand.  I have this same problem to some extent.......Like Kelly I have a husband who makes me feel that I just don't do enough or enough to please him.  Our biggest fights are over household issues like the laundry and the daily chores.  Please someone tell me where the line is.  I can understand a husband expecting certain things from his wife if her primary role is to stay at home and take care of the house and children.  I can understand the expectation that things will be done just like any other job.  In my situation I am a full time Police Officer with three small children.  I work a lot as does my husband.  It seems that he expects me to  take care of everything at home like i am a stay at home mom.  It is hard for me to know what my actual role should be and if he should expect these things of me or should he understand that I am a working mother and the duties of the house should be fifty fifty.  I feel like I am failing all the time, whether it is my children because I have so much to do at home that I don't have time to spend with them or my husband because the house is not immaculate.  Our house is always clean, just gets a little cluttered from the kids.  Someone give me some ideas on what I should do??????:)  my marriage seems to be at stake here!!!
Perhaps a home strike is in order? You are also working a fulltime job, so where is it written that you also have to do all the housework?  Was there some small print on the marriage certificate that you missed?  I think not!   When I am at home then I usually do most of the housework, but when I work outside the home, then forget it!  I also have my hobbies, interests, and other things I want to do.  He helps or it doesn't get done. 

I am sorry, if my husband had to tell me how and when to do housework, I would do the complete opposite.   My job as a wife and mom, is to love my husband and children, and sometimes that means doing a spot of housework, a bit of cooking, but mostly it means spending time with them.  If one partner expects the other to do everything, then they are selfish, and one has to question how much they care and love their life's mate.

Hey, good luck!   Hope it works out for you. 
 
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February 22, 2006, 12:06 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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I keep reading about these people who say because Grant is an Engineer it somehow gives him the right or an excuse or somehow explains away his actions against Kelly. 

  

Grant is Abusing Kelly.  Straight up!  She should not allow this to continue.  If need be she should leave him. 

  

My brother in law is an engineer and he does not in any way act like Grant.  He works 50/50 with my sister.  They are not perfect.  But they have communication, respect, shared partnership, sympathy, love etc.  All the things that make a REAL relationship tick. 

  

Just because your spouse is an engineer does not give them the right to contorl and abuse their spouse.  And being an engineer is not necessarily a precursor for disrepectful, controlling, demanding, abusive behavior. 

  

ex marine wife 

 no it does not give him the right.  It is to try to explain to someone like you about his personallity.  Come on, you used the phrase straight up........   there is no 50/50   it should be 100/100
 
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February 22, 2006, 12:08 am PST

:)

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I've been married for seven years now and have found there is no "ONE" right or correct answer to a perfect marriage.  All of us come into a marriage with expectations, hopes, and dreams most of the time finding out marriage isn't quite what we expected.

  

 

 

  

 

I was fortunate and married as close to the perfect wife as there may be. Not a day goes by that I don't appreciate her efforts at home. She has chosen to be a stay at home mom and raise our two children. As she chose this lifestyle WE had to learn how to cope with the lifestyle change and the potential loss of income. WE had to learn what BALANCE was, because balance began to mean two completely different things to both of us as I worked and she stayed home.  I found that there was individual BALANCE, and BALANCE within the marriage.

  

 

 

  

 

Individual Balance to me meant trying to find time to spend with the kids, focus on career progression, and health improvement.  Balance to my wife meant keeping the house somewhat in order, raising two beautiful children, and finding time for herself.  Then, there was Balance within the marriage. WE had to come together and find time to be parents, and find time to continue to work on our marriage to keep it healthy, vibrant, and worth keeping. We find our moments at some of the oddest times, but when we do, we COMMUNICATE as efficiently as possible to work out the kinks and progress forward.

  

 

 

  

 

The bottom line is, as time moves forward we have learned that marriage is nothing like we really expected. It is more exciting and challenging than anything we have ever done before. I sincerely hope that the couple on the show today learn how to communicate, that they learn how to balance their life and most of all, they learn that their marriage belongs to them and that they are allowed to set the boundaries wherever they want. She can work or....not, he can clean and wear an apron....,but most importantly they are accountable only to themselves and their children and NO ONE else.

  

 

 

  

 

I wish them the best of luck as they fix their marriage.

  

 

  

 I am so glad to  hear someone be so positive.  You are a wonderful person.
 
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February 22, 2006, 12:10 am PST

Unbelievable

  

I watched for the first time the dialogue between Grant and Kelly, arbitrated by Dr. Phil and his observations. I was discouraged that Grant believes and feels justified in degrading his wife by associating her worth with activities. This is a cultural phenomena in which women are not acknowledged as worthy or valued for our tremendous contribution. In my opinion, marriage is the union of two souls that share love, hope and the future with which to build a life. The jobs that Kelly is expected to fulfill are unreasonable, unfair and show no respect for her as a person. I watched in amazement that Grant didn't get that. Sadly, he is an example of why so many marriages fail. Women and men must be accountable for the precious soul they promise to love and cherish. I believe that breaking or crushing the spirit of your loved one has its consequence not to mention the lesson you are teaching your children. A relationship is not to be evaluated, measured by the yardstick of criticism and observed through the eyes of someone's negative expectation. Is marriage a bootcamp? Apparently to Grant. People are not robots nor does our human and emotional element respond to robotic commands. Once again, it reflects the value and worth we place on women and their role. 

  

I acknowledge the comments made by those who say perhaps Kelly is not meeting expectations. I feel that is not the issue. The issue is that he doesn't value her worth as a wife, friend, lover and soulmate. Love doesn't focus on faults and how many times you miss the mark. No one is perfect. But I truly felt that Kelly has a commitment to her marriage and trying to please her husband despite his unreasonable demands. I believe she sees the big picture on contrast to her husband. The house and its respective chores are not more important than your children and priorities with them. Kelly's choices are realistic and exactly what most women who stay at home do. We try our best each day to tackle many activities. Someday's are good and flow like clockwork and others are out of synch. For Grant to criticize the most trivial issues and miss the successes, efforts and love that Kelly demonstrates daily  is criminal.  

  

Who made Grant Godlike? I dare say noone..I do admire that he went on the show and I also admire Kelly's response to Amy. If she didn't have a commitment and desire for her marriage to be successful, she would not have aired these most personal issues on nationwide television. 

Hang in there Kelly. You are a gem among women. You have tried and keep on trying. My hat goes off to your strength and love for your husband. Even though he doesn’t see that yet. I hope your issues can be resolved. It takes two to make a marriage work, in good and bad times. It takes only one to make it break apart.  

  

I also admire Dr. Phil’s approach and method of reasoning. I became so discouraged after many remarks Grant made. I felt negative towards him and his expectations. However, Dr. Phil maintained a positive approach giving him a chance to express his side. 

  

 
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February 22, 2006, 12:24 am PST

No ring, Grant does not know how to love

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The only reason no wedding band is a big deal is because of Grant's motives for not wearing it. My husband tried to wear his ring for the first couple months we were married, he hated it. 10 years later we are still very happy and he doesn't wear a ring. Commitment is more than a band. My sister's husband broke his band doing some construction work and she had a new one on his finger before you could blink. I just don't see the big deal. I lost my ring and now have a new band, I wear it most the time, but I don't care and neither does my husband when my finger is naked, because we are both secure with each other to know a ring doesn't make  a marriage.

Grant is definitely sending a signal to Kelly by not wearing his wedding ring.  I DON'T WANT TO BE MARRIED!!!! 

  

If Grant thinks that if Kelly turns into the Stepford Wife he desires that he will be satisfied, WRONG... 

  

Some people are void of emotion and truly do not know how to give and receive love.  Kelly is a doll and should think about ending this marriage so that she can find a man who is capable of giving her the love that she so desperately craves and she will be able to return that love.  Loving this man is a waste of time, he doesn't have a clue as to the meaning of support, respect, acceptance and most of all love.  He's a sad case for sure. 

  

I know Grant, I was married to a man just like him and when our children got older they would disappear as soon as he walked through the door.  The only one in the family who tolerated him was the dog, but that ended when he tried to hit me when I filed for divorce after 18 years of suffering. 

  

Grant has destroyed Kelly's spirit, you can see it in her expression and in her eyes. 

 
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February 22, 2006, 12:30 am PST

Respondsibility

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Oh' my god................... 

This can't be true... please tell me it's not true. If I don't stack my dishes in the correct and proper manner my children will become just another statistic? They will be welfare dependant and living in subsidized housing? 

Well, we can't have that now can we..............master? 

I agree with what you are saying about being respondsible and being a good example to our children.  But being a stay at home mom, I am often having to look at the big picture of my childs life.  Will she remember that I didn't play with her because I was cleaning house. I think that being a committed mother and wife is essential in fostering a child who is well adjusted, confident and respondsible for their own actions and life choices. I also feel that if I am not plugged into my daughter because I am under so much pressure to have a spotless house, I will miss many opportunities to teach and grow her.   My husband and I share the same conflicts as you do.  I see resentment in him at times when it appears that I did not "do anything" during the day while he was off working so very hard.   I also know that much of what I do, in home schooling and meeting other respondsibilities  doesn't seem evident to him when he comes home because they are "invisible chores".  he wants to know, when he comes in the door that I have worked very hard all day and have taken his needs into consideration.  As a wife, my biggest priority should be to love him unconditionally, to tell him how proud I am of him and to let him know that his needs matter to me.  To display to him that his needs and desires are not ignored because I am so wrapped up in mothering.  So, when he comes home and I have tidied the house and have dinner in the works, he feels like I am holding up my end of the work load and it makes him feel more appreciated and not taken for granted or advantage of.  One more thing.  The issue over not wearing a wedding ring.  Teach your children about  being respondsible and about committment by wearing it.  It show's them, your wife, and the world that no matter how things are going, you are committed to your marraige and family.   My wedding ring represents a life long commitment to stick with it no matter what.  It is hard work, but there is little that is more satisfying, rewarding and secure then to know we are 100% committed to our marraige and family, even when the house isn't up to snuff.  Just love her and the peices will come together.
 
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February 22, 2006, 12:53 am PST

Perfect Does Not Exist

As we all know - marriage is a partnership.  To expect one spouse to meet the others expectations is unrealistic.  There is no such thing as perfect, so....why would anyone marry a person and expect them to change and meet expectations after the fact.  Either you love them for what they are or you don't.   

  

In this 'day and age' it usually takes two incomes to make it.  If one partner wants certain things to be certain ways, he or she needs to "do it yourself". Don't tell your spouse what to do, do it yourself!  Marriage is not a form of slavery.  

  

If one partner makes enough to pay all of the bills, then they need to make enough to pay for a housekeeper and/or nanny to meet their expectations.  Pitching in helps more and gets you the appreciation you crave. 

  

No one can have it all.   Be Realistic -  this guy needs to do some time in her reality. Put him on a reality show where he has to do her job and she can disappear if she feels like it (without her wedding ring).  I'd like to see him submit to his own expectations.   

 
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February 22, 2006, 12:57 am PST

He did that!

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 Why don't you teach the guy the only way ---he'll learn.  Have him do it for a week or so and then be critical of all his short comings.   The woman is so broke down she actually believes this pain in the butt of a man (?) (man I mean.....he's not)  His parents must have treated him this way?  Is his father in the military I wonder?   This guy doesn't know how lucky he is that she is still with him.  And what about the kids, the next generation will continue this way of life.....please no.  stop this couple before they reproduce this in their kids marriage 10 years down the road.    And the wedding rind off, what a crock...   what kind of flag does this woman need????   

The show had Grant do Kelly's job for one day during the first session that they were on.  He did not do very well and was exhausted at the end of the day.  I remember that the dishes were piled in the sink, the dinner was thrown together, and the house was not tidy.  The children were unruly.  It did no good because his issues are not about the work that she does, or how she does it.  It is about power and control.  He has self -esteem issues that are fed through his controlling and berating her.  I don't think that he loves her in the conventional sense at all.  It is beyond his scope.  He is all about the appearance of perfection, but there is no substance.  My guess is that he does not want a divorce because that would be proof that his life isn't perfect.  He then stays with her and resents her.  However, he refuses to wear the ring because he knows that it means something to her, and he can use it to pressure her to "performance excellence".    

I wonder what her family/friends think of their relationship.  Surely they see the interaction. 

 
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February 22, 2006, 1:23 am PST

A Compromising Team

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My husband and I see marriage as a team - we are on the same team with the same goals so we help each other.  We have traditional roles but, it goes a long way when he unloads the dishwasher in the morning as I get the kids ready!  I think the traditional '50's role of wife is not one that provided much satisfaction to the majority of women but at that time women did not expect more or speak up about it.  If your husband grew up with this traditional model, in today's world, it is not compatable with how most women view themselves.  Maybe Grant doesn't get "it" because the only model of marriage he knows is the traditioanl one.  I think Grant and Kelly should do a role reversal for two days.  He should be filmed and graded.  Let's see how thoroughly he cleans and cooks with two little ones under foot, riding naked up the street.  Kelly has no motivation to please him when he is so critical.  She is incredibly patient! 
My husband and I have been married almost 25 years and have always shared all the chores, even raising the babies.  At certain times I worked full time, part time, was in school full time, and spent many years at home with our girls.  No matter what my work situation was, my husband always pitched in, because he knew one important fact.  IF MOMMA ISN'T HAPPY, AIN'T NOBODY HAPPY. He understood that if I was stressed, our children would feel it too.  And even now that the girls are out of the house, he still helps.  Marriage is 100% both ways.  Grant you need to learn to not sweat the small stuff, it's not worth it.
 
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