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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 22, 2006, 5:14 am PST

Wife/Mother

  

I wonder does Grant realize that it can be a delicate balance between being a mother of young children and "keeping up the house".  I applaude Kelly for making it known that she makes choices to do activities with their children rather than keeping a perfect house. The children are far more inportant than chores. Kelly maybe realizes that the children will only be that young once and they need the mothering that she is trying to provide for them.  Grant could also spend some of the energy he puts into wanting the house clean to either assist her in cleaning or spend more time with the children so that Kelly can do more chores sometimes.  Sometimes if you want it done a certain way its best to just do it yourself. 

 
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February 22, 2006, 5:15 am PST

Grant, Asperger's?

Grant, Asperger's?I would like to propose that Grant has mild Asperger's Syndrome. Dr. Phil did a feature on neurological disorders, with an angry young man with AS. I wouldn't want that to be America's last, best view of AS. I have 2 sons with AS. One is an engineering major, the other is still in school in special ed. They both are non-violent, have friends, good sense of humor, and function very well in society. And, I may be looking at the world with Asperger's eyes, but I think Grant has high functioning Asperger's, too. First, Grant an engineer. Many AS people go into engineering, as my son is, because it's so clear & easy to understand. AS people enjoy finding out how things work. Nothing is a matter of taste, opinion, fashion, or feeling. Things work the way they are supposed to, or not. Second, he's a concrete thinker. If Grant can't see it, touch it, etc., he's not sure what it to make of it. Hence his utter confusion about what his wife wants... what is 'it?' He judged dinners, not on taste, but on the fact that it was out of a box or something. The obsession of things being organized, clean, furniture in place, etc. Things that can be quantified. Not on home feeling warm & inviting, comfortable, happy... ephemeral qualities, he can't grasp.Third, and probably most telling, Grant can't understand how other people (his darling wife) feel. Why he can barely tell how he feels about his wedding ring. He can explain his thought process, and how he got to certain decisions, but feelings are not in his vocabulary.These things alone, don't define a full blown case of Asperger's. And Grant has many abilities that clearly point away from this: good eye contact, good conversational skills, seems to read facial expressions well, no evident repetitive behavior or language, good sense of humor. If Grant is Asperger's light, Kelly would do best to take his critisism with a grain of salt. She should know that he is neurologically impared, and change will come with difficulty, if at all. And knowing that, she can make a decision to stay or go. AS people can function in society, marry, parent, but will never be warm, fuzzy people. Accept that, and a lot of the pieces will fall into place.I don't think Grant is an ass at all. I think he has very mild Asperger's Syndrome, and loves & understands Kelly as much as he is capable of.
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:23 am PST

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 I have been through a marriage and got treated with no respect and got controlled not just by my husband but his family as well.  I was never good enough and so I moved on after five years of hell.
I have a boyfriend similar to Grant and I will not be put in that place anymore so I speak back and tell Ben I can do what I want the way I want.
After five years of breaking up and being togather again, Ben has changed in that factor some.
What Grant is doing is wrong and it makes his wife feel low self esteem and who would want to put anything on fancy or sexy if you get treated in the way his wife is getting treated.  Grant is angry at something, maybe his past , maybe something happened in his child hood that he never has let go.
Some men want so much attention and want this perfect or that done or you looking great.
I have two girls and one is crippled in a wheel chair the rest of her life. I have lived with this since she was born.  I work, take care of childern and do extra by feeding, dressing , bathing, etc for Katie.  Find room for Ashley. Then clean house and do chores.  So no way in possible is my house perfect or the laundry done and I am tired at night.  Sometimes I try hard to find time to be with ben alone but it is hard.  So Grant get real and start loving your family before it is to late and they are gone.  What you have is a family that wants your love not your hostilty, sit and play a game or take your wife on a weekend get away and stop the hurtful things you do. Mary
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:24 am PST

Just a Few Thoughts

When I saw the promos for the show, I thought I'd hate Grant, but I didn't hate him at all.  He's frustrated because he can't make Kelly be like  he wants.  I think we all struggle with that to some degree.  I've been married for 5 years.  While this is a simple thing, I used to argue with my husband all the time over how he drove. We fought regularly when we got in the car. It took me two years to realize that he wasn't going to change this behavior, and it also took me two years to realize that it wasn't really hurting anyone that he drove that way.  What I started to do when I rode with him is not watch his driving.  I look out the side window instead, and now we don't fight about it.  OK, I realize this is a silly little thing, but it works.  It wouldn't work, however, if the way he drove really was dangerous, but it wasn't.  I think the same might be true with Kelly.  Grant isn't thrilled with what she's doing, but it isn't really bad or dangerous or damaging.  It just isn't the way Grant likes it.  If what Kelly was doing was hurting their children or him in any real way, I would say fight for the change, but because it isn't, perhaps Grant should find some way to look out the side window.  Again, I realize that's probably an oversimplified way to look at it, but it works with me and my husband.  Let me also point out that my husband has to look the other way on many annoying habits I have.  We spend a lot of time laughing at and with each other over all the stuff that annoys us about each other.  With this lighter attitude about our own lack of perfection, we become a sort of team when it comes to fixing the things that we can and want to fix.  But the key is the lighter attitude about it.  We enjoy our flaws, but we still work to fix them.  In the meantime, we still get to like who we are.  So, for the things that don't really matter, I choose to look out the other window, and for the stuff that we do really want to change, we work on it together while still enjoying the people we are in that moment.  There will always be something to fix.  We'll never be a completed product.  That's truly what I love about both myself and my marriage.    

 
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February 22, 2006, 5:27 am PST

Dr. Phil scratched the surface, missed the core

 The core issue here appears to me to be a lack of reaching personal expectiations.  He transfers his frustration with himself toward his wife.  I have seen this rampant in my family.  It is so much easier to be critical of someone else to distract you from your own shortcomings.  His standards are so high, if you asked him if he reaches him own expectations, I think he would say no.  This looks to me to be a case of  "I can't fix me but I can fix her".   And Kelly  has been too ready to let him act out his frustrations.  The real issue here is not the marriage, the real issue here is getting to the reasons for his lack of personal self esteem.  I am a handwriting analyst and this is not an uncommon trait.  I would put money on a handwriting analysis nailing his core issue.  I could also show him how to change his handwriting and change his behavior by reprograming his perceptions.
Lots of ways to skin a cat, but some are easier than others.  He would "get it" if he had some grapho-therapy counseling.  Dr. Phil you may contact me if you want further information.
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:36 am PST

grant and kelly

Grant needs to get "it" before it's too late.  He is very fortunate to have a beautiful and intelligent woman to be his wife and the mother of his children.  I think too many people focus on themselves and what they want or need.  A marriage should be 50/50 in as many ways as possible.  Grant needs to appreciate what Kelly does instead of focusing on what she dosen't do.  He needs to sit down and think of how life would be without her and if he would be able to accomplish what she does on his own.  I was widowed at the age of 34.  It's very hard to run a house and have a career by yourself.  They should take that list of 70 ways to be a house wife and tear it up.  Make a new list about how to have a good marriage.  Love, respect and appreciate each other everyday. 

 
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February 22, 2006, 5:36 am PST

Wife/mother

I can remember the first year of our marriage. My husband would fold up his dirty laundry and I would throw my in the basket. He would hang up all the clothes he could and I would put it in the drawer if it fit. One day we were sharing the bathroom and he went nuts! over my not squeezing the toothpaste at the end. After he was done yelling I slowly grabed the tube of toothpaste and squeezed it at the end and placed it back on the shelf and smiled. He looked at me dumbfounded and I walked away. He never yelled at me about my cleaning habits again.
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:40 am PST

What was Amy thinking?

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I spoke briefly with Amy after the show. She has her act together, and she is sincere. 

She speaks from her personal experience, just like a lot of the people that post messages here are doing. I think the producers hand selected her to give her point of view because she is credible. She has an interesting story and I hope she gets a chance to share it. 

We'll I'm sorry she has to have a screw loose.  If her story is so interesting she should have told it on television.  Was she also understanding to the fact that he didn't wear his wedding ring because he had resentment towards her because the house wasn't clean enough for him?  I think Kelly should grade the sex like he grades the meals.  He might be surprised. Give me a break.
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:42 am PST

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Grant, 

  

You could be right.   

  

RIGHT out of your mind 

RIGHT out of your bed 

RIGHT out of your home 

RIGHT out of your childrens lives 

  

SO DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT?? OR DO YOU WANT TO BE HAPPY?? 

  

The choice is yours MR. RIGHT 

  

Terry 

I'm surprised with the audiences response, let alone the response on this board, that you really think that you're right. I think you'd better get out of your engineering mind while you're home, that is if you truely want to fix your marriage. Also, how would you feel if Kelly decided that she didn't feel right about wanting to wear her wedding rings, just something she couldn't explain, but you know how that is. I'm beginning to think that you are using all this as an excuse and that married life isn't for you at all. As far as Amy goes, I imagine that she's got a few things that need fixed in her relationship also. We haven't heard from her husband, if she has one. Dr. Phil needed a break after an hour with you, I can't imagine how Kelly must feel living with such an anal retentive person all the time. She should have a medal.
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:44 am PST

Business or marriage

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First of all, I have to say I attended this particular show as a live audience member.  And I watched the original Grant and Kelly episode months earlier.   

  

It brought back thoughts to my corporate experience, the term "operational definition".  If, as Dr. Phil says, everything is negotiated (including relationships), then operational definition can be a useful tool in almost any setting.  It is repeatable, understandable, has a "yes" or "no" answer and, in most cases, can be agreed upon by both parties.  If the terms are specific.   

  

As an engineer, Grant should understand that there are two types of data.  Variable and attribute.  Variable is when you have a light dimmer or sound control on the t.v.   It is variably controlled gradually.  Attribute data is binary --  yes or no, on or off.  Did you do something or not?  In a marriage, you definitely need some "bumper room".   Does loading the dishwasher correctly mean all plates are facing in the same direction with all like-sized plates in graduating order?  Does the furniture placed correctly mean perpendicular placement of a sofa x-inches from the wall.   Exactly what does it mean to fold clothes correctly? 

  

I can SO sympathize with Kelly's struggle.  After working for years in the corporate world and being told "well, that could have gone better", I always had the feeling that the boss didn't really know what he or she wanted but that they would know it when they saw it.    

  

Vague terms such as "performed correctly", "more efficient", "do it better", don't fly.  It's up to the person asking for perfection to define very specifically what they expect.  And more importantly, it's up to the person being asked to do the task to specifically define their constraints and resource limitations so that both can agree upon a mutual solution.   

  

  

  

This isn't a business but a marriage.  I think Kelly lacks backbone and she needs to tell Grant to take a flying leap rather than hold his hand.  Come on people let's get real.  This guy needs help
 
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