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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 22, 2006, 5:32 pm PST

Treasure the mother of your children

Think about this old saying: 

Cleaning and scrubbing can wait 'til tomorrow, 

For babies grow up, I've learned to my sorrow. 

So settle down cobwebs, dust go to sleep, 

I'm rocking my baby and babies don't keep. 

 

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February 22, 2006, 5:35 pm PST

GRANT STILL DOESN'T GET "IT"

I watched the "More Wifestyles" today (I usually tape the episodes because I work full-time).  I couldn't believe what I saw!!  Poor Kelly!!!  I cannot believe how  "dense" Grant is.  I normally don't get on the message boards but couldn't let this one go.   

  

Grant is absolutely oblivious as to what marriage is all about.  A 100% commitment is needed from both sides and I would say at this point Kelly is putting in 200% and Grant ZERO!!!   

  

I truly believe that Grant really doesn't get "it" and I am wondering where this leaves Kelly.  She will never feel good about herself because Grant will never be satisfied and I think there is no convincing him otherwise.   

  

My hat goes off to Kelly; a stay at home Mom is HARD work and she is still trying so hard to please Grant.  I would love to see Grant take her place even for one day and have Kelly come home and criticize him.  Maybe he'll finally get "it"!!!!!  I can't remember the woman's name that was on the show commenting against Kelly and for Grant but I sure have some questions for her too!!! 

  

Dr. Phil, I really feel Kelly needs all the support she can get.  She is so genuine and basically she doesn't get "it" either when she accepts the way Grant treats her.  I hope you'll do everything possible to help her feel better about herself and help her to make decisions that is best for her children and herself!!!  I think she should seriously consider separating and build up her confidence. 

  

My husband and I will be celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary this year and I feel sorry for Kelly that she will never feel the happiness my husband and I have together!! 

  

  

  

  

 

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February 22, 2006, 5:37 pm PST

Unexpressed Expectations

I think that these folks are a great example of what happens to a lot of people in their relationships. All of us have a set of expectations that we bring to every relationship--friendship, romances, brotherhood/sisterhood, etc. Our expectations are formed through our life experiences and often we are not even aware that we hold them, and then we are disappointed when those expectations are not met. People assume that the person they are in love with has the same beliefs and values that they do, without ever discussing it with the other person. Everybody experiences their lives differently, I don't hold all of the same beliefs as my siblings, despite being brought up in the same house, with the same parents. There is no cookie-cutter answer to the proper role of a wife in this society. Some wives will be full-time Moms, some will work out of the home and take care of children, some will be the primary breadwinner for the family. Every wife probably sees her role differently. The only two people who need to be in agreement about the role of a husband and the role of a wife are the husband and wife in a given marriage. Unfortunately, two many couples don't discuss these roles before marriage, and continue discussing the roles as their circumstances change. We can't expect anyone do understand what we expect unless we disclose it to them.
 

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February 22, 2006, 5:41 pm PST

IT IS NOT OCD

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Has anyone considered that   Grant may have OCD  obsessive compulsive disorder? 

Or that his mother instilled the idea in him  that a wife  should be all things at all times? 

  

My heart goes out to Kelly   who deserves  affection, happiness,  a helper,  a loving caring husband, 

and flowers every week for raising the children.    Why she has put up with it, is anyone's guess. 

givergirl 

I definitely feel that it is certainly not an OCD problem.  I have a son that has OCD and that is not what OCD is about.   

  

As far as his mother instilling the idea in him, maybe, but you would think he would finally clue in after being on the Dr. Phil show TWICE!! 

  

I certainly agree with your second paragraph.  I really feel sorry for Kelly as Grant will never appreciate Kelly for all she has done. 

  

  

 

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February 22, 2006, 5:54 pm PST

Grant and Kelly

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I actually felt bad for Grant.  I could really hear him saying that he has not been able to change his feelings.  A lot of us shook our heads demanding that he change.  I think he doesn't know what to do to change those feelings, but he might (might) actually want to.  Sometimes it is easy to say just stop, but I think Grant needs more.  He needs help.  He is just going to keep resenting his wife and children until he gets it. 

  

I saw some of myself in Kelly.  The thing i think that is so hard for her is that she at times agrees with Grant.  She doesn't agree with the emotional turmoil that he has induced, but she feels inadequate herself.  If she didn't she wouldn't care so much what he says.  She would have been able to stand up to Grant herself and proclaim, "Hey, I am not perfect, but I am good.  I am me, and if you don't like it you need to reevaluate our relationship."  She allows him to get her down because she has some of the same complaints about herself that Grant does.  That is never going to change until she either accepts herself or makes some changes in herself.  It sounds like she has time management issues.  She needs to visit her friends that have the type of house that she wants.  She will see that those woman are cleaning literally all the time.  You are there with them visiting, and you will happen to notice them straightening.  Seriously.  Usually it is just their personality.  If that is not Kelly, she needs to get over it, and tell Grant that he needs to realize how lucky he is.   

I definitely feel Grant needs help (although I don't know how much he will get out of it - nothing Dr. Phil has said so far has sunk in!!).  I absolutely disagree that Kelly has time management issues.  Do you have children?  Each day is unpredictable and situations come up that you cannot control.  A perfect house is not important life, being happy and feeling good about your relationship is!!! 

  

I feel extremely sorry for Kelly, she doesn't realize what Grant is doing is wrong.  She still wants go keep on pleasing him.  She will never be able to do that, I don't think Grant will change, I think that is who he is. 

 
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February 22, 2006, 5:56 pm PST

Grant and Kelly

My heart goes out to both Grant and Kelly.  I saw both shows with the two of them.  I don't have all the answers but I felt strong enough to sign up on Dr. Phil's website to give my sincere 2 cents.  My hope for the two of you would be marriage counseling once a week.  If that isn't possible there are many really good books on marriage.  I suggest going to a Christian bookstore.  Dennis Rainey is a good author and has helped me.  A few suggestions:  Grant get that wedding ring back on your figure!  You are in this relationship for better or worse.  If you weren't you wouldn't have been on national tv airing out your laundry.  When you go to correct Kelly mention what she does do well....you can think of something!!!  :)  Kelly read books on organization.  You may not think that way....some people don't but it doesn't mean you can't learn.  You are smart!!!! You can do it! When the kids take a nap maybe you could clean, cook or take a nap to be refreshed when Grant gets home.  When you have a good routine you can save time and get a lot done.  For example do certain things on certain days .....Monday....laundry and dust all over...Tuesday....run the vac all over .....I think you get the picture.  Grant when she has done these things praise her!!!!  Your relationship is a partnership.....treat it like one.  Kelly if you're decorating the home ask Grant what he likes.....there are enough colors....textures....styles....of everything that both of you will love together.  You should love your home and build it together.  That's what makes a home a home not just a house.  It's something you both work on and can be proud of when you come home every night.  Lastly, Kelly you are a beautiful women and I can see why Grant would like you to wear romantic clothing....there is nothing wrong with dressing up a couple times a week.  I would keep it in the bedroom since you have kids.  Take time to bond and show how much you love one another.   I'll be praying for the two of you.  Blessings!      

  

 
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February 22, 2006, 5:58 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Quote From: gallen

I appreciate your insightful comments, thank you. 

Since you were there when we did the taping, you were present for much more 

of our time with Dr. Phil than will most likely air Tuesday. Kelly and I are wagering 

between us - will I come off looking like a hero, or a zero. You don't ever know how 

the show will air after the production team pieces things together. We have been 

keeping in touch with our friends that were at the taping also, James and Amy. 

  

I decided a while back that perfection is in the eyes of the beholder and is also a function 

of present circumstances of life. Since the first show, I have really tried to put away the 

measuring calipers and white gloves - there are more important things to occupy my time. 

As you point out in your post, it would take an immense amount of energy to be so controlling. 

  

  

We live in a judgmental and reactive world, and I think it's irrelevant how you come across to the world. I think the real service done is having Dr. Phil move beyond the polarities of right and wrong, and concentrate on the fact that Grant and Kelly are two people who are suffering, and have both the desire, and the capacity to create something different together. The real gift that I believe Dr. Phil gives the world is that he reaches beyond the behaviors that we can all get so reactive about, and shows us the deeper wisdom of our shared human fallibility...and even more importanly, that our lack of ability to love and receive love is only due to our own suffering. Grant is creating pain in his family, because he is in pain himself - on a level it sounds like he's just becoming conscious of... Even though it looks as if she's the victim, they're both completely disempowered. Anywhere we create pain for ourselves or others, this is the case. By giving away her power, she is definitely co-creating this situation. I believe that this situation calls for compassion and accountability in equal measure.....as is true for every one of us, in all the challenging situations in our lives. I think what is really true is that these are two people who really love each other, who are really trying to get their own needs met....and at an even deeper level they would love to meet each other's needs. The 'issues' between them are superficial, and detract from the core issues that keep them from really seeing what is in the way of their happiness. I think the personal attacks only make people defensive, and are not an invitation to open their hearts to find a softer, more workable truth. And from seeing some of the intellectual responses from Grant, it would seem that they keep him in his head, and disconnected from his heart. Men already have a huge tendency to do this, and that is why it is often so hard for them to hear (and validate) what a woman is feeling. I think if he could truly connect to the pain his wife feels it would break his heart into a million pieces. And I don't believe that she's a victim, either. She's chosen a mate who will mirror to her her own feelings of inadequacy. She'd laugh it all of if she didn't deep down believe he was right about her not being good enough....though, I guess it didn't seem all that deep down from watching the show. I felt the need to respond to this show, because I can relate to having a controlling, withholding, and critical husband. I feel so much empathy for Kelly's pain...and because of the work my husband and I have done together, I can feel emapthy for his pain. I have learned about the fear, pain, and feelings of inadequacy that are at the core of my husband's hurtful behaviors, and learned to see (and take responsibility for) where he's mirroring my own issues around self-worth back to me. In those moments when we can truly connect to each other's deeper experience we no longer are victim and perpetrator, but two flawed human beings who just really need each other's love and compassion, and forgiveness. Grant and Kelly... I really saw your commitment to one another, and I truly hope that you can find a way to a place where you both feel met, and safe, and loved...
 
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February 22, 2006, 5:59 pm PST

Partnerships

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I caught about half of this show, but wanted to put in my two cents worth.  My husband and I have 13 moth old triplets.  From the very beginning of our marriage, we have been committed to an equal partnership.  If the lawn needs mowing, I am just as likely to mow it as he is.  If the dishwasher needs to be emptied, he is just as likely to do it.  The idea of either one of us 'inspecting' or criticizing the other's performance is just too out there.   

I cannot believe that the climate of the marriage on the show was able to surivive during their babies' infancy.  If there is one thing that got us through the very hard preganancy and first few months, it was our solidarity and commitment to each other. 

To me, marriage is not about who is right or wrong, or who is better.  It is about being partners and making sure to take care of one another 

I have been a Dr Phil follower for many years.  This is the first time I felt I had to respond to the Wifestyles show.  I totally agree with the Triplet Family.  My husband and I both worked when our children were small.  He helped with the cooking and house cleaning and I helped him with the yard.  If Grant does not like the way his wife cooks, maybe he should do it himself and stop criticizing her for her efforts.  He could also help fold the clothes and do the dishes.  It would help Kelley free up her time so she had more time for Grant. 

  

Now that my children are grown and out of the house, my husband still cooks and I clean up the kitchen after him.  He vacuums the carpet and I clean the tile.  When I am in the yard trimming my roses, my husband is out there with me spraying the weeds or spraying for bugs.  We have a partnership that works for us.  We take care of each other. 

  

  

 

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February 22, 2006, 6:03 pm PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

I also agree (with some previous posters) that Grant will need to spend some quality time in his wive's shoes in order to 'get it.'  I also do think that Grant will need to ditch his personal list of wifely dutes.  Hey Grant...if she doesn't do something right (or according to your way) then do it yourself.  There is no specific set of rules that say that the wife has to do this or the man has to do that.  People choose to take on certain roles in the relationship/family unit based on their needs and wants and because they choose to.  If you want something done right...don't expect for Kelly to do it.  You need to do it yourself.  If you want to see Kelly happy and smiling...help her with the dishes that you claim are not loaded in the dishwasher right.  Take out the trash, do the grocery shopping.  anything.  Both of my parents worked full time.  But it was my mom that did everything (cook, clean, take care me and my sister, made sure that we had good activities outside of school).  all my dad did was work and come home.  But they also did not have a happy marriage because it was so unbalanced.  Yes children can tell if parents are not happy (no matter how much they hide it).  My mom moved out of the master bedroom, then my dad moved out of the house.  a divorce followed it about a year and a half later.  do you want a happy marriage?  do you want your children to be happy also?  then help out your wife with something.  hire a babysitter and take out your wife to a movie and dinner, maybe dancing.  anything except your list of demands or expectations and your criticisms.  allow your wife to have time to herself to at least fix herself up before she comes home instead of expecting her to do everything while all you do is bring home the paycheck.  ditch your measurements, ditch your analytical thinking of what you think your wife should do (there are no rules set in stone as to what she should do so why should she do them?), ditch your harsh criticisms on how she loads the diswasher (man that is so extremely pety) and treat her like a person.  your measurements belong at work, not at home.  she is human and she can only take but so much.  at least try to help her out around the house when you get home to ease her load so she can be a happy wife when you come home.   

 

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February 22, 2006, 6:03 pm PST

GRANT...Pls Read...

Grant, 

  

I've never written to ANY show before, but this one touched me so much that I had to write in, and I hope you read this and get something out of what I have to say because is it said not as attacking you, rather as sincere as possible.  First I'll say that I do think that you are a good guy.  If you weren't you wouldn't be on the show airing your thoughts and feelings on national television, and your sincerity came across for all to see. But I think you're STILL missing the whole point....and I'd like to maybe explain in other words that may touch you, or make something click in your mind.    

  

Your wife wants to be accepted for who she is.  She's not perfect, and she's never going to be (in your eyes).    Both of your opinions of what should be done, or how it should be done are not necessarily going to be the same.  She is going to have her own ideas of what is the right way to do something, or what things take priority over others. Who is to say that your way is the right way?  Maybe the way she likes to do something is better than the way you like to do it (is my point).  Maybe her way isn't the best sometimes, but that's the way she wants it, and who are you to say she needs to do it YOUR way?  Please don't take this as an attack, rather just a question you should ask yourself next time she's loading the dishwasher "wrong".  Next ask yourself, is it really worth getting stirred up about?  Some things just aren't worth getting worked-up over.  That's the part where you need to examine yourself, and ask yourself why you do get so worked up over something that should really be considered a "non-issue".  You might think that it is a big issue, but you're only coming from "the world as Grant sees it", which means you are the center of your own universe.  Your opinion is not the final say.  Someone might want to ask you who died and made you king?  One thing that came across, which I think you're working on making better is you seem to have lost your "sensitivity chip".  

  

Also you need to realize you're never going to find the perfect woman.  Every person is going to come along with certain traits, some good and some bad.  You are no exception.  You need to evaluate the situation and figure out whether the good out-weighs the bad.  I'm sure she's good at some things, otherwise you wouldn't have married her.  Dr. Phil said at the end of the show, that every day you have to make a choice to see the good in your life...and the good in the people you're surrounded by, your family, your home, your work, everything.  You won't be completely happy till you can figure out a way to count your blessings.  

  

IMPORTANT !!!!  I'll give you your first one...You need to get on your knees and thank your lucky stars that your wife still loves you.  After publicly humiliating her on national television, telling everyone that you think she's not "good enough".  It doesn't matter if you were specifically speaking of her housekeeping skills, or her cooking, or whatever, bottom line is she's not "good enough".  That's what she hears when you tell her she's not doing something right.  When you said you didn't know what the "it" was that you weren't getting....that's "it".  She's feeling like she's not "good enough".  Every time you criticize something she's doing, you might as well be saying "whaa, whaa, whaa...you're not good enough...whaa, whaa, whaa...."Please tell me that you get it now.  Further, and this is the most important of all.... you owe her an apology for disrespecting her, and your marriage, by not wearing your wedding ring.  Your wedding ring in a symbol of the COMMITMENT to your marriage.  Not a symbol of "I'm mad at the way my wife is doing the housework now-a-days".  By you not wearing your ring, you are saying that you are not committed to your marriage.  (Now I know that some men don't wear their rings, and some wives don't care-HA- But that's not the case in your marriage with your wife).  Not wearing your ring is one of the most hurtful things a man can do to his wife.  You have NO idea.  If my husband took his ring off, I'd say all bets were off... the marriage, the respect, the trust, the love, everything. Please put your ring back on. 

  

Kelly....you are a beautiful woman, inside and out.  I don't pretend to know you, or think you're perfect, but if you need some validation, here it is.  I hear you, and yes, you are correct, your husband's views are slightly altered from reality.  I'm sure he's a good husband and father in many ways.  I know you don't want the public's validation, you want your husband's...but I hope that you don't lose confidence in yourself.  There are a million men out there that would die to have a loving, supportive, beautiful wife and mother of their children (and wouldn't give a rat's xss how you loaded the dishwasher, but would be happy you attempted to even do the dishes).  I have a feeling you already know how to count your many blessings, or else you wouldn't still be in your marriage.  Your husband is treating you like you work for him.  He just needs to be reminded that you are on equal playing ground.  You are his spouse (and in business terms) his partner.  50/50.  If he thinks you're not holding up your end of the bargain, then maybe you need to do a "job" swap.  He doesn't seem to appreciate what you do.   Don't worry about the fact that he thinks some household chores are more important than teaching your kids something.  You KNOW what's important.  Don't doubt yourself !!! Don't let the house become a pig stye either...you know in your heart what the balance should be...you said so when you said that you are comfortable with your choices, and stick to it.  ALSO, you don't appear to be a person who likes confrontation, but if you let your husband disrespect you by not wearing his wedding ring, then you really need more help than going on the Dr. Phil show a few times.  It shows that you lack self-esteem and self worth.  You're way too intellegent to let yourself go there.  Every woman has that inner voice that whispers to her...listen to it.  I know you love your husband, and I hope the love you two share keeps you both strong enough to put your differences aside and you both figure out a way to make it work.  Best wishes. (sorry for such a long e-mail)  :-) - CM in Atlanta.  

 
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