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Topic : 02/21 More Wifestyles

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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 23, 2006, 8:24 am PST

To Kelly & Grant

Quote From: gallen

Kelly here-The chances of me picking anything out that he would have immediatly agreed to are so slim it is a joke. This was just a random decision that I decided to make on my own for a change!  I also painted the entire kitchen tan while he was at work. The funny thing is he LIKES the curtains. The guy even hung them for me. He has gone out of his way to tell me my kitchen has looked nice since the first show and the paint and curtains. He likes how they look with the painted kitchen. He was honestly impressed. He wasn't pretending.  It is the concept of "pink" that throws him. In my experience he tends to say "no" to everything.  I think my house is boring because I approach him about ideas (not pink ones) and he says "no". We don't agree. Not because we have such different taste, but because we simply don't agree. Does that make any sense? I would rather keep a pretty house clean than a boring one. Kelly

Kelly & Grant, 

     The best piece of advice I can give is something my mom taught me.  You just need to agree to disagree.  It's simple.  And it sounds like you two are getting this!  I am glad to hear that Grant is turning around.  Sometimes, it just takes explaining things to them in a way they can understand.  I hope Grant finally gets what "IT" is.  For me, "IT" is something that cannot be explained, but felt.  And it the very thing you feel lost without and whole with.  You find that in your partner.  They are the souls counterpart that completes each other.  I hope you have that. 

  

Kristin 

 

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February 23, 2006, 8:25 am PST

Time for Grant to walk in Kelly's shoes.


I think it's time for Grant to spend some time in Kelly's shoes.  He needs to spend at least a week doing what Kelly does so well.  He needs to want to take care of the needs of someone besides Grant's.  The world does not revolve around him.   Nothing has been said about how he was brought up.  Why he feels Kelly should be his little robot.  Life is too short to put so much energy in the little things.  Those children won't be little very long....enjoy them while they are.  The housework etc. will be there when she's gone.......do you hear me Grant?  When she's gone.....There is so much more I could say, would like to say, but it would take all day and I don't have time......I have a job and a life.  I spend 32 years trying to make a man happy and be the perfect wife, work outside the house because that's what he expected, raise 2 children that he resented my spending time and resourses on, and guess what!!!  I've been gone for 8 years!!!

Oh!  And it's time Kelly got some much needed R&R without the Grant's putting pressure on her.  But then, I also know from experience that she would worry the whole time about Grant and what he was thinking, doing, would she have a home to come back to.  etc. etc.  That's emotional abuse....!  Lived it!!!
 
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February 23, 2006, 8:26 am PST

thanks

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My mother didn't keep a neat house, but she took her four little boys and one girl (me) on walks to town with the baby stroller and focused on the children. Now she's 80 and her friend, who always was an immaculate house-keeper, said she used to be critical of my mother for letting her house be messy. But now she wishes that she had spent more time taking walks and playing with her kids. She confessed this to my mom after my oldest brother died recently at 58. Of course Grant doesn't think there are choices. When it comes to Kelly, she should do everything perfectly. He must not know how hard the job is. It's emotionally draining. He must imagine that the kids just sit around the house taking care of themselves while his wife has nothing else to do but clean. My dad was kind of an ass like that. He didn't demand a clean house, but he acted like Mom's job was nothing. But my mom was loving to him and to us anyway. Men like that would be ashamed if they were intelligent enough to be so. 

Thanks for responding,  I agree that man has his needs before his children's needs if they were to ask the kids what they want mommy to clean or read to them.  They would probably say play with them.  Unless he has made the house so uncomfortable with his negative attitude that the kids probably already think that mommy needs to clean or daddy will just be angry with mommy.  They will probably want her to clean so she doesn't get belittled by him.  Or they will start to treat her like he does because they don't want to be the one on the bottom they will want to grow up and be the controller and probably never happy.  I hope your life is good and your kids are happy.  Men can change but have to be told that that kind of behavior is unacceptable.  You cant please someone who only sees the bad and not the good.  I am a positive person, and tend to want to please but never wanted to set that kind of example for my kids they have to know what battles are worth fighting.  If his battle field is the cleanliness of his house, there will be tougher battles down the road like health issues, death and loneliness.  What would he do if she was ever ill like cancer, would he be there to help her or would he just be angry with her for being ill and not keeping his would in order for him.  I think she is in danger,  he seems to have the same kind of behavior as Scott Peterson, and that Man that shot his wife and 9month old and fled to England.  This man seems to be smoldering and upset his doesn't have control over them all.  Wait till those kids grow up a little and mess up his world because thats what kids do.  He seems dangerous for her and the kids.
 
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February 23, 2006, 8:28 am PST

Me Too Sarah!!!

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I've been married for over 20 years to a man 10 years my junior.  We have 3 great kids, not a whole lot of income, and a home full of joy, teenagers, and a life I wouldn't trade anyone for anything.  For the past 20-some years, my husband has been a journeyman electrician, considered one of the best around.  He's only about 5'4" tall and around 136 lbs.  He works like a bat out of hell all day, and always has.  I've been a stay-at-home wife and Mom, I've worked outside, and now back home again. 

  

Let me tell you about MY HUSBAND!!!  When he walks in the door at night, God's in his heaven and all is right with the world.  He's ALWAYS got a smile on his face, a kiss, a pat for the dog and a happy greeting for anyone else who happens to be here.  I try very hard to see to it that there is something decent for dinner on the stove, I have a fresh pot of coffee for him, (which I immediately pour a cup of while taking his lunch box, etc. out of his hands) and many times a nice clean house. 

I believe in traditional family roles in my home, while anyone else's is entirely none of my business.  Sometimes it is chaos, insanity, crises, dirty laundry, unfinished dishes, and you name the rest.  IT NEVER, EVER CHANGES THE SMILE ON HIS FACE!!! 

  

He's worked so hard all these years and his slight body is giving out on him.  He has 2 torn rotator cuffs which we certainly cannot afford to have surgically corrected.  He NEVER complains and more times than not he gives ME the backrub before falling asleep!  He still coaches baseball for little league for going on 14 years, and still throws batting practice with that pain in his shoulders and wouldn't give it up for anything.  If he gets homemade fried chicken and all of the traditional goodies that go with and homemade apple pie for dessert, or hot dogs and beans, he ALWAYS says "thanks babe, that was wonderful!! "  He gets up before dawn and makes his own breakfast and lunch so I can sleep a little later!! 

  

At least 8 or 10 times a night I ask, "what can I get for you, babe?", sometimes after work when he sits down to read his sports section, I take off his cap and rub his sweet little head just because he loves that.  On his days off, he ALWAYS says "what can I help you with, babe?"  He loves his children with his whole heart.  He's not the kind of Dad who necessarily knows what to say all the time, or how to deal with the daily drama of a teenage daughter.  So, do you know what he DOES do?.....The very best he knows how!! And brother, do they love him for it!!  He tries not to every deny any of us anything we want (within reason) and makes dam sure we all have everything we NEED, no matter how many extra side jobs he has to do. 

  

That creep with the list of 75 or so items he demands from his wife isn't any kind of man.  Of course you didn't say it on the show, but he's an abuser of the worst kind.  I know, I've been there a long time ago.  My husband loves me so much.  He says it, he shows it and he lives it.  Love is a verb.  In the early years of our marriage, not only was my husband a terrible alcoholic at a very young age, he also got physical with me one night.  I immediately had him arrested.  Know what he did???  He asked the judge to send him to a court ordered ANGER MANAGEMENT class.  He never missed a night, including one when it snowed like crazy and the instructor didn't even show up!  He came home each night and discussed that day's work with me for hours.   

  

FROM THAT DAY I HAVE NEVER BEEN EVEN SCARED OF HIM FOR ONE MOMENT.  HE HAS NOT HAD A DRINK IN OVER 15 YEARS!  WHY?  BECAUSE LOVE IS A VERB! 

  

Please get that young woman a GOOD LAWYER AND A BASEBALL BAT, BEACAUSE SHE IS IN REAL DANGER!!  I was married once before when I was very young.  My husband tried to kill me on more than one occasion, and I know one when I see one now.   

  

Somewhere out there is a man who will ADORE that beautiful young woman for all the love she has to give! Tell her for me that even if she has to live paycheck to paycheck, every week and sometimes not quite making it, she won't give a rat's patoot, because she'll be like me, THE HAPPIEST WIFE AND MOTHER ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH! 

  

Thank You for letting me tell my story.  I've wanted to for years. 

  

Sincerely, 

Sarah Metzgar 

  

  

  

  

I loved your note Sarah...you described my hubby John to a T, except for the physical ailments. I am still lucky that my young 51 yr old husband is in top physical shape! John is the funniest, sweetest, most loving, caring man God ever put on this earth and I plan to spend the rest of my days loving and appreciating him! Friends....there are still wonderful men out there.....you just have to find them!
 
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February 23, 2006, 8:29 am PST

Progress vs. Perfection

Quote From: gallen

I appreciate your insightful comments, thank you. 

Since you were there when we did the taping, you were present for much more 

of our time with Dr. Phil than will most likely air Tuesday. Kelly and I are wagering 

between us - will I come off looking like a hero, or a zero. You don't ever know how 

the show will air after the production team pieces things together. We have been 

keeping in touch with our friends that were at the taping also, James and Amy. 

  

I decided a while back that perfection is in the eyes of the beholder and is also a function 

of present circumstances of life. Since the first show, I have really tried to put away the 

measuring calipers and white gloves - there are more important things to occupy my time. 

As you point out in your post, it would take an immense amount of energy to be so controlling. 

  

  

I appreciate your response to my thoughts.  Grant, you seem like a really good guy.  And Kelly is a wonderful woman.   I suspected that due to the taping length and some out of sequence things that went on,  there would be some editing and re-arrangement.  But the way the show came off, I do not think you're a zero.   

 
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February 23, 2006, 8:31 am PST

Missing the boat

As a recently married woman and the daughter of parents who have been married for 33 years, I feel that Grant is missing the boat that will take him to a healthy marriage with Kelly if that's even possible at this point.   

  

My philosophy is that not only is marriage a partnership, it is also a union of two people that are in love.   I know that things can happen throughout a marriage that can cloud that love, and this may be what has happened with them.  Not once did I hear Grant state how much he loves Kelly and how in love they were when they first were married.  I understand his personality by nature is more analytical than emotional, but he just seems to be emotionally disconnected from this relationship.   I think that if he is just trying to find a way to "tolerate" the marriage rather than reinvest his entire heart and soul back into it, than maybe she is better off without him.    

  

I agree that in a marriage both partners need to agree on the roles they will play in order for it to be a healthy union, but I think there is more to the issue than this with Grant and Kelly.  I have some male friends that are alot like Grant, very anal, very exacting, almost ocd.  But even though they are like this and it drives their wives crazy and their wives are probably never doing anything the "right" way in their eyes-at the end of the day they still are in love with their wives and express that to them. 

 
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February 23, 2006, 8:36 am PST

Hang in there

  

   Hang in there the kids will grow up and then you can spend more time on Grant or you can get a job outside of the home and hire person to clean and cook for you that meets his approval.  That is what I did.  When my youngest child started school full time I got a job and hired someone to clean my house top to bottom once a week.  The dailey chores were split up between the WHOLE family including my husband.  If he didn't like the way I did my chores then he redid it himself. 

 
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February 23, 2006, 8:37 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

Quote From: gallen

I think you meant a lot of what you said to be sarcastic and demeaning - but your list had the opposite effect on me. I am showing it to Kelly when she gets home tonight. This may be the start of a more negotiations.

unless you are going in eatting humble pie it will just open a bigger wider gap than is already there. 

  

You may be an electrical engineer but you sure don't have a clue when it comes to women! 

 
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February 23, 2006, 8:39 am PST

Where is Grant's LIST?????

Quote From: percheron2

I see that Grant is still trying to promote his point by answering the message boards to his liking.  Well, I hope that he answers my last one!  He surely won't like it.

Grant counted 75 items for his wife...  

Would LOVE to see his list; I think HIS list has 2 items:  

1) Go to work 

2) Demean his wife... he apparently does both very well!   

  

Kelly... bless you... control freaks rarely change.  I have 3 children that lived with a control freak -- and the person that send you a note saying, "Happiness with a small amount of disorder is MUCH better than a spotless home resulting in UNHAPPINESS!"  Grant should feel like a frickin' KING with your willingness to put up with him... 

Grant decided to read Dr. Phil's books... Good luck, it still appears that he is looking for people to sympathize with his poor lot in life, which is a life with a beautiful woman and loving mom.  Poor Grant!!!  (I think I'm going to throw up!) 

  

 

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February 23, 2006, 8:48 am PST

Grant, I double dare ya!!

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A week home with the kids, with no help... you call that a vacation??? HA! Try it..... PLEASE!!! Kelly at the spa- you home with the kids- no outside help... might give you an idea of what her life is like. The reason why it hasn't been done is because you don't want to do it.

I know for a fact that caring for 3 preschoolers properly is an exhausting, full-time job-but I'm willing to watch you prove me wrong.  I'm sure that the good Dr would be more than pleased to film a role reversal for a week or two and show the world that you can spend the day coloring with the kids, reading to them, playing games yet keep the house in a state of organized cleanliness and serve a gourmet meal for Kelly when she comes back each evening.  

  

If you model that state of perfection, you will provide a perfect training resource for Kelly because it would feature your actual children and home. But I want you to consider,  if you are able to succeed for a week using Herculean efforts, that it may be difficult to perform at that peak week after week, year after year, with no breaks or holidays. You can't replicate that. 

 
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