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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 23, 2006, 8:48 am PST

what planet is Grant from?

I watched this show in disbelif. I am a stay at home mom with three daughters. I have not always been a stay at home mom. Only after my youngest was born. I know both sides of the issue staying at home and working. Grant has it made. I'm sure all he does is get himself  ready for work and then go to work. Meanwhile Kelly has three children she has to care for. Working outside of the home is a lot easier then staying home and tending to three children, making sure the house is clean, paying the bills, getting groceries, making sure the kids have everything they need. At this show Kelly had said she was trying to find a balance so Grant and herself  would be satisfied. She had said if her dishes needed to be done, or she had a chance to play a game with her daughter she would play a game with her daughter. I think thats WONDERFUl!!!! Your kids are number 1. Don;t get me wrong I like a clean house, but let me tell you something your kids are not little forever. I gave up a long time ago trying to make sure everythings just right. Theres not enough hours in the day. You have to find a balance that you both can be satisfied with. Grant theres nobody out there whos perfect. If you were in Kellys position could you do all the things you expect out of Kelly while raising three children. If my husband was to give me a list like the one Grant gave Kelly I would use it as firewood. As for not wereing his wedding ring that is so very disrespectful towards your wife. I'm very surprised shes still with you. One more thing before I go the women who was on the show agreeing with Grant. I would also like to know what planet she came from. I was very upset when she said all the things she said on the show. I was mad, I felt so bad for Kelly. Kelly please go find someone who will apprieciate you for you!!!!!!!!!
 
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February 23, 2006, 8:52 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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Like Kelly, I'm really serious about learning how to be a better housewife. There are parenting books and relationship books but what I need is a step by step "manual" of everything about cleaning  (how, when, etc.) to cooking and taking care of the family. I'd love a copy of one of the 1950's home economics books that told a young girl exactly what was expected of her as a stay at home mother and housewife. No, I'm not striving for perfection, but I wasn't raised knowing how or what to clean and even after 17 years of marriage I'm still working at figuring it out, maybe I'm a slow learner?? LOL! My husband and kids are still alive and I'm not always embarrassed when people stop by unexpectedly but I'd love to do this better! Anybody have suggestions? And what are these "wife classes"?  

Check out flylady.net   

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:07 am PST

Change Places for a Day

Just wanted to suggest that Grant take over at home one day while Kelly goes out with friends. 

He can see what life is at home -- and will respect the job she is doing much more.  When we 

had six children under 7 years of age my husband gave me a "day off".  He planned to clean the 

garage and such.  When I returned at 5 o'clock, he asked how I ever got anything done. Every time 

he was about to head to what he wanted to do, one of the children needed attention.  He was  

extremely grateful that I did laundry, cleaned the house, and much more all while caring for the children.  He said he had no idea how demanding the job was until he switched places. 

  

Perhaps Kelly and Grant should switch for a day. 

  

Now that we have seven grandchildren, he still says, "Honey, I don't know how you did it!"  Of course, I say the same to him, that he provided for all of us. 

  

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:18 am PST

What Next?

Well, it is good the kids are 3yrs old. because  they are reaching the age where they could go to 1/2 day preschool. It gives them a headstart for school and fun activities and with other kids. Also,and very important , it would give Kelly a break 2 or 3 mornings or afternoons a week. They can start this now and continue until school age. It is not daycare  but in addition even if  someone could help her in the afternoons it would be ideal. Is there a relative or neighbor you could ask?  

                  They could be in preschool Mon,Wed, Fri,   half day . I know Grant posted that he is doing the "nontherapy" counselling assigned by Dr. Phil  which is good. I think he should contiue to try and keep his criticisms to himself but write in a journal about it  and about the anger he feels building up when he gives up some control. What Dr. Phil said is so true - in life, control is just an illusion anyway. We can get sick, the house can burn down (don't get any ideas Kelly!!:>) ) People have car accidents , children get ill,  etc. We can hang on real tight to life but  things will change and happen anyway no matter how tight we are hanging on. Also, Grant, to save the marriage I would get a referral from Dr. Phil for a counselor. Take advantage of it while you can because he will get the best. Same for Kelly although you probably need individual counselling. I am married to an engineer but he does a lot around the house and with our child. He is somewhat picky about strange things like if I put too much bird seed out that the squirrels will eat!!! or if I would imply that he couldn't fix his own supper !!! Yes, really!! (sometimes) He washed his own clothes when we first got married because he didn't like the way I did it!!!:>) He is a very generous person giving of himself to help at church and with our child's activities. He was so overjoyed to be a father he wanted to help out a lot. His Dad was an engineer and his uncles and cousins,too. But his Mom had some medical conditions later in life and in retirement his Dad vacuumed, etc., grocery shopped,etc. Things don't always stay the same....they will change  no matter what we do. The stragest quirk on my husbands side is that they would all go to a restaurant for family get togethers (it was a large group of relatives) but it was an unwritten rule that you only have the ice water and don't order even coke or coffee. Well, I needed the caffeine and I remember how these 14 people would look at me in amazement as I asked for a large Mt. Dew!!!!!!! It wasn't like they couldn't afford it, it was just some thing they always did. I  

                   I must add that my Dad had a masters degree and always put my Mom down because she never went to college. Then when us kids were in high school, she went back to school and got her degree!!!  I think she ended up making more than him but he sure liked the double income then!!!!! It helped their marriage too, I think. I am a perfectionist Grant-  my Mom is, my one sister is(divorced no kids) Those 2 are the most difficult - nit-picky as all get out!!!:>) My one brother is -not married but happy in his own space!!!:>) ) The rest of us are married with kids. My sister and Mom are exactly like you Grant in that they micro-manage everyone and everything around them. My Mom lost a parent at a very young age so she may feel a need to be in control. My sister is SO exacting just like you. Nothing is quite good enough. She is divorced and she had one boyfriend who got so frustrated with her over the phone he came over and  knocked her into the wall. She was lucky and only got a concussion. The strangest part is that I knew she constantly harped at him about this or that like your list. Exactly like you do with Kelly. Kelly may be a doormat or maybe she will become passive aggressive and get back at you in little ways while seemimg to do what you want. Or she could snap one day and do something drastic. I think  I would change the locks. Hopefully,she won't take the kids one day away and then torch the house before you come home from work and then say, THERE!!! is THAT clean enough for you now????!!!!  (I know someone nicknamed   "Torch" Kelly!) :>) Just kidding . I think  even Ghandi would want to smack you one Grant.  

  

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:20 am PST

The role of a wife.

Well, its the 21st century and things have certainly changed since I Love Lucy!  The role of the wife depends on the role of the husband.  In every family, there are certain "tasks" that need to be done to create a happy, healthy and enjoyable home life.  If the husband is the sole money maker, then I feel that the wife should be the primary home maker.  If both spouses work, then the tasks should be divided EQUALLY.  Yes, both mates will be tired and want to rest at days end, but if they want a enjoyable home life, the necessities of home keeping must be met...TOGETHER!  And the same applies if the husband is the homemaker, as if the wife is.  He should be the primary caregiver of the home.  Like anything in life, its only fair to work together in a fair and respectful manner.  To have a long happy marriage, the egos should HAVE to be left at the door. 
 
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February 23, 2006, 9:29 am PST

Kelly is ok!

Kelly, I hope you read this.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with your choices.  Grant needs to take a serious look at his priorities.  Would he rather have healthy, happy children or a spotless house?  Maybe you two should change places for a year and let him find out exactly how difficult it is to raise children and get to all 75 "items" on his to-do list.  He would soon find out how impossible it is.  You hang in there! 
 
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February 23, 2006, 9:29 am PST

better housewife

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Check out flylady.net   

To quote an old wise woman, "Only boring women have clean houses". 

Clean is onething; making this a goal is a waste of time and energy.  

Don't you want to be a better person, not a better housewife? 

  

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:33 am PST

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I appreciate your insightful comments, thank you. 

Since you were there when we did the taping, you were present for much more 

of our time with Dr. Phil than will most likely air Tuesday. Kelly and I are wagering 

between us - will I come off looking like a hero, or a zero. You don't ever know how 

the show will air after the production team pieces things together. We have been 

keeping in touch with our friends that were at the taping also, James and Amy. 

  

I decided a while back that perfection is in the eyes of the beholder and is also a function 

of present circumstances of life. Since the first show, I have really tried to put away the 

measuring calipers and white gloves - there are more important things to occupy my time. 

As you point out in your post, it would take an immense amount of energy to be so controlling. 

  

  

ZERO! 

If you are indeeed grant: Youhave no idea what it means to be a good husband!  

A good husband honors his wife. 

A good husband helps around the house. 

A good husband does not make "rules". 

  

Be honest. You don't love Kelley. You love yourself. 

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:33 am PST

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We live in a judgmental and reactive world, and I think it's irrelevant how you come across to the world. I think the real service done is having Dr. Phil move beyond the polarities of right and wrong, and concentrate on the fact that Grant and Kelly are two people who are suffering, and have both the desire, and the capacity to create something different together. The real gift that I believe Dr. Phil gives the world is that he reaches beyond the behaviors that we can all get so reactive about, and shows us the deeper wisdom of our shared human fallibility...and even more importanly, that our lack of ability to love and receive love is only due to our own suffering. Grant is creating pain in his family, because he is in pain himself - on a level it sounds like he's just becoming conscious of... Even though it looks as if she's the victim, they're both completely disempowered. Anywhere we create pain for ourselves or others, this is the case. By giving away her power, she is definitely co-creating this situation. I believe that this situation calls for compassion and accountability in equal measure.....as is true for every one of us, in all the challenging situations in our lives. I think what is really true is that these are two people who really love each other, who are really trying to get their own needs met....and at an even deeper level they would love to meet each other's needs. The 'issues' between them are superficial, and detract from the core issues that keep them from really seeing what is in the way of their happiness. I think the personal attacks only make people defensive, and are not an invitation to open their hearts to find a softer, more workable truth. And from seeing some of the intellectual responses from Grant, it would seem that they keep him in his head, and disconnected from his heart. Men already have a huge tendency to do this, and that is why it is often so hard for them to hear (and validate) what a woman is feeling. I think if he could truly connect to the pain his wife feels it would break his heart into a million pieces. And I don't believe that she's a victim, either. She's chosen a mate who will mirror to her her own feelings of inadequacy. She'd laugh it all of if she didn't deep down believe he was right about her not being good enough....though, I guess it didn't seem all that deep down from watching the show. I felt the need to respond to this show, because I can relate to having a controlling, withholding, and critical husband. I feel so much empathy for Kelly's pain...and because of the work my husband and I have done together, I can feel emapthy for his pain. I have learned about the fear, pain, and feelings of inadequacy that are at the core of my husband's hurtful behaviors, and learned to see (and take responsibility for) where he's mirroring my own issues around self-worth back to me. In those moments when we can truly connect to each other's deeper experience we no longer are victim and perpetrator, but two flawed human beings who just really need each other's love and compassion, and forgiveness. Grant and Kelly... I really saw your commitment to one another, and I truly hope that you can find a way to a place where you both feel met, and safe, and loved...

There is a great deal of wisdom in what you wrote there.   

  

What I would say, additionally, is that we all need to try to find the humor in our situations.  Humor is an unbelievable defuser of difficult situations.  I think Dr. Phil does a great job of organizing some humor into his shows where it's appropriate.   

 
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February 23, 2006, 9:34 am PST

The Golden Rule

people have asked me how it is that I have a "perfect" marriage, even my step children have noticed that my husband and I never fight.  I can attribute it to one thing.  We abide by the golden rule.  For some reason people have the idea that God has given them a spouse as a challenge to change them or mold them into something else.  My husband is a gift to me and I am always grateful that I was able to marry such a good man.  

  

There was a  time in the beginning of our marriage when the "clean house" was an issue.  I was compared to my husband's first wife who had always had a spotless house with 5 children.  I then found out that she had maid service, then I didn't feel so bad, but for some reason people forget things like that.   

  

I talked to my friend about it at the time, and she remarked to me that if our kids are dressed and fed, we're doing well.  I could totally relate to that, you are only one person  and you really do have to make a choice between your sanity and a spotless house, My house was never filthy, but it wasn't spotless either.  I gave my husband a choice at that time: a clean house, or a happy wife.  He chose the happy wife. I think the only people in life who have spotless homes are either those who have help, or else they have no children and no life, or else they're a nervous wreck. 

  

So what is the perfect wife?  One who treats her husband as she wants to be treated. Without the expectations in return.   I always loved how my dad would tell us about Adam and Eve. Woman was not taken from man's head to rule over him, nor from his foot to be stomped on, but from his side to walk with him and help him and be a support to him. 

  

My husband was married before and had a horrible marriage, I am married to the same man as she was; only I have a great marriage and she didn't.   the reason is a choice on my part, he hasn't changed from who he was, He's still supportive and helpful, the difference is now he has someone who is nice to him,  who is willing to work with him. To be his support, to love him despite his maleness at times. To just pitch in with him and get the job done no matter if it's church callings, job, family, whatever the need.  being a great wife goes way beyond the kitchen and maid work. That can't be at the top of the priority list.   If the house being clean is that important, for heaven's sake hire someone to do it. 

  

I would say to Grant, if you don't like it do it yourself, but don't complain. Being married requires a lot of team work.  Be in a state of gratitude to your wife at all times, write her notes, bring her flowers for no reason, say thank you regularly.  Even though he might  not feel it at first just doing it will change the way he feels over time, and who knows one day he might wake up and without thinking, put his ring back on. 

  

 
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