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Created on : Friday, February 17, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 23, 2006, 10:26 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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on impulse, I peeked to see if all was still quiet.....and now I can't resist responding. 

  

  

Without being very specific to Grant and Kelly, I think it's more the idea of one spouse creating a list for the other that offends most people rather than the actual quantity of items on the list. And I realize that in a conventional job, you would have a list of performance requirements, but being a SAHM is a somewhat precarious situation in that it is your whole world, your whole day. It is tricky to balance home as where you "work" and home as your safe refuge. And since your marriage primarily takes place in your home, it becomes even more sensitive. 

  

I stay at home because believe it is the best situation for my children. I have a Master's in education and was a school administrator before I had children. I had a place to go each day that, although it could be stressful and demanding, I was generally respected and had a high level of authority. If staying at home with my kids meant my husband, who is my most intimate partner and friend, set himself as my authority figure and evaluator, it would most definitely breed resentment. 

  

I also am not one of those SAHM who sees homemaking as my "career". Not to knock those who do (I have a sort of curious envy of those Moms), it just doesn't suit me.  I see my primary job to be raising my children to be successful human beings. I take care of  most of the household chores, because it's more convenient for me to do them, but I have not on any level raised homemaking to an art form, nor do I have any desire to. I don't think being a really good mother necessarily goes hand and hand with being a really good homemaker, cook, etc.   

  

I hope this answers your curiosity. Also, the "H" on keyboard is sticking, so please disregard any flagrant misspellings! 

This was the first post that I had made in a while.  I happened to hop on and the debate over the 75 items was on.  I was just curious at what people count and don't count.   

My position has always been this though.  If a couple makes a decision about the division of work and they both agree to it, than they should both follow through with what they agreed to.  If they don't than a spouse has every right to be angry if things are continually not taken care of.  In your situation, however, you and your husband have found that balance and it works for you.   I think that it is great that it works for you as a couple.  I think many women look at those women who want to be a homemaker with "curious envy" because some of those things don't come naturally.  It didn't for me, but it is what I wanted and worked towards that goal.  It is what I wanted to present to my children and my husband.  To each their own.  I strive to be the best at everything that I choose to do, as I am sure that you do.  I agree with your statement too of a good mother not going hand in hand with being a good homemaker, but I choose to be both because I know that I am capable of that.  Not that others aren't, and I can already assume the comments that I am going to get, but it is what I want for me and my family. 

 
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March 23, 2006, 11:51 am PST

I like the humor...

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The man just keeps digging deeper and deeper.  Left to his own devices, he will surely find himself in China before day break!  Tool belt Hotty Indeed!!! 

I thought your idea of digging my own hole until I came out in China was pretty funny. 

  

I have changed the focus of my perceived scrutiny from Kelly towards myself. 

As you might imagine, there are a few things I realized that are partly responsible for  

for what has been characterized as overly critical behavior. I passed some of those 

things along to our contacts with Dr Phil and they got some response. I hope to follow 

up and talk with Dr Phil about resolving the issues I presented him. 

  

Am I intended to get from your resent posts, PuttyCat, that there will not be a Tool Belt Hottie? 

That's too bad, I had a list prepared just for you. 

  

 
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March 23, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

More Wifestyles

I just saw a little pop up during the Dr. Phil show today that said More Wifestyles coming on Monday!!  Can this be true? :)  YAY!
 
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March 24, 2006, 6:08 am PST

I doubt that very much

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I thought your idea of digging my own hole until I came out in China was pretty funny. 

  

I have changed the focus of my perceived scrutiny from Kelly towards myself. 

As you might imagine, there are a few things I realized that are partly responsible for  

for what has been characterized as overly critical behavior. I passed some of those 

things along to our contacts with Dr Phil and they got some response. I hope to follow 

up and talk with Dr Phil about resolving the issues I presented him. 

  

Am I intended to get from your resent posts, PuttyCat, that there will not be a Tool Belt Hottie? 

That's too bad, I had a list prepared just for you. 

  

 
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March 24, 2006, 6:56 am PST

Interesting but not realistic.

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I didn't change to save my marriage.  When we seperated I began to ask myself questions.  The first being, are the things that my husband is pointing out realy outrageuous?  If I do change these things am I doing them to be better for him or would these things make me a better person?  What I realized is that the things that he would talk to me about were things that would make me a better person, even without him.   Then I moved on to whether or not I wanted to stay married to him.  Hypothetical question.  The person I am seeing tells me he wants to have children.  I agree.  He proposes, we get married and then I say "you know what, I decided I just don't want to have children anymore."  What position has that left him in?  I tell my husband, before we get married, I want to have children.  I want to take care of the children and our home.  I want that responsability.  Then we get married, have children and I decide it's too much work.  I don't want to do it anymore.  Is it my husbands fault that I am not doing what I said I would?  Should he be allowed to be upset about this?  Frustrated?  Angry?  There are choices that people make that bring other people into the situation.  That allow people to count on them to follow through with their choices because that is the lifestyle that was choosen.  I am not, nor have I ever said that being a stay at home mom was easy,  but you don't just give up when it gets too hard.  You and anyone else can say what you will about my marriage.  You have every right to your opinions, but opinions are not truth.  Only my husband and I know what the truth is in our relationship and if your opinion is to not give creedence or weight to the things that I have stated, again it is your choice.  I just feel bad for you that you can't take someone elses story and possibly learn from it without looking at a time frame. 

By the way, Grant didn't club Kelly over the head, grab her by the hair and drag her on to Dr. Phil like a caveman, she walked on stage just like everyone else. 

When two people get married they have no idea what life can throw their way.  I'm sure many a man said he would never cheat and does.  I'm sure many a woman said they wanted to have kids and found out they coudn't for whatever reason. So, do you divorce?  Marriage is about loving 

someone no matter what- richer/poorer, sickness/health, good times/bad times. Don't get me wrong- abuse is a dealbreaker in any way shape or form.  But, things like trash cans and pantries are not!  If a woman has the PRIVILEGE of staying home then she does take on the majority of household stuff.  However, I don't think that if she's giving 100% then the hubby needs to be so critical.  If the situation is not working (for either of them) then a sit down to re-negotiate would be key.  That's the point I think you're missing entirely on these posts.  The hubby doesn't have to be a tyrant and demand perfection.  I'm sure at his job he has forgotten a thing or two but the bottom line is he's doing the best he can with what he's given.  I think for Kelly/Grant she is doing what she can and Grant is totally unwilling to try and help.  He made comments to the effect of he can afford a housekeeper, nanny, etc. so wouldn't that be a wise investment at this stage ?  I can only speak for my husband but if my sanity /our marriage were on the line and he could aid in helping he would do it in a minute!  I cannot imagine a husband who wouldn't- or a wife for that matter.  That's part of marriage- wanting to help the other when they are down!!!   It seems you are very concerned with "he said, she said" and that's OK if that works for you.  Most of us got married to have someone to pull us from the muck when necessary- not leave because I said this or that and I'm not doing it.  BTW, I am very capable of learning from other's stories when they relate to me.  Your story didn't impress me as we have very different marriages.  However, it did make me appreciate my hubby that much more, as does Grant/Kelly's story.   Again, I'm glad you and your husband found strength through filing divorce- I just hope that for me and mine we can find strength in helping each other.   

 
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March 24, 2006, 7:50 am PST

For Grant...

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I thought your idea of digging my own hole until I came out in China was pretty funny. 

  

I have changed the focus of my perceived scrutiny from Kelly towards myself. 

As you might imagine, there are a few things I realized that are partly responsible for  

for what has been characterized as overly critical behavior. I passed some of those 

things along to our contacts with Dr Phil and they got some response. I hope to follow 

up and talk with Dr Phil about resolving the issues I presented him. 

  

Am I intended to get from your resent posts, PuttyCat, that there will not be a Tool Belt Hottie? 

That's too bad, I had a list prepared just for you. 

  

Grant, I'm LOVING the sarcasm.  I don't know if you've kept up with my posts.  (I've been out of the loop for for awhile, but you could read back)...I'm on your side here.  I'm one of the few, as I'm sure you've come to figure out.  I think that your ideas for the way to run a household are right on with maybe a little tweeking needed.  I just wanted to let you know that I've noticed a change in your posts from the beginning and I can tell that you're really working towards something great...Obviously your sarcasm has increased as the level of frustration with people constantly beating you to a pulp has continued, which is understandable...Women love to find faults in men.  It's been that way since we were given the permission to vote.  Women don't want equality.  They want the upperhand.  Finding a guy like you, with a few faults (which I will say, because your ideals aren't exactly what I would call perfect or even close to) is like letting a kid loose in a candy store.  They're going to have their way with you until concede.  I admire your determination and strong foundation to hold on to what you truly see as real and good in your life.  Keep on truckin'.
 
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March 24, 2006, 10:04 am PST

02/21 More Wifestyles

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Grant, I'm LOVING the sarcasm.  I don't know if you've kept up with my posts.  (I've been out of the loop for for awhile, but you could read back)...I'm on your side here.  I'm one of the few, as I'm sure you've come to figure out.  I think that your ideas for the way to run a household are right on with maybe a little tweeking needed.  I just wanted to let you know that I've noticed a change in your posts from the beginning and I can tell that you're really working towards something great...Obviously your sarcasm has increased as the level of frustration with people constantly beating you to a pulp has continued, which is understandable...Women love to find faults in men.  It's been that way since we were given the permission to vote.  Women don't want equality.  They want the upperhand.  Finding a guy like you, with a few faults (which I will say, because your ideals aren't exactly what I would call perfect or even close to) is like letting a kid loose in a candy store.  They're going to have their way with you until concede.  I admire your determination and strong foundation to hold on to what you truly see as real and good in your life.  Keep on truckin'.
OK let me see if I have this right. You think it is acceptable for a husband to berate and belittle a wife by grading her meals, and refusing to wear his wedding ring until everything is to his liking. Sounds to me like he is being very childish here. How about a fresh approach. How about he act like the man he portrays himself to be. Stop trying to be his wife's father and start being her husband. After all I believe she already has a father.
 
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March 24, 2006, 10:19 am PST

Maybe Bree Walsh

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Grant, I'm LOVING the sarcasm.  I don't know if you've kept up with my posts.  (I've been out of the loop for for awhile, but you could read back)...I'm on your side here.  I'm one of the few, as I'm sure you've come to figure out.  I think that your ideas for the way to run a household are right on with maybe a little tweeking needed.  I just wanted to let you know that I've noticed a change in your posts from the beginning and I can tell that you're really working towards something great...Obviously your sarcasm has increased as the level of frustration with people constantly beating you to a pulp has continued, which is understandable...Women love to find faults in men.  It's been that way since we were given the permission to vote.  Women don't want equality.  They want the upperhand.  Finding a guy like you, with a few faults (which I will say, because your ideals aren't exactly what I would call perfect or even close to) is like letting a kid loose in a candy store.  They're going to have their way with you until concede.  I admire your determination and strong foundation to hold on to what you truly see as real and good in your life.  Keep on truckin'.
and Gallen should hook-up.  You two are perfect for each other.
 
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March 24, 2006, 10:32 am PST

Educated?

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   is that he didn't see that Dr. P flipped topics on him. I think Dr. Phil was hoping he'd say " I need to do better and not be such an ass and help out where needed and just befriend my wife" , but  instead he got , " I need to find a better way so Kelly will strive to do better she just needs a manual or a list.......here you go Honey a list of 75 things you aren't so good at doing ...... when you get those down I'll be glad to give you 75 more.......and I'm not being mean, I'm trying to help you reach your full potential as a wife, a woman, a human being". (Then he kinda sniffles and looks away to hide the tears of compassion). 

    For a guy who is supposed to be so educated he sure dumped the bucket on sense. 

Perhaps. Emotional impaired?  Very possibly. Dumber than a box of rocks (where people relationships are concerned)? Definitely! 

  

My husband treats me with respect and compassion.  We expect respect and compassion from one another.  We laugh(a lot!) and have a standing rule that only one of us can be crazy at any given  time.  Because my man treats me this way, no matter how exhausted I am, how hard my day was or how low I may be, he is always my safe harbour.  Talk about an aphrodisiac!!   

  

The GGW has yet to figure this out.  Make your spouse your friend, please them and love them and you get back 10 times more than you put in. He'll never get this though because he's right and we're all wrong.  As I've said before, pity for Kelly and the kids. 

  

 
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March 24, 2006, 10:33 am PST

Right on sister!

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OK let me see if I have this right. You think it is acceptable for a husband to berate and belittle a wife by grading her meals, and refusing to wear his wedding ring until everything is to his liking. Sounds to me like he is being very childish here. How about a fresh approach. How about he act like the man he portrays himself to be. Stop trying to be his wife's father and start being her husband. After all I believe she already has a father.
I think there's a ditz on the board!
 
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