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(Original Air Date: 02/24/06) "I got stuck in traffic." "The check is in the mail." "No, you don’t look fat in those jeans." Everyone fibs once in a while, right? Dr. Phil talks to compulsive liars. Libby says her brother, Matt, destroyed their family with his conning and stealing. He ran up a $300 phone bill in his mother, Ellen’s, name, stole Libby’s social security number and racked up $6,000 worth of debt. Matt says he’s ready to come clean, but Libby and Ellen say he has told so many lies, they don’t know what to believe anymore. Then, Melinda feels her 14-year-old daughter, Tricia’s, lying is out of control. Tricia lied about being pregnant, but she has never had sex. She even told the police her father “beat the crap out” of her and had him arrested! Find out what prompts her to make up so many stories. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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July 4, 2006, 10:33 pm PDT

liar liar

My siblings and I recently found out that our eldest sister stole inheritance money from us when our mother passed away over 10 years ago. It has devistated us all and completely ripped the family apart. Our Dad died this past October and she had been "supposedly" taking care of him. It was then discovered that she had sold off his cars and had taken complete control of his finances and used them as she saw fit, including travel for herself and "gifts" and food for her kids. As a result of this conniving behavior, hardly any of us speak now. It is a horrible situation and I am ashamed to call her my sister.   

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July 5, 2006, 6:28 am PDT

I've known 2 people like this

My ex-husband was a liar compulsive liar.  I really could only blame his drug use for it.  2-1/2 years ago he was diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder.  I thought he was lying about that too.  Come to find out ....he was and woulkdn't take his meds.  Crazy like you've never seen before.  He took his own life 3 months or so ago.  This is a huge problem.  It went undiagnosed for 20-23 years for him.  But the lying was the first symptom.  He had lied since he was a little boy.  It is genetics that passes along this disorder.  Anyone ever experienced anything like this here?
 
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July 5, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

I understand totally

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My siblings and I recently found out that our eldest sister stole inheritance money from us when our mother passed away over 10 years ago. It has devistated us all and completely ripped the family apart. Our Dad died this past October and she had been "supposedly" taking care of him. It was then discovered that she had sold off his cars and had taken complete control of his finances and used them as she saw fit, including travel for herself and "gifts" and food for her kids. As a result of this conniving behavior, hardly any of us speak now. It is a horrible situation and I am ashamed to call her my sister.   

San Fran, CA  

I truely understand your situation. My sister decided that it was ok to make herself an interest free loan ( she's a die hard christian) from the estate money and reconditioned an old house with it. She did not ask me at all. Or even had any ententions of letting me know about it. And she was accueing me of being greedy, but all she did was take it all. I would not have even found out about it, except that I had an accident and broke my leg, was out of work for 3 months. I needed the money to pay bills and  should not have had to worry about my bills. I am still in debt up to my ass. It would be nice to be able to get my bank account out of the overdraft. She justifies it by saying that it was the only chance that she could get a house of that size. I am probably going to have to get a lawyer to get my money. And she has been a horrible bitch about it.. like it is my fault that I had an accident and found out about the estate being emptyed. And there is no finacial aid for a single woman. I get food stamps and that is it. I hate to say it. but if you are near 30 you might need to consider haveing a child if you want one, they will help someone with a child, but not a single woman. I did let her have most of the antiques because they should stay in the family. I now wish I had taken them, wether I wanted them or not and sold them. My butt is in huge debt because of the accident. I have huge amounts of medical bills and no way to even begin to pay them except a few little dollars here and there. the stress of robbing peter to pay paul to pay adams housecat is huge. 

and she feels justified in doing it because she has a "family" and I don't count because I am not married, not cristian and have no children. And she accuses me of being distant, hell, I always have to call her and chat. she never has ever called me unless she wants something. Like me to come and get envolved in her 6 year olds life. I have to work. I do not have a second income . I have to work as much as I can just to keep up with my bills and now have trouble paying just my basic bills. There will be no vacation. No money to fix my teeth and get set up enough to be able to date. Or even get these medical bills caught up. She has always hated me. She blames me for her not being able to enjoy a candy bar because of my size. And I know she has everyone else snowed includeing my mothers family.  She was not concerned about me at all. She is trying to keep me emotionally tied to the family just enough to keep me from takeing her to court for embezelment. 

     Earth mother goddess, please save me from the fanatical christians, cause they will screw you quicker and justify it by saying you are not a cristian, you are a sinner and it is ok to screw you, you are not married and it is ok to screw you because there is no one in your corner to help you. You are fat it is ok to do anything I want to you because you are not worthy of anything. Her newest complaint is that she will have to take care of me in my old age. I have told her not to worry about that, because I would rather blow my brains out than move in with her. Right before her 2nd wedding she had told me that when my mom died. I would have no family and she will because she will have his family to be with and that I would not be included.  

 

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July 5, 2006, 8:11 am PDT

07/05 Liar, Liar

>>>Quote From: jenoc99

I'm sorry but I couldn't help but have a hearty laugh that you end your post with a quote from the bible... a book written by Santa Clause, edited by the Easter Bunny and illustrated by the Tooth Fairy.  

   

Enjoying the mystery and magic of Christmas morning with the sparkle in a child's eye as they marvel at their gifts can't be compared to stealing a person's social security number, opening a credit card account, charging it up all the way and not paying a penny. To compare the two isn't logical or rational..... the only thing I see in your post is a person scrounging around for an excuse for themself<<<<


i agree. there is a difference between not destroying a childs innocence and out right lying about everything else.

i do beleive that one should live as honestly as possible--some times fudging things needs to be done. but if you can live as honestly as possible that is the best.
 
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July 5, 2006, 8:21 am PDT

My Sister Debbie, the Liar and Thief

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Lying to me just gets one  in deeper and deeper,you have to have a good memory to be a good liar,it is far better to be honest no matter what the consequences and face the music. 

When I catch a person out in a lie then they have lost my trust,whats that they say,honesty is the best policy and something I try to always live by. 

I couldn't believe my ears this morning as I flipped through the channels and seen Dr. Phil.  My phone started ringing off the hook and I had to call my Dad to tell him to watch.  I had the blinders taken off last summer when my mother went under the care of hospice.  I had seen the flags over the years but couldn't or didn't chose to believe them.  Over the years my sister had been given thousands and thousands of dollars to get out of debt, her children treated my Mom & Dad like they were trash (because that is how their parents treated them).   The children stole money and things from thier grandparents and my sister & husband used intimidation to control my mother.  I stayed out because I figured it wasn't any of my business that my mother & father wanted to help them.  My Mother became terminally ill October of 2004 and things began to snowball.  I will only hit the highlights......my sister & husband constantly wanted money for taxes, for bills for anything and everything.  Granted they both had decent jobs and shouldn't have wanted for anything but as with liars and thieves it is never enough.  Mine, mine, mine and more, more, more is all they know.  But demanding the money wasn't enough they had to start stealing it.  They had my parents sign blank checks and my sister filled them out as she saw fit.  Then they stole my mothers social security number and opened 9 credit cards in her name within two months and had my niece (who is 26) as an authorized user and the statements were sent to her address in Florida (my parents live in PA).  Deny, Deny, Deny even when proof was found in my sisters handwriting that she was involved up to her eyeballs.  And they even had taken out life insurance on the credit cards so when something happened to my mother they would be paid.  I could go on and on and I have black and white proof what they have done and they still have not left my Dad alone.  My mother passed away August 2005 and after 55 years of marriage my dad couldn't even grieve he has had to deal with the deceit of my sister and her family till this day.  He has been blamed, I have been blamed....we are the greedy ones and it is all about money for us.  They even lied to the credit card companies that my dad knew all about these cards and the lawyer advised him to lie that he knew nothing so he wouldn't have to pay them.   I would not have believe he evil that my sister is capable of if I hadn't experienced it. 
 
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July 5, 2006, 8:49 am PDT

wow!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>>Quote From: jenoc99

I'm sorry but I couldn't help but have a hearty laugh that you end your post with a quote from the bible... a book written by Santa Clause, edited by the Easter Bunny and illustrated by the Tooth Fairy.  

   

Enjoying the mystery and magic of Christmas morning with the sparkle in a child's eye as they marvel at their gifts can't be compared to stealing a person's social security number, opening a credit card account, charging it up all the way and not paying a penny. To compare the two isn't logical or rational..... the only thing I see in your post is a person scrounging around for an excuse for themself<<<<


i agree. there is a difference between not destroying a childs innocence and out right lying about everything else.

i do beleive that one should live as honestly as possible--some times fudging things needs to be done. but if you can live as honestly as possible that is the best.

the  bible is all  true  and its  GOD'S word!     Jesus  loves you!   the devil has you so fooled.   praying   for you!     

 
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July 5, 2006, 9:01 am PDT

A Lie Is A Lie!

After reading through this thread, I agree with the posters that say that a lie is a lie. 

  

It's pretty clear from watching this show and seeing Matt and Tricia's problems that not telling the truth has damaged their respective lives, maybe irrepairably(sp?). It's also pretty clear that excessive lying can lead to mental health issues. 

  

Even little white lies are bad because they can quickly grow into big "serious" lies. Y'know, the work of having to tell another lie to cover up for the first lie, then another lie to cover up for that lie that covered up for the original lie, and so on.  

  

Therefore, I feel that lying PERIOD just isn't a good thing to do. Subsequently, I made it a point in life to be as honest as I can. Sometimes that honesty can be brutal and create hard feelings, but at least there isn't any deception or confusion on where I stand regarding a certain issue. Throughout my childhood, I had the misfortune of running into several liars in my friends and family. Nothing really serious, thank goodness, but all the same it got really old constantly playing the guessing games that liars drag you into. As a positive though, I got really good at detecting lies! 

  

In closing, I personally have little respect or sympathy for liars, and I don't tolerate their actions. 

 
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July 5, 2006, 10:23 am PDT

I am just like Matt

This episode of Dr. Phil aired almost for devine reasons.  I just recently crashed from compulsive lying and stealing.  My family and my wife got together and basically hit me with an intervention about 3 weeks ago.  They are pushing me to get better, but only after bailing me out… again.   

  

 

 THE LIES  

 

 

  

What kills me about lying is that it can make one problem look like 10.  I’ve had my wife get mad at me for 3 or 4 different circumstances.  The sad thing is that the circumstances involved are all lies created to cover up one thing.  Instead of getting in trouble for one true occurrence, I’m now getting punished for 3 or 4 actions that never existed.  It’s even worse when you have a really good memory like I do.  I can lie, lie about lies, remember the lies, and build on them for longer periods of time.  Sometimes I even accept some of my own lies as truth which is also helpful when creating a false reality.  It’s like building a pyramid upside down.  One lie needs to be covered by two, those two need to be covered by four, those four are covered by eight and so on.  Eventually, there is too much information on that pyramid and it is going to fall one way or the other.  When that happens, the truth either comes out or a suspicion is accepted as the truth.  Either way, it’s not good.  The hard part is coming clean.  I've stolen from my parents, my wife, and borrowed from others many times without repaying.  I've committed credit card fraud, written bad checks, and written checks to myself from others.  I’ve broken many promises and hurt many people.  Honestly (if a liar can use such a word), the good intention is always there.  I want something nice for my wife, but we both know we don't have the money.  I treat her to the item or service anyway, create the story of some sort of small monetary good fortune, and viola', she's happy and I've bought time to replace the missing money.  The only problem is it never happens.  This is just an example, but it has happened several times in my life.  When the same money is missing later, instead of confessing that the previous lie was a lie, a new lie is formed for the missing money.  Now it appears that twice as much money is missing, because the two lies created added gain and added spending that never occurred.  Then there is a reassurance lie.  “I know we are now short on money, but...”  What comes after the "but" is of course another lie, but it buys more time.  Believe it or not, most of the lying originates from good intentions and not for my own personal gain.  In just this one example of my many wrongdoings, one good intention lead me down a path of lying and stealing.  Since the lying and stealing involved both my wife and my parents I figure that’s 40% of the commandments broken.  "The Road to Hell is Paved With Good Intentions."    

   

 

  

THE MONEY  

I found myself saying almost the same things Matt (on the episode of Dr. Phil) says when confronted about money.  The biggest thing I could relate to was the response, "I don't know" when asked where his money was going.  He got paid, yet he was not paying off his debts to his sister, and was not paying his bills, so where was the money going??  I say the exact same thing when confronted about my money.  "I don't know."  The startling thing is that 90% of the time, I do not know where it goes after it is gone.  If I go blow several hundred dollars on electronics or something for the house, that is not so easily overlooked.  I can walk through a store and end up impulse buying $5 or $10 worth of items, that are not needed and easily forgotten.  Repeatedly doing this really adds up and the money is going towards things that are easily forgotten.  Meals are another thing to make money disappear.  I actually love to cook for me and my wife, and I'm a pretty good cook if I do say so myself.  However, it is really easy for me to go blow money on a huge meal at a nice restaurant, even when I'm alone.  Money spent on services is easy to lose track of when you're a very unorganized person.  I love to go to sporting events.  Even though there are no major sports in my area, local high school and college games cost money.  $5 a ticket, $10 a ticket, 50/50 tickets, t-shirts, hats, food, gas, etc.  It's so easy to spend money at a sporting event, and I know that spending the money would upset my wife, so my attendance never happens.  If I'm never there I cannot get in trouble for spending the money, but where did the money go??  The worst part is, in most situations that a lie is used to cover missing money, the money is gone with nothing to show for it's absence.  This can only lead people to believe that it is going towards negative things such as drugs, gambling, or infidelity.  In my heart, I know that on a very small level, my wife and family feel that these things may be an issue even though I know that they are not.  How do I tell them that those things are not an issue and get them to believe it?  For a compulsive liar, convincing someone that the truth actually is the truth, takes much more work than persuading someone that a lie is the truth.  

   

  

  

RECOVERING  

Once you’re caught in a lie, it's not too difficult to regain someone's trust.  When you are caught in a series of continuous lies, your entire life becomes a novel found in the fiction section of the library.  Everyone follows the story, but they all know it is not real.  Trying to rebuild that trust is having to open up, come clean, and work towards correcting past mistakes taking measures to avoid future ones.  During this process, I've become a NON-FICTION book in the FICTION section of the library.  Now the stories are based on fact, each page is read, but the reader still believes the story to be false.  Just like this book needs references to be accepted as true, my words now require proof to be accepted as reality and not my own creation.  Receipts, letters, and constantly checking in when I am out of the house are some good examples.  I have no access to money that I do not need for daily living.  I don't expect it to be an overnight process, so I’m not trying to make light of the situation.  These are suggestions that were made to me that I am taking in order to regain trust and build a better tomorrow.  All I can do is work, do above and beyond what is asked of me, and pray.  However, I do not want to live in a bubble for the rest of my life worried that I’m going to make another mistake.  I want to provide, not deplete.  I want to relieve stress, not create it.  It will take time, but it can be done.  That’s what keeps me going.  

  

There is nothing malicious in my actions.  It's hard to believe you can love someone and then treat them poorly.  These are the people I love the most, and I did treat them terribly, so I know it is possible.  I will keep working until the next time I tell someone in my life that I love them, they believe it.  

 
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July 5, 2006, 12:29 pm PDT

Do the crime, Do the time!

I hope the Christopher Reeve Foundation Watched the show. They need to sue Matt  for ever penny he stoled from them plus interest. And his sister needs to sue so she can get her credit back.
 
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July 5, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

15YR OLD LIAR

SO HOW DO YOU HELP A 15YR OLD WHO LIES? MY SON WILL LIE ABOUT ANYTHING! HOW DO YOU HELP SOMEONE HIS AGE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LYING DOES TO HIMSELF AND TO EVERYONE AROUND HIM. I HAVE TOLD HIM..OVER AND OVER AGAIN. HIS BEHAVIOR DOESNT JUST EFFECT HIM IT EFFECTS OUR WHOLE FAMILY. HIS SISTER..FATHER..MYSELF..IT DOESNT SEEM TO MATTER. HES A GREAT KID AND GOOD PERSON. HE JUST CANT STOP LYING. HELP!
 
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