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Topic : 02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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Created on : Friday, February 24, 2006, 11:20:56 am
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Dr. Phil follows up with one of this year's most talked about couples: Charles and Tracy. Charles had been juggling his time between his wife and mistress. He wanted to have them both, so he came up with the perfect solution: polyfidelity, a relationship in which he is shared by the two women. Tracy says she can't express her anger over the affair because she doesn't know how. Will she fight for her rights for the first time in 20 years of marriage? Charles claims he said goodbye to the other woman, but why did it take four meetings? Is it "goodbye forever" or just "goodbye for now"? Plus, their oldest son speaks out about his father's behavior, and Tracy has a message for the other woman. Talk about the show here.

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March 1, 2006, 4:49 am PST

02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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 Honestly, I really could care less about the "God" stuff. 

In my opinion the only reason there was anything WRONG with the situation was because the wife didn't want to go along with it.  I mean the guy is MARRIED to her and he should at least respect her wishes.  I mean if I were her he would have gotten a swift kick in the groin for even THINKING about going there, but that's because _I_ don't lke to share.  Some people do, and there's nothing MORALLY wrong with that when everyone involved is okay with it. 

I don't see why everytime something comes up that offends someone's moral code they have to go and bring GOD into it.  It's like people need to mention a divine power so that their opinion feels like it's right, to add more weight to it.   I don't see why people can't just say  what they believe and why, with a concrete reason.  How does saying "God says this" or "God says that" make anyone have to THINK for themselves about why they believe something? Ugh....it just irritates me. 


Th "God Stuff" as you call it is a moral barometer for millions. We do not have to have God to help us choose right and worng.  It is our faith in his grace that makes us want to do good to further His kingdom.  I do not believe I have to be 100 % perfect o go to heaven, but following His laws or at least trying to may helop me to be a better person on Earth.
 
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March 1, 2006, 5:06 am PST

Charlie and Tracy

I think Dr. Phil should check with this couple again in another 6 months, or maybe even a month.  Charlie seemed very insincere and was saying exactly what Dr. Phil and Tracy wanted to hear...That boy's gonna cheat again !!!!!  What he said on the show to Dr. Phil and what he was saying in his kitchen to his wife were two different things. As Dr. Phil said, " he is one slick, articulate dude !!!"  I hope she does get help in finding herself and then she will realize she doesn't need a man who "actually surprised himself !" in the bedroom...UGH!  She deserves better !  

 
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March 1, 2006, 5:07 am PST

Wifestyle

  I can't belive that Grant had a list of seventy five things a wife should do.  This is the 21st century.  Thank God!  I would not put up with him at all.  I really believe the way boys are raised by their mother has a huge influence, on how they treat their own wives.  There were definitely some other issues going on that were not on the show.  Kelly seemed sweet and she could do much better.  I watched the 2/28 show.  Her self esteem must be really low.  It is unfortunate to see anyone put up with a spouse who is obviosly not appreciating all she does do. 

 
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March 1, 2006, 5:25 am PST

I am engaged

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Oh my.   I think we found another one.    Tell me sir, are you single also?

I am engaged  

 
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March 1, 2006, 6:43 am PST

Move On

My husband cheated on me when I became ill and I put him out and then we went to therapy and I let him come home, but here I am four and a half yrs later and it still hurts like it was just yesterday. Tracy you can move on and be better for it. I believe if I had not been ill, I had just had open heart surgery at age 45, that I would not have taken him back. We are Christian's and belong to a couple of Christian organizations where I have an unlimited source of women to talk to and they all love both of us dearly and some of them have stayed together after an affair and they say the same thing I do about the doubt, fear, insecurity and needing to know why? The pain of it does not go away and when you least expect it, it smacks you in the face and you go through all those initial feelings all over again. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, but if my husband was as egotistical as yours, I know I would not have taken him back. He is very sorry and has bent over backwards to prove he loves me and is in love with me, but I still have that wall up, just in case.   
 
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March 1, 2006, 6:44 am PST

To Tracy

  

Fact #1: People always want what they can't have! People alway, always ALWAYS want what they can't have! 

  

Tracy, if you really want to keep Charles (and God only knows why you would) you need to  

MAKE HIM LEAVE! 

  

Think about it...if he didn't want you, he would have left already.  Tracy, you are a beautiful, intelligent, articulate, sweet woman.  You have a beautiful home and wonderful boys. Why would he want to leave that?  Of course, he doesn't...so he hasn't. 

  

Once you MAKE HIM LEAVE, guarenteed, he will start focusing on YOU. ( He Will! He Will! He Will!)  Right now, he already knows where you are, what you do, who you are with and sadly, what you will put up with to have HIM in your life.  You are no mystery.  Tracy, you need to turn the tables.  You need to MAKE HIM LEAVE.  He will probably run to the other woman, which will be difficult for you, I know, but then at least You will know where he is and what he is doing (which he is doing now anyway), but  he will start wondering who YOU are with, what YOU are doing. You need to have minimal contact, and discuss only the necessary things.  Don't tell him where you spend your days.  Pull back! Pull away!  Change your hair! Change your daily routine! Meet more people!! Put some mystery back in Tracy! Charles' ego will not let you go!!  He may not act like it, because he is obviously very manipulative, but he's made no differently than the rest of the human race, he will want you once he understands he no longer has you. But by then, (fingers crossed here)  you may have gained some perspective, gotten used to him being gone and decided you ARE WORTH MORE! 

  

  

Fact #2: Nothing makes you forget someone faster,  than someone else. 

  

LADIES - Send Tracy, via Dr. Phil, letters on guys you might know who would appreciate a beautiful, articulate woman in their lives - even as friends!  

GUYS - If your single, send Tracy a note telling her she deserves better than this. Let her know she should not be settling for this. 

  

Fact #3: As Dr Phil says, you teach people how to treat you, and Same Sex Role Models are the strongest for their children. 

  

Tracy, you are teaching your sons that this is an okay to treat women.  Charles is demonstrating that this is how women should be treated. Your boys will suffer from that lesson when they are older. Good luck!! 

  

  

 
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March 1, 2006, 6:44 am PST

From Charles on the show

Whew........Most women and some men on these message boards are issuing  extreme venom. 

  

The real problems faced with most women is they have unresolved anger and contempt for men because of cheating or they were dumped. 

  

Please continue to send your hate on these message boards....it will help you vent your anger. 

  

I admit, a huge mistake.   

  

Also,   keep in mind we have four boys to raise ....yea I screwed up, but  now realize we have another chance to make amends as a whole family. 

  

  

Much to your dismay,  Tracy & I are renewing our vows on our 20th anniversary. 

  

Please send your prayers and positive thoughts to charlesontheshow@yahoo.com. 

  

We are "paying it forward" to spouses who are experiencing the effects of an affair.  

 
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March 1, 2006, 7:08 am PST

CHARLES CHARLES CHARLES

 
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March 1, 2006, 7:14 am PST

02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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I couldn't disagree with this reply more!  Is it really up to us to judge what anyone choses to do in their marriage?  NO ONE has the right to judge what a person decides to do in any given situation.  If you are such a big believer in KARMA you sould know that judging is as bad as doing.

  

 No its not our job to judge a person on what they do in their marriage, But to have someone sit here and admit that they are sleeping with another womens husband, and dont have a care in the world on what  kind of damage this may have on the family is just wrong!! 

  

 What im saying isn't passing judgement on anyone, it takes two for this to happen, Im just saying that this women is wrong. she has no respect for anyone, not even herself! And yes i do belive in Karma.. It's turned around and bite me in the azz plenty of times.! 

 
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March 1, 2006, 7:28 am PST

Oh, please.

Quote From: charles_

Whew........Most women and some men on these message boards are issuing  extreme venom. 

  

The real problems faced with most women is they have unresolved anger and contempt for men because of cheating or they were dumped. 

  

Please continue to send your hate on these message boards....it will help you vent your anger. 

  

I admit, a huge mistake.   

  

Also,   keep in mind we have four boys to raise ....yea I screwed up, but  now realize we have another chance to make amends as a whole family. 

  

  

Much to your dismay,  Tracy & I are renewing our vows on our 20th anniversary. 

  

Please send your prayers and positive thoughts to charlesontheshow@yahoo.com. 

  

We are "paying it forward" to spouses who are experiencing the effects of an affair.  

Like you would really change. You had plenty of chances to change, but yet, you continue to do the same thing over & over again. And yes, you totally screwed up badly, plus you do deserve all the hate that you're getting from us. It seems to me that you're enjoying this. Oh, & be prepared to get burned by lots of the users here, especially when you just gave out your E-mail address. I feel real bad for tracy after for what she keeps putting up with you. You just love to manipulate & brainwash her every chance you get. Hopefully, she'll see the light, & walk away from you. You don't deserve her, or any other woman.
 
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