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Topic : 02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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Created on : Friday, February 24, 2006, 11:20:56 am
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Dr. Phil follows up with one of this year's most talked about couples: Charles and Tracy. Charles had been juggling his time between his wife and mistress. He wanted to have them both, so he came up with the perfect solution: polyfidelity, a relationship in which he is shared by the two women. Tracy says she can't express her anger over the affair because she doesn't know how. Will she fight for her rights for the first time in 20 years of marriage? Charles claims he said goodbye to the other woman, but why did it take four meetings? Is it "goodbye forever" or just "goodbye for now"? Plus, their oldest son speaks out about his father's behavior, and Tracy has a message for the other woman. Talk about the show here.

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April 7, 2006, 8:27 am PDT

LOL!

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I just wanted to tell you I had a few posts that didn't make it thru too:>) OK well 3 or 4. But not tooooo bad. :>) I was floored when I was goofing around and that one actually went thru....my jaw dropped. But the next time I looked it was gone!!!!!!:>) Guess we got to behave ourselves!!! I'm really a nice person most of the time!! I even let people in ahead of me in traffic!!!!  

Welllll..... I'm up to two now that haven't been posted!  I'll try to behave myself! LOL!  

 
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April 9, 2006, 12:59 pm PDT

twisted Love : The aftermath

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There is a quote many of these messages bring to mind.  Love is not logical, it is based on emotion, feeling and instinct.  (Though many times I believe the negative instincts are ignored)Many hope filled, dreaming lovers can only see through fuzzy rose filled glasses.  I am not saying I am an exception to this.  There are many questions I ask myself and wonder if I am seeing the truth or seeing what it is I want to see and am I being optimistic, pessimistic, or at times just down right cynical. 

 Love may not be logical but people can be...its all a matter of choice. Your right you are Ignoring your instincts. I suggest you take off the fuzzy rose filled glasses you talk about and face reality. Your ARE seeing what you want to see...if you were optimistic you would be that way for the better not putting up with CRAP just for the sake of dreaming!
 
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June 17, 2006, 6:13 pm PDT

That is really the reason we could not see

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 Honestly, I really could care less about the "God" stuff. 

In my opinion the only reason there was anything WRONG with the situation was because the wife didn't want to go along with it.  I mean the guy is MARRIED to her and he should at least respect her wishes.  I mean if I were her he would have gotten a swift kick in the groin for even THINKING about going there, but that's because _I_ don't lke to share.  Some people do, and there's nothing MORALLY wrong with that when everyone involved is okay with it. 

I don't see why everytime something comes up that offends someone's moral code they have to go and bring GOD into it.  It's like people need to mention a divine power so that their opinion feels like it's right, to add more weight to it.   I don't see why people can't just say  what they believe and why, with a concrete reason.  How does saying "God says this" or "God says that" make anyone have to THINK for themselves about why they believe something? Ugh....it just irritates me. 


eye to eye on this or any other topic of morality.  I have a morality based on a Christian perspective and if you don't base your's on the same foundation, then we have basis of understanding.
 
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June 26, 2006, 3:22 pm PDT

Been there.......

My ex just left after changing the channel on the tv one night.  When I found him a few days later, he was at a house he had just rented w/ his "other".  When I confronted him, he said it was my fault, because I had "let our daughter move home".  She had been in a dorm during school---it seems he had told this other woman she could move in. 

I brought up the fact that we were married and that would never happen.  He said I just wasn't "giving her a chance" and that he was sure I'd like her if I'd just quit being so rude.   

He had a history of disappearing during our 24 year marriage---anywhere from a few hours to actually moving in w/ his "sister" for a few weeks.  I had researched and learned that since our youngest child was 13 that he would have a say in the terms of child visitation, so I filed for divorce the morning after he left.  I was through trying to fix my ex, tired of him blaming me for his unhappiness, and most of all tired of the mind games he played. 

When I told him I had filed for divorce he looked at me like I was crazy and said  "Why?".  When I reminded him that he had left our home and moved in with another woman he said it didn't have a thing to do with our marriage.   

Wham!  It finally hit me that he wasn't ever going to change because he didn't think anything was wrong.  I told him that I wasn't the only one that thought what he was doing was wrong----his answer was that "if anyone thought he was doing anything wrong they should read their Bible." 

Double wham!!!  I knew I had to get out. 

That was six years ago.  It's been rough.  I've had to file w/ the attorney general's office because he has ignored child support orders.  So far he's been able to send about 5% of what he owes ----not much help from the AG office.   

He lives a few blocks from me and hasn't seen our children since the day he left six years ago.  He's missed graduations, a wedding (I had the honor of walking my daughter down the aisle, the birth of a precious grandbaby.  It's his loss. 

My advice to this woman?  I'll give her the same advice my daughter gave me.  She was 20 at the time and she said "Mother......please think enough of yourself to get rid of Dad." 

 
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June 26, 2006, 6:58 pm PDT

Tracy and Charles

Tracy you said to leave you and Charles alone.....Why did you bother to ask for help?  A tiger won't change it's stripes any more than Charles will change his behavior.  If it's not with her, it will be someone else.  Please get professional help for yourself.  After that, things will become clearer.  Don't worry so much about the kids, they already know what is going on.  You and Charles are hurting them more for staying in this mess than you would be separated.  I am sure there is a lot of friction at home.  Bet your kids keep to themselves a lot.  And your probably wonder why.  Don't have friends over much, do they?   They can't handle this.  You are the adult.  After you get help for yourself than get help for your kids.   It doesn't matter who started it.  It's what you do with it after it comes to light.  You will have to be strong for yourself and your kids, so get yourself taken care of first.  Secrets like this aren't good  your kids to have to carry around.  Tracy, I wish you the strength to deal with this for you and your children.  

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June 27, 2006, 6:22 am PDT

02/27 Twisted Love: The Aftermath

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Tracy you said to leave you and Charles alone.....Why did you bother to ask for help?  A tiger won't change it's stripes any more than Charles will change his behavior.  If it's not with her, it will be someone else.  Please get professional help for yourself.  After that, things will become clearer.  Don't worry so much about the kids, they already know what is going on.  You and Charles are hurting them more for staying in this mess than you would be separated.  I am sure there is a lot of friction at home.  Bet your kids keep to themselves a lot.  And your probably wonder why.  Don't have friends over much, do they?   They can't handle this.  You are the adult.  After you get help for yourself than get help for your kids.   It doesn't matter who started it.  It's what you do with it after it comes to light.  You will have to be strong for yourself and your kids, so get yourself taken care of first.  Secrets like this aren't good  your kids to have to carry around.  Tracy, I wish you the strength to deal with this for you and your children.  

Susan   

This show actually aired originally in January or February.  It is my understanding that they have both worked really hard on healing their marriage.  Having been there and approaching the 2 year mark on the healing of my marriage, I know it can be done.  From what I know of them, they are a lovely couple who went through a rough and confusing time, as do a lot of couples.  With priorities in place they will continue to see success in their marriage.  My thoughts and prayers are continually with this family.   
 
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June 27, 2006, 1:04 pm PDT

TWISTED LOVE: THE AFTERMATH

I would have kicked him to the curb.  He doesn't know how to be honest.  I guess in today's society and with the morals that we don't have any longer in society he figured he wasn't cheating.  

  

Well, in my opinion he was.   

  

Yes, they have 4 boys but what is that teaching their sons - to disrepect women and be deceiptful and dishonest.     

  

He couldn't even look Dr. Phil in the eyes when he spoke and he tried more than once to justify what he was doing.   

  

In my opinion, it will probably happen again but this time he won't be so honest.  

  

 
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June 28, 2006, 7:18 am PDT

He is a Joke

He is not going to give up the other woman , he wants the best of both worlds. 

I would kick his sorry ass out as soon as you get home. 

You deserve much better than that, you have four kids to think of. 

Tracy get your head out of the sand, He just wanted Dr Phill to say it was ok for him to have the best of both worlds. 

No way mate your a joke , you made a life time bond with this woman, and she does  not deserve to be treated like this. 

Tell him to get out so you and your children can have the life you deserve. 

 
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June 28, 2006, 9:26 am PDT

TRACEY AND CHARLES

    I think Tracey should dump Charles, he doesn't deserve her.  Let the other woman have him and see how long it will take for her to get sick of him. He seems to me to be very FAKE and self absorbed.  He has the best of both worlds and is loving it. No matter who gets hurt.   If Tracey  met someone else Charles would fall all over himself trying to get her back. He is very insensative to anyone elses feelings. Tracey i wish u luck and i hope u will BE STRONG. This situation is not good for u or ur boys...........
 
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July 3, 2006, 4:33 pm PDT

I feel sorry for their children...

I cannot believe this guy tried to have an "open" affair while he is raising four boys (or any children for that matter). Is there any wonder why children in this country turn out like they do? Many people with children have posted messages supporting this fantasy lifestyle. How sad is that? I feel sorry for any children who have to grow up in this state of confusion. Charles talked about this lifestyle being accepted in other cultures...Well, go live in another culture. Where this does exist in other cultures, it is both the husband AND wife who have other partners. Think you can handle that Charles? I don't think so. In America we call it adultery. No matter how cute people try to make it sound, "poly fidelity" and "poly amory" are nothing more than politically correct terms for cheating. Just because two people agree to it doesn't make it right if there are children involved. Unfortunately, they don't get to have input. Adults/parents are so seflish. They want to satisfy their lustful desires or fill their emotional lack with someone else at any costs...never mind what it teaches/does to their chidren. 

  

It takes maturity, trust, SELF love, and respect to make a marriage work well. Cowards, such as Charles and others who turn to these "alternative" relationships, are too insecure, weak and selfish to try to make their marriages work. Instead, they go with the immediate self-gratification and throw their spouse and/or children to the wind just to have what they want. I have no respect for people who don't work on the most important relationship they have. And even less respect for the women and men who interfere and agree to be shared. 

  

If these alternative lifestyles were so okay, people should make their wife/husband aware of their desire before they get married. They don't because it's something they make up along the way in order to avoid the messiness of a divorce and separation from their children. 

  

Charles said he couldn't understand why he didn't leave. I know why. Charles didn't want to leave Tracy because he didn't want to pay alimony or child support for four kids. He knows that would have costed him dearly, and would have interfered with what he could afford to do with the other woman (the trophy he wanted on his arm). The fact that he told Tracy he wouldn't support her if she found another man is proof of his selfishness and arrogance. If he truly wanted a poly fidelity relationship, he would allow Tracy to find another partner as well. 

  

I read the follow-up, and I don't believe he wants to or is really going to end his relationship with the mistress. If so, he would not have met with her four times to do so. His disrespect for Tracy is never-ending. I wish them well, but I don't think it's over for him. If not his current mistress, there will be someone else. If so Tracy, make sure you find a hot, sexy, LOVING man to share your life with as well. 

 
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