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(Original Air Date: 03/01/06) What can you do if your spouse has a cheating heart? Rick’s wife, Kandice, cheated on him less than a year ago, and he suspects she's at it again. Is Rick just being paranoid, or is Kandice not telling the whole truth? Find out when Dr. Phil reveals what he caught on camera. Then, Arianna thought she had it all: a wonderful husband, two beautiful kids and a happy marriage ... until recently when the ugly truth came out in a shocking way. How did she find out about her husband's philandering? Can he learn to be faithful? Dr. Phil has strong words to set him straight. With a dark cloud of lies, deceit and infidelity hanging over a relationship, can you ever trust a cheater again? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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March 1, 2006, 8:17 am PST

It's about respect

If for no other reason than the fact that at SOME point in your life you loved this person, you owe the respect of telling them you are unhappy and you either a)want to fix what's wrong or b) you want out. 

  

You are an adult, behave like one. If you've messed up, own up to your mistakes and take your lumps. Life isn't easy and no one ever promised you it would be. You aren't ENTITLED to happiness, you have to work for it. If you aren't happy, you need to admit that for whatever reason and deal with it. 

  

Cheating is for chickens or for sociopaths. Either you are too scared to deal with the justified anger and disappointment of your spouse, so you cheat to get what you want without having to pay the consequences, or alimony, or child support (which just makes you an ass) or you are selfish, entitled brat who thinks that life and all it's gifts is OWED to you and you owe no one anything.  

  

One thing I cannot stand is when adults act like 12 yr olds.  

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:18 am PST

CHEATERS

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I was only able to watch one show on this topic, and i found myself wanting to respond only to find that i couldn't even find my post on another thread.  The response to this topic is huge.  Largely because many have had experience with it and can identify with the people on the show.  Most people who have posted are angry, why?  Is it that bad out there that one can't find what they want and need?  I'm talking about a co commited relationship with a high level of respect trust and Love yes Love...  I'm seperated and almost devorsed and have been looking to start new freindships.  And the sense is that women my age are mostly jaded, suspisious, apprehensive, and the list goes on.  What has happened to our Generation?  

  

For people who are affraid to be alone, my generation are doomed to be alone.  Who wants to pay the price for others behaviors, I don't.  Everyone seems to be so black and white, over protective, and stuck in the past.  Perhaps a good show would be on how to heal a nation and teach us on good relationships and how to find the relationship we are looking for, and being able to navigate through a healthy relationship, in a healthy way. 

  

God knows I want to find Love, However I find myself saying no to a multitude of issues that I don't want to take on.  I dont need to prove myself to someone who is stuck on other peoples issues.  I'd rather be alone then have to prove myself.  And these threads just show how prevelent our own issues color our decision making process when it comes to love. 

  

themindbomb 

  

When Society treats women better...and stops with the Boys will be Boys attitude....tis will be a better place...I know I have six brothers, cousins, uncles and male friends that believe that they can do what they want and not face the consequences...our day will come....we are all growing older and when we are sick and need someone to care for us...these jerks may not have that one.. 

  

Furthermore, women need to stop acting desperate...there is so much to life...know that we are still the ones left with the bundle...not to mention the spiritual demise...do we really believe we are the stronger sex....lets help one another to be that....there is love all around you...sex is not love... 

 

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March 1, 2006, 8:22 am PST

What timing this show has for me!

I didn't see the show, just read what's on the website.  My fiance & I broke up last night.  There is something each of these guys said that rings so true for my situation.  The first guy mentioned an emotional affair is just as bad as a physical one.  Well, the 7 years we were together I never felt jealousy towards any woman he was friends with until "N" showed up.  When he started to see I was getting bothered by his relationship with her, especially since it coincided with problems we were having, he then decided to keep their friendship a secret from me. He insisted to me there was nothing there but a friendship and he barely talked to her anymore.  Well, luckily he's not too educated in email use because she recently got a new email account & they've been emailing back & forth for the last few weeks, & not only did he not empty his deleted items folder but also didn't realize messages could be stored in the sent items folder.  I still choose to believe nothing physical happened, but i do believe they have a relationship that crossed the line from friendship.  It hurts just as much to know he had feelings for someone other than purely physical ones while with me. 

  

The second guy said he had thought the problems they had were because she needed to change, but now he realizes HE's the one who has to change.  My ex finally told me last night he's having a huge struggle with getting married to me, and has realized it's not anything I did or did not do, it's his problem for the most part.  Cheaters like to blame the spouse/significant other for making them stray, when in reality THEY are the ones with the problem!! 

  

  

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:31 am PST

confusion

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i know it's scary- scary isn't even the word. paralyzing, to consider making it on your own. but if you can somehow bring yourself to do it- without looking back- in just a few months, you will ASTONISH youself with how strong you are. i guarantee this. you can't see it now, but closing the door on this man will open up other, much better doors. but not at first. at first will be the hardest. "at first" being 1 month, then 3, then it'll happen: it'll get easier. then it'll be the best decision you ever made. I hope you get to experience what i'm talking about. find inspiration in your bookstore, "self-help" section.
I feel your pain.  There is no is easy answer.  I have always quoted "turn your back on the disrespectful cheater, and never look back."  But here I sit wondering what to do myself.  In 2002, I accused my husband of an affair..he lied...when I persisted w/my gut feelings, life got crazy w/fights, arguments, name calling, actions I was not use to seeing from my husband.  He refused marriage counseling.  I asked for time out of this marriage, and then the diagnosis of depression came for him, which then turned into ADD diagnosis.  Feeling like an evil wife, he is sick, so how could I leave him.  Some things in life got better, but his personality seemed so different.  He works full-time plus owns a side business.  I was feeling left out and went back to college full time after quitting career mgmt. for 22 years.  I didn't like the person I lived with, I took my vows way too serious.  I never planned on getting married, but did in my mid thirties and vowed it would only be once and forever.  I was struggling with the vow of sickness and being slightly confused with the menopausal transition but my gut instinct kept verbalizing out loud "are you seeing someone else?"  The answer was always "don't be so ridiculous.  I am adjusting to my medicines.  My husband has mood swings from being diabetes one, depression, ADD, and a recovering alcohol and drug addict personality (clean for 20 yrs.).  So I kept telling myself that I was the crazy one and maybe marriage wasn't for me,  the first 10 years seemed blissful, I was happy, then life seemed to be spiraling downward.  My husbands actions seemed to be getting even more difficult and crazy.  It wasn't until someone moved in w/us that I realized life was just not right.  I had a serious vision and hired a private investigator to see who was crazy.  The joke was on him.  Pictures don't lie!  Yet he continued to lie and was quite hysterical.  You see as time unraveled, my husband was on his 3rd piece of gutter trash.  We are talking serious low down.  What a mess!  The next 6 mos was pure hell, gutter woman threatening me because I took away their income and busted all their lies.  They seemed quite scared for these compromising photos to get out.(funny).  All phone numbers were changed, restraining orders issued, and security for myself for awhile.  We have been in counseling for 11/2 yrs.  My husband was so whacked out, the personalities of ADD, the period of "dry drunk"(AA term), obsessive compulsive, the issues of health, that most of the recovery time is being focused on him.(I ordered every test possible out there for truth on his issues) .  I take it one day at a time, some days are hard to get motivated, I am still very hurt from all the lies and how did he become so messed up, was I naive or blind those first 10 years. We have been together 16 yrs and I make no promise but to work on it day by day.  I no longer believe in those vows, all lies, and promise to never do it again.  I ask myself to be patient, will he get his life in order, can he resemble the man I married. My husband was on the verge of falling off from life, because of that I let him back in a little too soon.  I felt pressured to save his life (advice from addiction counselors and ministers)I still ask "what about me?" his illnesses are very self-centered and they require alot of time to get him back on track and so therefore I still get lost in the process.   
 
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March 1, 2006, 8:45 am PST

my ex husband

 it upsets me because he cheated for 3 yrs before he left i never new he was cheating he had an affair with this woman that he met on a dirty website  and she is a school teacher and the school says there is nothing they can do about it  she still teachers specaial ed students. 

but the part that makes me the madist is that he new he was cheating and he said lets get you a van because mine was messed up and he even said lets get the room addition put on knowing he was cheating. 

and the part that gets me is he pays no child support and he pays nothing on the credit cards and our daughter got a job to help out dwith the bills  she is only 17 and in the 11th grade. 

but it makes me mad he gets away with everything  he even stoled a check from his sister forged her husbands signuature and all he has to do is community services instead of jail time like his sister wanted. 

he gets off easy paying nothing  and i am struggling he left me for kinky sex and i just found out the reason he did not leave when he first started the affair was because he did not want to be brought into her divorce so he had to wait to leave  he had an affair with her from 2002 until he left in july 2006. 

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:51 am PST

make him pay

I believe that if he/she cheats once, it will happen again.  If you want to give your spouse another chance,  he has to use a condom when with you, make him sign papers giving up something substancial if it happens again.  ex.  house, car, his retirement.  Give them a real incentive to be faithful.  Be sure to make the agreement legal.  It is not expensive to hire a PI if you suspect them again.
 

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March 1, 2006, 8:54 am PST

03/01 Cheaters

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I also was always very judgemental until a year ago this month.  I had an affair when I was angry at my husband to get "back at him."   When finally alone with the other man, I realized that it was absolutely not what I wanted and realized that I never would want to do that again.  I totally do not believe "once a cheater, always a cheater"  I realized that day, how much I am in love with my husband and how much I want to only be with him the rest of my life.  I have not told him, and I don't know if I should.  I don't want to hurt him.  I felt more passion for him in the past year than ever before.  I think in a weird way, this was a good thing for my marriage.  I just wish I re-discovered my love for him in another way. 

  

  

As much as people love the one-size-fits-all answer, there simply isn't one.  In your marriage, maybe this event WAS the cementing of your commitment and in others and event like that would be a disaster.  In some marriages confessing it is right and in other marriages keeping the secret is right.  I think you should talk this over privately with a counselor because you have to admit that you need some help deciding what is best in your case.
 
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March 1, 2006, 8:55 am PST

03/01 Cheaters

I am a new member, I stayed home last week and caught the show on cheaters.  I have been married for 17 years and I found out 5 years ago that my husband cheated with our family friend (her husband was his best friend) 7 years earlier.  When I found out it brought back such a flood of bad memories. I had asked him several times if he cheated and he always made me feel like i was crazy.  My problem is that I stuck it out with him (i went to counseling, he would not) but I can not trust him. Any suggestions? 

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:55 am PST

FORGIVE AND GROW UP

I AM IN A MARRY THAT MY HUSBAND CHEATED,OUT OF THE AFFAIR,A CHILD WAS CONCEIVED.YES,I WAS HURT AND YES I WAS ANGRY,HURT.I THEN CHEATED TO GET BACK AT HIM.BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.I JUST BELITTLED MYSELF. AFTER 3 YEARS I HAVE FORGIVEN MY HUSBAND AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR MARRIAGE WORK. BUT I REALIZE IF YOU DO NOT WORK AT  YOUR MARRIAGE TOGETHER IT WILL NOT WORK. PLEASE TALK AND LOVE YOUR MATE.SO MANY TAKE MARRIAGE FOR GRANTED. 

 
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March 1, 2006, 8:59 am PST

Would I be safer/better off alone?

 I've always been critical of woman who "stay" with a cheater as well.  I had an abusive husband my first time around, I am aware of how over time I was afraid to break free to see if I could make it on my own.  But, years later after I have even worked with abuse survivors, I find myself married to what I thought was Mr. Perfect.  As it turns out, he promised to give up his relationship with an old "fling" but did not, they have kept in tough on line and even discussed getting together physically.  We've sought counseling, but I get the feeling my hubby does not want really want to go.  He said..."when you get cut you put a bandied on it, you don't keep pouring lemon juice on the wound".   I feel I have rebuilt a lot of my trust for him, but he has done some things that raise red flags for me.  One of which is installing a messenger (he only msg's other woman, his ex in particular) when I ask him about these things he says "I don't know" or comes up with such a bizarre excuse ....nobody could believe it.  Yet, if I question his "excuse", somehow I am responsible for our relationship problems..by not trusting him.  Oy!  I must have ghosts I was unaware of before, because they keep downloading pictures and other items that he SWARES to have no concept of.  Even went so far as to suggest my son may have downloaded one....my son has a healthy libido.. his own computer...and no interest in clothed middle-aged woman (like the one left open on my computer).  Most recently I installed a key logger, *shakes head* upon his discovering it is there (we are both geeks), he's decided to download a key logger monitor program, change his password on his e-mail and basically refuse to discuss the "red flags" which caused the suspicion, refuses to discuss anything until I delete it.  He has sat and listened to me ..............pour out my heart to him, wait for his input and....only to state ...how I need to get rid of the stupid logging program.  Like a stubborn little boy (I know names do not help). He has made the "key logger" the problem in our relationship, rather than dealing with the real issue or perhaps to justify his cheating again.  I have told him very personal things..things I've not shared with anyone...or my deepest fears...only to have it met with silence....or he "falls asleep".  But, no acknowledgment that I have even shared something very personal to him, let alone letting me know I have the "right to feel" what I am feeling.

Advice is welcome..........
 
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