Topic : An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Number of Replies: 1075
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Friday, March 03, 2006, 09:33:47 am
Author : trtlelove

For the record, this topic has been posted to accomodate many threads that tend to end up discussing religion and our beliefs about God, etc.   We would like to maintain an open and peaceful tone for all to participate and simply share their points of view and experience, exchanging ideas, asking and answering each other's questions, etc.

 

From my own personal experience, I have been writing mostly on the original "Twisted Love" thread so if anyone wants to get more background they can look me (or anyone else) up there by using  "Search Boards" above (next to "Boards Archive" and "Profile", etc.) and type in any of our user names in the "blank box".  This will bring up everything we have posted and the responses we have given to each other's posts.

 

Peace and Love All-Ways,

 

Turtle Love (user name "trtlelove")




Message Emote
blank
March 3, 2006, 5:03 pm PST

An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Quote From: fredastare

In previous posts in other forums there can tend to be what I feel are over zealous perhaps even in your face people with almost rigid criteria for what makes a Christian.  Am wrong for feeling sadness and sometimes even anger when they are clearly annoying others with continued 'preaching' so to speak? 

  

In one way I feel truly delighted when someone has found a path that is Good and Loving.  Yet there are moments that I question their sincerity of the Love for  God.  Yet when a few speak of fearing the Lord and really instill the negetive and even frightening aspects found in the Old Testament and the Book Of Revelations, I cringe.  I wonder whether it serves the ego, instead of the soul?   

  

I Believe that it is a wise and beautiful thing to 'fear' Our Lord.  Not in a trembling and worrisome way of thinking of fire and brimstone, more in the way one fears dissapointing their mom and dad.  A healthy fear that keeps in check with our conscience and allows us to live with dignity and pride.   

  

So aside from my annoyance of this behaviour, what is my root cause for feeling this way?  My intellect tells me that it may be due to my own dislike of perhaps an inner doubt I may unknowingly have regarding my own Spirituality?   

  

Plus another thing that I am working on is in discerning the Tiger.  It is very helpful, and I have met situations in a completely foreign manner from my former ways!  Yet there are times that I feel compelled to aid one who I feel is unjustly being treated, and especially if there was no provocation to warrant such treatment. 

  

If you search my posts you may find one I believe yesterday or perhaps the day before.  I was growing frustrated for Ploppypop, and Charles & Tracy and others..........and I posted a message.  I felt a need to protect Ploppypop and the others, (people I don't really know).  I have always carried this trait with me, it's just I'm learning to subdue my feelings of 'right fighting'.  Why do I want to help others - not a Saint here, I've been a contemptable sinner, and just wonder why I allow others' anger and affect me? 

  

 your thoughts will be appreciated, 

  

Peace 

I find the "bible thumpers" annoying because they contaminate the teachings of Jesus AND their rigid, rule-oriented religion impedes their own and other people's ablility to see the clear path that God has laid out for us at our feet.   

  

I do not fear God just as I never feared my parents.  I loved them and (other than a teen rebellion) making them proud of me has always been my desire.  I have made them happy so far and that in return has given me a happy life. 

  

It sounds like your path is clear to you-you will fight the fight for the underdog.  If that is what your soul pulls you to do-do it with passion.  But don't let yourself forget the example we recieved in the life lived by Jesus and I look at the life lived by Mother Teresa the same way.  They give a good example about living your real life with passion and still retaining grace and kindness.  

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
March 3, 2006, 5:03 pm PST

Stay True to Your Heart

Quote From: fredastare

In previous posts in other forums there can tend to be what I feel are over zealous perhaps even in your face people with almost rigid criteria for what makes a Christian.  Am wrong for feeling sadness and sometimes even anger when they are clearly annoying others with continued 'preaching' so to speak? 

  

In one way I feel truly delighted when someone has found a path that is Good and Loving.  Yet there are moments that I question their sincerity of the Love for  God.  Yet when a few speak of fearing the Lord and really instill the negetive and even frightening aspects found in the Old Testament and the Book Of Revelations, I cringe.  I wonder whether it serves the ego, instead of the soul?   

  

I Believe that it is a wise and beautiful thing to 'fear' Our Lord.  Not in a trembling and worrisome way of thinking of fire and brimstone, more in the way one fears dissapointing their mom and dad.  A healthy fear that keeps in check with our conscience and allows us to live with dignity and pride.   

  

So aside from my annoyance of this behaviour, what is my root cause for feeling this way?  My intellect tells me that it may be due to my own dislike of perhaps an inner doubt I may unknowingly have regarding my own Spirituality?   

  

Plus another thing that I am working on is in discerning the Tiger.  It is very helpful, and I have met situations in a completely foreign manner from my former ways!  Yet there are times that I feel compelled to aid one who I feel is unjustly being treated, and especially if there was no provocation to warrant such treatment. 

  

If you search my posts you may find one I believe yesterday or perhaps the day before.  I was growing frustrated for Ploppypop, and Charles & Tracy and others..........and I posted a message.  I felt a need to protect Ploppypop and the others, (people I don't really know).  I have always carried this trait with me, it's just I'm learning to subdue my feelings of 'right fighting'.  Why do I want to help others - not a Saint here, I've been a contemptable sinner, and just wonder why I allow others' anger and affect me? 

  

 your thoughts will be appreciated, 

  

Peace 

 Dear Fred,

I think there is always resistance to change, and we humans seem to be the worst about that.  I see the seeds in my garden and that just can't wait to break through and grow and reproduce and die and become compost so they can come back and do it all over again.

I think with the case of Charles and Tracy, the hardest thing for most people to grasp is that he could have loving feelings for both his mistress/friend and wife/life partner at the same time.  Not only that, but for him to have the "balls" to come on national television suggesting that there might be another way to deal with the situation, other than the age old "traditional" one; well, you know, he's challenging a tradition that is thousands of years old.  So you can expect a considerable amount of resistance.  Remember though, how I have said that "resistance" is part of the process here.  Each of us has to decide how we are going to respond to that.

Nevertheless, I think things are going to continue to change.  Hopefully, people will start to feel more free to practice love in a way that is meaningful for them, and maybe that's the better word to use rather than "right" or "appropriate".

At least, that's what I'm hoping for and I think Victor Frankl, Nazi concentration camp survivor and author of  Man's Search for Meaning might agree.  We need to honor each persons search for meaning in their lives and in their relationships.

Peace,

Turtle Love
 

Message Emote
blank
March 3, 2006, 7:24 pm PST

Ah yes I see...........

Quote From: judyblue22

I find the "bible thumpers" annoying because they contaminate the teachings of Jesus AND their rigid, rule-oriented religion impedes their own and other people's ablility to see the clear path that God has laid out for us at our feet.   

  

I do not fear God just as I never feared my parents.  I loved them and (other than a teen rebellion) making them proud of me has always been my desire.  I have made them happy so far and that in return has given me a happy life. 

  

It sounds like your path is clear to you-you will fight the fight for the underdog.  If that is what your soul pulls you to do-do it with passion.  But don't let yourself forget the example we recieved in the life lived by Jesus and I look at the life lived by Mother Teresa the same way.  They give a good example about living your real life with passion and still retaining grace and kindness.  

It sounds much more endearing and far less threatening when the 'fear of God' is re-thought of as simply in making Him proud.  Much like we do/did with our parents. 

  

I still have some work to do in not only living life with passion, but am definitely working on my kindness every day.  A little while ago I decided to incorporate deliberate acts and thoughts of Kindness and Love toward all people and all things I encountered in my day to day activities.   

My inner peace has begun to over shadow former anxieties.  It's quite lovely. 

  

Peace 

Fredi 

 
User Mood
Sad

Message Emote
blank
March 3, 2006, 8:26 pm PST

Just found this board

I am doing a bible study right now and got my last test back 

  

one of the few questions I got wrong is 

There are some people/nations/races that God does not love 

True or False 

  

Another is 

The real cure and remedy for sin is found in more education 

True/false 

  

There is only one side to the forgiveness of sin,and that one side is the offer of God tho=rough Christ to save us. 

  

What would you answer and  why? 

Mary 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 5:05 am PST

You Become What You Meditate On

Quote From: fredastare

It sounds much more endearing and far less threatening when the 'fear of God' is re-thought of as simply in making Him proud.  Much like we do/did with our parents. 

  

I still have some work to do in not only living life with passion, but am definitely working on my kindness every day.  A little while ago I decided to incorporate deliberate acts and thoughts of Kindness and Love toward all people and all things I encountered in my day to day activities.   

My inner peace has begun to over shadow former anxieties.  It's quite lovely. 

  

Peace 

Fredi 

 Fredi,

Seems you are starting to notice directly how this works. : ))  Good for you and for the people who come into contact with you. : ))

Peace,

Turtle Love
 

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 7:33 am PST

An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Quote From: fredastare

It sounds much more endearing and far less threatening when the 'fear of God' is re-thought of as simply in making Him proud.  Much like we do/did with our parents. 

  

I still have some work to do in not only living life with passion, but am definitely working on my kindness every day.  A little while ago I decided to incorporate deliberate acts and thoughts of Kindness and Love toward all people and all things I encountered in my day to day activities.   

My inner peace has begun to over shadow former anxieties.  It's quite lovely. 

  

Peace 

Fredi 

It is interesting how we can reap rewards from activities that we do intending to benefit others.  I think it is part of that inscrutable plan we hear about.   

  

Last spring, I had a brain hemmorhage from a birth defect (I'm 46!) and almost died.  After that I thought about what would have happened if I had died and I decided to write a letter to everyone I love and express clearly what they mean to me.  I am still doing it-person by person.I intended those letters to be some solace for others when I die but what I found was that I have gained such peace and joy from that outward focus.  I agree...it is quite lovely : ) 

 

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 7:38 am PST

An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Quote From: contrary

I am doing a bible study right now and got my last test back 

  

one of the few questions I got wrong is 

There are some people/nations/races that God does not love 

True or False 

  

Another is 

The real cure and remedy for sin is found in more education 

True/false 

  

There is only one side to the forgiveness of sin,and that one side is the offer of God tho=rough Christ to save us. 

  

What would you answer and  why? 

Mary 

There are some people/nations/races that God does not love -false. 

  

The real cure and remedy for sin is found in more education -false. 

  

God love us all -Muslim, Christian or Hindu-human, dog or chicken. He doesn't pick and choose who among his creations to love. 

  

I think that the cure for sin is love because I think that the cause of sin is the lack of love. 

 

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 9:17 am PST

Oh How I Try.........

Quote From: trtlelove

 Fredi,

Seems you are starting to notice directly how this works. : ))  Good for you and for the people who come into contact with you. : ))

Peace,

Turtle Love

Yes Turtle the rewards of living and enabling one's heart to swell with All is a gift.  The gift is in my view almost selfish, as it fills my heart with contentment.    Enlightenment comes to those who seek, even those who may not realize they are searching on a conscious level - that is what I have come to believe.  I am praying that one day I will no longer need to tell myself to appreciate and Love everyone and everything around me.  I do hope that it will manifest into what Dr.Phil often describes as 'a new tape running through my mind'. 

  

I am still re-reading all of the posts on the other threads.  Everyone has such a gentle and accepting Spirit in sharing their beliefs and Hearts.  I hope to be 'up to speed' with all, but if I lag just point me in the right direction.  If what I may ponder here has already been addressed in another quote.  

  

Now a question to all...............what to do when in our life we indeed discern a Tiger!  And there is no possibility of moving away from that Tiger?  What if that Tiger has a great influence on not only you, but your loved ones and your community?  I understand that this is rather a broad and open ended question, so if you would like a bit more info I will try and provide as much as I am able to do so.  

  

thanks & Peace, 

  

Fredi   

 

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 9:41 am PST

An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Quote From: judyblue22

It is interesting how we can reap rewards from activities that we do intending to benefit others.  I think it is part of that inscrutable plan we hear about.   

  

Last spring, I had a brain hemmorhage from a birth defect (I'm 46!) and almost died.  After that I thought about what would have happened if I had died and I decided to write a letter to everyone I love and express clearly what they mean to me.  I am still doing it-person by person.I intended those letters to be some solace for others when I die but what I found was that I have gained such peace and joy from that outward focus.  I agree...it is quite lovely : ) 

First of all I am so glad that you survived the hemmorhage........that keeps you here in this moment with not only your dearest family and friends, but each and every indivudual that encounters you.  That's a very Good thing, you have much to offer..........your Wisdom is appreciated. 

  

The path to ??? now this is totally random but I just am sitting here looking at my monitor and cannot come up with an adequate word to place there!   

  

Certainly there are numerous words that are filing through my thought process, words like enlightenment, spirituality, God, Jesus, but for some reason I want to say it this way............The path to the Self is such a beautiful journey when we allow ourselves to give.  Give and receive.........like I said to Turtle it feels so good that there are times that I feel rather selfish. 

  

But I'm still working on it (the giving),  so there are many times that I feel ashamed when my old behaviours creep out.........hey they are there and they have an attitude!  I guess I'm working on preserving that 'attitude' and harnessing it into passion.  I think that for me anyhow is that my attitude was in some ways misguided love of Self.  Loving ones Self without being selfish now to me that is key.   

  

What do you all think? 

  

By the way, I adore this forum! 

  

Fredi 

 

Message Emote
blank
March 4, 2006, 9:47 am PST

An Open Consideration of Reality and Religious Beliefs

Quote From: judyblue22

There are some people/nations/races that God does not love -false. 

  

The real cure and remedy for sin is found in more education -false. 

  

God love us all -Muslim, Christian or Hindu-human, dog or chicken. He doesn't pick and choose who among his creations to love. 

  

I think that the cure for sin is love because I think that the cause of sin is the lack of love. 

That is perfect Judy!   

  

Peace 

  

Fredi 

 

First | Prev | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next | Last