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Topic : 07/20 Love, Lies and the Law

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(Original Air Date: 03/06/06) You’ve heard it all before: “If I want it done right, I’ll have to do it myself.” Dr. Phil looks at control freaks, and how their behavior can destroy a marriage. Jim thinks his wife, Sinden, is the most controlling woman in America. They’ve recently separated because, he says, she picked out his clothes, told him what he could watch on TV and micromanaged his finances down to how much he could spend on a candy bar. But Sinden says there’s a darker side of Jim, a police officer of 20 years. She calls him a master manipulator who rules by intimidation. Find out why she says she fears for her life. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 6, 2006, 1:56 pm PST

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Dr. Phil, I agree with the no spanking, I taught my girls early in life, they grew up and are grown mothers themselves! The husband on the other hand could have been mine, this man is an abusive, controlling, manipulative, threatening person! I have been through the same, I was a very good mom while married, after divorced I became a horrible mother! My youngest daughter would call from visiting her father, (biological), the older child refused visitation, Court system set up counseling for the older daughter and her dad, HE refused to attend, I was called and the older child did not have to visit the father!  The youngest would call sobbing on the phone! I would drive to pick her up, of course as I pulled into the driveway, I was yelled to get the F*** of the property etc... little did my small brain at the time know that her own father was sexually molesting his daughters! She would have nightmares of him coming into my new home, where I, the day I left, put what could fit into my car, my children, and left! The courts would not support me in the fact that something was wrong during visitation! I did take my youngest daughter for counseling, I did not know until she was approx. 16 years old what her so called father had done to her and her sister! Of course Mom's blame themselves, but people of a stature of being a police officer, no one believes the children, as the children do not know who to trust! Mommy wasn't there! She must have known! Divorce, get the hell out of town to that family today! the man is going to hurt those children to spite his wife, those types of men play a game very calmly and well, if you replay the tape, you will notice that everything you told him to do, he repeated back to you, what you wanted to hear! I am very much worried about those children! My girls are now 32 and 25, neither one were in trouble and I recieve Father's Day cards as well as Mother's Day cards, the so-called father, is known by both of them as a sperm donor,  I have no argument with them, as prior to knowing all of what happened I use to support him, his emotions, thier crying he didn't care! I had told them he does love them, he just didn't show it well! WHAT A MISTAKE I MADE IN DOING JUST THAT!  Children for what ever reason, should always be paid attention to, those kids are parent pleasing, to which ever parent they are with! You, in my opinion should be very careful with this one! I have trusted your information many times but not on this one! AGAIN, MY GIRLS HAVE GROWN TO BECOME BEAUTIFUL GROWN EDUCATED YOUNG WOMEN, RAISED BY A DIVORCED & SINGLE MOM!  
 
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March 6, 2006, 1:56 pm PST

I totally agree with you

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 Knowing Dr. Phil's way of doing things, why was he so silent, and looking a little perplexed, when she said she had all the paperwork proving her husband was lieing? It's just not like the Dr. Phil staff to not have that paperwork available for him (Dr. Phil) unless this was a last minute accusation(s). A bit confusing to me. Dr. Phil had the Child Protective Service Report, where was the rest...her proofs?! I just can't imagine they both weren't interviewed extensively prior to showing up for the show. Why didn't this come out before the show that "proof" would be available?!

It's also very easy to take a person's profession and use it against them. Him being a trained hostage negotiater, along with being a Sheriff's Deputy is an easy target for an abuse of power accusation.

I went away from this show not really being able to assume who was lieing and who wasn't.

if she really has all the proof she claims to have, than why hasn't she gotten a lawyer.  I think that the woman was  lying most of the time. I think that she is making most of the things up since she was caught beating her son. She now wants to make her husband look bad and make him out as the bad guy and her as the victim. Don't get me wrong, i don't think that the husband is totally Innocent, but when Dr. Phil asked him if he had done this or that, he never denied. On the other hand, the wife always denied everything, which makes me believe that she did do all those things that her husband said she did. Just my two cents. 

 
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March 6, 2006, 2:00 pm PST

Controlling Law Enforcement Husbands

Dr. Phil, I can't believe that i'm saying this, but you were wrong today!  I was married to a police officer for 25 years and watching your show today brought back many, many painful memories.  You told the wife to keep going to higher authorities and that there are people that will act in her behalf. But I can tell you from experience that there will be hell to pay if she does that.  I could write for hours telling you of experiences with my ex-husband that would make your hair (ha!) stand on end, but I won't do that.  Law enforcement officers have a tighter "union" and an understood agreement to cover each others' backs and if you have not lived in it first hand from the inside, you would be shocked to know how it really is.  Everyone that I know who has been married to law enforcement officers has the same story.  This man's face and the way he talked and the way he answered you and talked to her was exactly what I have seen for years and years.  He knows how to control people.  He knows how to control situations.  And he also knows how to "handle the problem" and go undetected and free of consequences and he will probably have help in "getting even" with his group of law enforcement buddies.  There are good men and women serving their communities.   But every police officer that I have ever known has said that it is around 85% that are like the man on your show.  Many spouses aren't aware of the things going on, but I know very few that have not found out eventually.  I'm looking at his face on your show right now and the smirking and the glaring is typical.  She may have done a million things wrong, but she cannot stop him and his friends from any type of retribution that he wants to inflict on her.  And he will get away with it.  That man's eyes sent cold chills through me.  My ex was a Sunday School teacher and a leader in our church and a police officer.  Most people thought that combination was wonderful and that it spoke volume of his high ideals and his moral integrity.  Yet he had a side to him that only a few people ever saw and it was dark and controlling and manipulative and he was very good at disguising it and at keeping all of his bases covered.  Thank God that part of my life is over and I have an awesome Christian husband now who is a man of integrity and honesty.  God has definitely honored me for being a good wife to a disturbed husband and for keeping my eyes on Him.  I am happier than I ever dreamed I could be.  I tell my husband now that he is everything that I dreamed of as a little girl and everything that I prayed for as a woman.  God is good!!!  We do get second chances! 

  

 
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March 6, 2006, 2:03 pm PST

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 Hi Dr.  Phil,  I watch your show every chance I get.  I recently had surgery so I am off work for a few weeks and I make it a point to watch your show.  I truly enjoy  you.  You keep me mesmirized, but today it is very hard to watch a women who is such a liar.  You can see it is her eyes that she is a controling person.  I am a women and I am on Jim's side. Jim is not the liar, she is. 
Where we watching the same show?
 
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March 6, 2006, 2:05 pm PST

Dr. Phil you missed it on this one.

Dr. Phil,  I think you are the wisest man on the planet, but you completely missed it on this show. 

That man is dangerous, dangerous!!  I have written you a letter in the past about my friend and what she has experienced at the hands of her ex husband (attorney and former DA).  These men know the system and work it to take children away from mothers.  I can only imagine the stress this poor woman is under.  I don't agree with spanking, but it appears to me that she probably just lost it under all the stress of knowing her ex got his hands on a tape she was trying to protect herself with.   This whole situation is so familar to me.  I could see it on his face and I believe every single thing that she said about him.   I think she came to you for help and hopefully a way to save her children and you completely let her down.  She needs help!  The system is so screwed up and if you need more examples go to the non custodial mothers website link that you have posted on the Dr. Phil website.  There is an epedimic in this country of powerful men with money taking their children away from the mother.   These men don't give a rat's ass about their children although they will hide behind that idea.  They are all about controlling and destroying women with the only weapon they have to hurt them with and this is their children.  The woman on today's show knows what her ex is capable of and is scared to death because no one will believe her INCLUDING YOU!  If you want to help those children you should get them away from their crazy father ASAP!   

Please reconsider the response to this man.  I think you are so awesome and help so many people.  I wish you would consider speaking with my friend.  Her story is amazing and equally terrifying if not more so.    

 
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March 6, 2006, 2:05 pm PST

Can Dr. Phil be that blind??!!

Dr. Phil - could you not see the evil glare in Jim's eyes?  Did you not hear the double-speak?   It came across loud and clear that Sinden was justified in her fear of Jim.  She is clearly reacting to his threatening behavior - not instigating it.     

  

It's as if cops don't protect other cops.  Well, they both acted like "of Course not"  but you don't have to look far to see this kind of abuse of the system. 

  

I'm amazed that Dr. Phil gave Jim such a pass.    The manipulations - even of contacting Dr. Phil as a pretense -- that he cares for the marriage.  I think it's as Sinden says and my prayers go with her.    I think she has to fear for her life and for her kids' lives.   

 
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March 6, 2006, 2:07 pm PST

Love lie and the law

Dr. Phil, I usually agree with your statements but I have just finished watching this show and  was really disappointed in your assessment of this couple.  I have known quite a few police officers and most of them have been quite controlling.  I think that the couple is doing serious damage to their children but I also believe the woman feels the system has let her down and because of her husband's profession, it has.  He has all the power and she has none.  You say neither person is  bad but what will your position be when the husband finally does permamant harm to his wife or their children.   I feel you had the chance to tell him he really needed help and no matter what, there is no excuse for stalking and making a woman feel that her and her children are in danger.
 
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March 6, 2006, 2:08 pm PST

03/06 Love, Lies and the Law

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if she really has all the proof she claims to have, than why hasn't she gotten a lawyer.  I think that the woman was  lying most of the time. I think that she is making most of the things up since she was caught beating her son. She now wants to make her husband look bad and make him out as the bad guy and her as the victim. Don't get me wrong, i don't think that the husband is totally Innocent, but when Dr. Phil asked him if he had done this or that, he never denied. On the other hand, the wife always denied everything, which makes me believe that she did do all those things that her husband said she did. Just my two cents. 

 Have you ever been in a emotionally and physically abusive relationship?  If not, don't be so quick to judge. 
 
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March 6, 2006, 2:09 pm PST

being raised in a police family

I think something that wasn't touched on here is the children, not really. You talked about how he can change this, she can change that, well what about those kids? They are trapped in the middle yes, but they are in a prison too. You see when you are the child of a police officer you are drilled with the facts, the facts are things like - you have no place to run, you can tell no one the truth, you can NEVER escape. I can only imagine how frustrating it would be for the wife of a law officer, knowing there is no one you can really talk to, because even when going outside of his precinct it will always get back to his precinct, and he will find out, it might give you a free day feeling like maybe something positive can happen, but in the long run it will still get back to him and make things so much more difficult for you. 

  

I knew before I heard it on the show that she had lost the kids, why? because of what i said up there, who will you believe a mother who is upset and trying so hard to fight for the safety of her kids, or the man in the uniform? No matter that he is the one she is fighting against!  

  

And those kids, trapped in his prison, knowing every whisper that is too loud will also get back to the uniform eventually.  

  

Being a child of a police officer made me totally afraid of authority, not only the police, but anyone that is in any authoritative position, and the one thing that was pushed into me when i did try to report the dysfunction was guilt guilt guilt, she totally tried to make me feel like everything i was doing was only hurting her, who cared if it hurt the kids. 

 
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March 6, 2006, 2:09 pm PST

All Lies

I watched the show today and was a little put off.  I am from an abusive marriage and can generally see people for what they are.  My opinion is that she was the one who was doing most of the lying.  She kept saying she had all this proof but from what I gather Dr. Phil did not have this so called "proof".  Yes he may be a police officer and a trained hostage negotiator but there is one thing that bothers me the most.....if she was so afraid of him and she had all this proof, police officer or not there are ways to have him dealt with.  There are other law enforcement agencies and there are lawyers etc.....I f she was so afraid of him why did she go to lunch with him and shopping?   To me she was the liar and manipulator in this.  He maybe no angel either but she was the one abusing him, their children and his career.  Glad to know that Dr. Phil is there to sort all the bull out
 
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