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Topic : 07/20 Love, Lies and the Law

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Created on : Friday, March 03, 2006, 12:40:45 pm
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(Original Air Date: 03/06/06) You’ve heard it all before: “If I want it done right, I’ll have to do it myself.” Dr. Phil looks at control freaks, and how their behavior can destroy a marriage. Jim thinks his wife, Sinden, is the most controlling woman in America. They’ve recently separated because, he says, she picked out his clothes, told him what he could watch on TV and micromanaged his finances down to how much he could spend on a candy bar. But Sinden says there’s a darker side of Jim, a police officer of 20 years. She calls him a master manipulator who rules by intimidation. Find out why she says she fears for her life. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 6, 2006, 4:41 pm PST

This needs to end

These people need to stop this and move on from each other. As a family they need counseling for the children they are the ones who will suffer from this.I went through this for way to many years before I finally got out of it .But I see what it has done to my kids and wish I had been strong enough to get out a lot sooner. I couldn't lock the bathroom door,throw anything away (the trash was searched when I went to work) I wasn't allowed on the computer,read a book or be in another room from where he was. My children are in their twenties now and neither one can settle into a relationship and both despise their Father.  

 
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March 6, 2006, 4:42 pm PST

I am really upset

How on earth could you say that the police departments take complaints from officers wives seriously?  Have you not listened to the news. Try reading the Seattle Times or PI.  I think you should hear about another woman who was in exactly the same boat as today's lady (3/6/06).  Chrystal Brame tried for a very long time to get a restraining order enforced against her husband.  She knew he would end up killing her, and he did.  Right in front of his children.  Then he killed himself.  It was all over the papers.  How could you have missed it? 

Also, how could you believe the reports from DSHS workers.  I have personal knowledge of how they "investigate" cases.  If anyone complains, they just go along with it and take the kids out of the home.  I saw it myself.  I think you need a lot more information about this couple before blaming her for acting as any other battered wife does.  They never just leave the man.  I know, I was one of them.  Sure, she didn't come off clearly.  I know how that works.  It is very hard to put into words just what you have been through.  It is also very hard to explain what you are thinking when you have not been allowed to think for yourself.

 

 

 
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March 6, 2006, 4:44 pm PST

Investigate more

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You can see it in his eyes and voice...........she has been made to look bad......I have been in her place.......the authorities cover each others butts........they will cover for him.......just like Dr.s do.  I feel for her........he is sitting there saying I am wrong and he thinks it's awesome that it came out on TV..........Dr Phil you fell for it just like he wanted you to. Help Her!!!!!!!!!! 

  

  

I love you, Dr. Phil and watch you every day and was even in the audience a few years ago.  Usually, I think you are "right on" with your advice, but on todays show, you blew it!!!!!!!!!  Everyone could tell that Jim was smug and knew just what to say and what he could get away with saying.  On the other hand, Sinden was scared and I believe she is married to the Jim no one knows.  Even you, Dr. Phil could not see the "real Jim".  Please help Sinden before it is too late.  I am a fan of shows like 48 hours and can just see this as their lead story some day in trying to figure out what happened to cause Jim to do away with her.  Help her get those children back.  I know that Sinden must have some "issues", but they are nothing compared to Jim's.  He knew the right buttons to push to have the kids removed from her and thinks he is so smart and will win.  This isn't about either of them winning, but is about how those children will grow up and I think should be how Sinden can get them back.
 
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March 6, 2006, 4:44 pm PST

03/06 Love, Lies and the Law

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I ccould tell you too-as I am there and going through it....
Read my earlier post-i have am, and ARE going through the evilness in PA with a trooper!
 
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March 6, 2006, 4:44 pm PST

03/06 Love, Lies and the Law

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This man isn't hiding. He is the one that wrote. SHE on the other hand. I think if full of crocidile tears. I think she is mean to her kids and agressive towards them. I think this man should take the kids and devorce her. Leave her to be some other mans worries. This woman would have trouble and be blaming any man even if he was a ditch digger. She would be saying SEE they are covering up and the ditch diggers of america are protecting him.

Wow.  That's some take on the case.  Have you ever been abused?  Have you ever been threatened?  What's your problem? 

 
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March 6, 2006, 4:45 pm PST

Thank you.

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I am probably one of your biggest and most faithful fans.  I first followed you on Oprah and then on your own show.  I am an Educational Psychologist and a Licensed Mental Health Counselor who works with adolescents.  More importantly I was a victim of an abusive, controlling and manipulative man.  Despite all my years of education and training, I did not realize or recognize what was happening until much of the damage was done.  I only knew about physical abuse.  If a man were to put a hand on me, that's was so clear cut.  Nothing in my education, training or life experience prepared me for the type of manipulative I encountered in my home and in the counselor's office. 

  

I consider myself highly intelligent (graduated from 4 colleges with high honors, my advanced graduate degree with a 3.98 GPA).  Until I married this man I was always highly respected and admired in both my personal and professional life.  After marrying this man and being completely confused by his contradictory words and behaviors, his contradictory public versus private behaviors and finally being informed by the police that what he was doing was emotional and psychological abuse, he had already done significant damage to the marriage, to me and to my reputation.  This information was later backed up by the police who informed me he had a record and history of abuse as well as conversations with his children and ex-wife and court documents I obtained.   

  

You see he had also ruined his first wife's reputation and turned the tables on her.  I was told his first marriage ended because she had an affair.  She was made out to be the town slut by him and people believed him.  His own children told me of his abuse to them and what they witnessed him doing to their mother.  They had been intimadated by their father and warned not to share information with me.  Until me, he had never had anyone stand up to him.  Everyone was afraid of him and afraid to confront him.  His prior history of abuse was a well kept secret. 

  

In the past I have watched couples on your show where it appeared that abuse was going on and I have been frustrated that you appeared not to recognize it.  On another ocassion when the abuse was out in the open, I was frustrated with how you handled it.  During both these ocassions and today I kept shaking my head and saying to myself, "I love you Dr. Phil but you don't get it".  You are not alone.  Most counselors and therapists out there do not.  This is my case in point.  Even the most reputable counselors out there are furthering and revictimizing abuse victims because they don't get it either.  Some think if they take a workshop or a class (if there are any available) they understand emotional, psychological abuse.  Most are dead wrong.   

  

The first counselor we went to was one I had nothing but the highest regard for.  He knew me prior to this relationship and we had a mutual respect and admiration for each other.  After meeting my then husband, he was absolutely taken in by him.  At one point he asked me to leave counseling so he could work with this "sweet and dear man".  I was devastated.  Of course I had no idea what this "sweet, dear man" was saying to the counselor when I was not present, but I did know how much this "sweet, dear man" lied, distorted, rewrote and completely fabricated experiences while I was present.  It wasn't until later when I showed him the documentation that he apologized and wrote a letter in my behalf.  This sweet man used the counselors, he even alleged he had them document things against me.  The stories of manipulation would blow your mind.  For example, once when we were arguing he was playing with what looked like a tape recorder in his pocket (he had previously told me that he had tape recorded our conversations).  When I asked what it was, he hid it.  When I reached over to try to grab it, he jumped up from the couch and started walking around the room saying things, like "don't do that to me, "stop that", "stop", "don't come near me", "stop it, stop it stop it" "stop! on and on.  He completely staged a scene that if you didn't know that I was sitting on the couch the whole time you would be convinced I was beating him.  Who would they believe?  What evidence did I have that he staged it and I never touched him? 

  

We went to one counselor who refused to believe me and would not provide me with confidentiality to share the information with him.  I was separated from him but still in fear of what the retribution would be if he were to find out I had exposed him.   When the woman on your show said that she would pay for what she said on that show, let me assure you -- she will.  She won't have black and blues (that would blow their cover), he will however find more ways to manipulate the situation and set her up.  This counselor told me that until he met me, based on what he said he thought I was some kind of psychotic.  He also admitted that my credibility had never been an issue and he had a "tendency to distort things" but he still believed him not me.  He was in a position to help us but instead he furthered the abuse and I had to get out to save myself. 

  

Just as the couple today, it became a he said, she said.  I would sit there in complete frustration and say, "that's not true", "that didn't happen" and we both looked crazy.  I didn't want to be right, I just wanted to work with the truth.  I had no problem owning up to my faults.  His tactic was to turn the focus of me and they didn't know who to believe.  Though not a police officer, he worked with the police.  His former wife could tell you plenty of stories about how they protected him.  Fortunately for me we did not live in the same time that he worked and the police were the ones to tell me of his abusive history- they were the ones who convinced me he was abusive.   

  

An abusive man will do almost anything to cover his tracks and divert attention away from his abuse.  His main tactic is to turn the tables and accuse you of whatever you accuse him.  The manipulation is incredible, these are not stupid men (though you may initially think so).  The manipulation is unbelievable and space does not permit me to detail some of the unbelievable things that do to set you up so that you look like the crazy one.  End result, they come across as the consummate Mr. Nice Guy and you as the unstable one.  I know this first hand.  Frequently counselors without the sufficient training are taken in by them and even join in with him to further victimize the other. 

  

I can't say for sure if this is the case with this couple but listening to him gave me the chills.  I recognized the tactics of trying to make her seem unfit.  Now if she did cause bruising on her child than she was wrong and may need help for her anger.  Based on the fact that they agreed that hitting their children was acceptable and based on the fact that he turned her in -- it smells like manipulation to me.  When she said I just want him to stop that's how I felt.  Please stop the manipulation and the games. 

  

The problem is that if you talk to the children, they will be so afraid of their father they will likely they will not expose him.  Additionally, they are master manipulators who use many tactics to confuse others into doubting themselves.  Abusers are exceptionally good at lieing because they believe their own lies.

 

 

You validated everything I wanted to scream through the TV at Dr. Phil. I was so upset watching the show. 

 
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March 6, 2006, 4:47 pm PST

rediculous

I sat and watched that man shoot daggers across the stage at his wife. I'm sure she's telling the truth about him abusing his position to keep her under his thumb. However neither one of them really gives a d@#n about those kids, other wise they'd do what's best for them in the situation, not sit there poking eachother with sticks trying to prove whose right. Sure they love thier kids, but they need to take the high road and do what's in thier kids best interest.
 
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March 6, 2006, 4:48 pm PST

I agree

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She is full of it. She is playing a game. She has worked out a way to make this guy look like a bad guy. Nothing she does is held against her. She then uses the fact that he is being even calm to try to make him look bad. She is crying crocidile tears. She proves it by she wants material things if "he" will get help. The one person in this marriage that needs help is HER! I am tried of watching alot of women these days twisting the real truth and making MEN look bad. If this guy was smart he would devorce her and leave with the kids. I am sure he has enough information on her that he can get custody of the children. Run leave for another man to have to put up with. 

 

  

     She is a hypocritt. She's the manipulative one. Her biggest mistake was, marrying a man, who is smart enough to not put up with it.
 
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March 6, 2006, 4:50 pm PST

Crystal Brame...God rest her sole

Check out the story out of Tacoma, Wa.  David Brame (cop) murdered his wife following the same  circumstances as this women...... Cinnamon......GET OUT.....God is doing more than whispering to you. Let your guilt go and GET OUT!  There are sooooooo many red flags.  Cops have a special club they will protect each other over their own families. 

 
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March 6, 2006, 4:51 pm PST

I was married to a Cop too

I taught I had my ex-husband in front of me when this man appeared on TV.  Dr. Phil I'm sure, just from the looks he had and his body language that this man is a liar and a big time manipulator.  I can recognize all the facial expressions of a controlling cop.  I don't believe in hitting a child though.  This woman has her faults too but that does not change the fact that very often policeman are abusive, they think they can control their wives and children.  It could be the training they receive... I don't know but I am sure that their is a patern.  They don't ever let go.  I left my husband more than 15 years ago and he still manipulates my children and takes me to court for suits that he keeps loosing because they are not founded.   
 
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