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Topic : 08/01 Extreme Highs and Lows

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Created on : Friday, March 03, 2006, 12:43:32 pm
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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 7, 2006, 5:40 pm PST

My sister and Bi-Polar

I had a sister diagnosed with Bi-polar.  She had always been very difficult to get along with.  She was mean and rude one moment and the absolute sweetest sister the next moment.  We never knew what would set her off, it was always like walking on eggshells when I was around her.  She finally committed suicide almost 4 years ago.  She had made several prior attempts,  and after taking all her meds for her Bi-Polar disorder she died.  She left a suicide note blaming me for her death as we were not speaking at the time of her death.  She blamed me most of our lives for a lot of her problems.  I have to admit I fell for it for a long time and then I finally realized it was the sickness and really not my sis that was trying to make me feel so bad.  I have to admit the thought of her suicde and her blaming me was a very difficult thing to get over.  Her daughter is still not speaking to me.  Somedays I'm not sure I am over her death and it is still painful to think about.  Watching the show today brought everything back once again.  I so hope Dr Phil can help the people on his show today.  My prayers are with them and their families.............Warm Regards, Katherine
 
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March 7, 2006, 5:43 pm PST

BiPolar

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Do ya really think people who went to med school, added  psychiatric residencies and built practices are easily fooled?  Bipolars are messed up and make poor decisions.  Sometimes we marry the wrong men, and sometimes we choose the wrong friends.

Actually, seeing only one doctor, and telling him that you read up on BiPolar and that you know you have it, and having that doctor pretty much just give you meds and label you....makes me wonder a heck of a lot more than I've already. 

  

She has not chosen wrong in her friendships, I care about her, which is why I wrote this message. 

  

Be good to yourself, love yourself and stand up for yourself - these are things we should live by, and she has lost her way.  This is not BiPolar. 

 
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March 7, 2006, 5:47 pm PST

Help

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i agree that it does cost too much to treat this affliction. i was diagnosed when i was about 14. i have now been off my meds fore over four years. i have not been able to find anyont to help me get my meds. i am now to the point that i can not deal with anyone but my wife and son, and even then not for very long. honestly, it feels like there is noone to turn to. very few people seem to understand what it is like and those that do are going through it themselves. not to mention the FACT that more often than not, this illness is misdiagnost and treated with meds that only make the problems worse. i came to this web site because Dr Phil said that he had info that would be helpful. i have seen nothing but the words from others. i was expecting info on where one could turn.

Dear One... 

 Have you gone to the local mental health officials in your area? Most have programs of patient drug assistance IF YOU ASK....best to drop your anger when speaking to them. I found out the hard way through the maze. I went to Emergency Room and did a voluntary committment into state mental hospital. (Suicidal) then I took a three week vacation to get balanced compliments of our state psych ward. From there I was assigned a mental health care plan and psychatrist in my area. YOU have to follow the plan. Ask questions. Be upfront with your needs and financial situation. They will HELP you. Move to Alleghany County in North Carolina, Sparta and you can get help here if you cant find it there. Your mental health is imperative. I hope you make good choices and stop being a victim of helplessness. Bless you. A Bi Polar Bear 

 
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March 7, 2006, 5:47 pm PST

Hope this helps!

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i agree that it does cost too much to treat this affliction. i was diagnosed when i was about 14. i have now been off my meds fore over four years. i have not been able to find anyont to help me get my meds. i am now to the point that i can not deal with anyone but my wife and son, and even then not for very long. honestly, it feels like there is noone to turn to. very few people seem to understand what it is like and those that do are going through it themselves. not to mention the FACT that more often than not, this illness is misdiagnost and treated with meds that only make the problems worse. i came to this web site because Dr Phil said that he had info that would be helpful. i have seen nothing but the words from others. i was expecting info on where one could turn.
I don't know if this will help but here is a web site of a government funded program that has helped me alot!!!! It is in St.petersburg, FL , it may not be in your area but in can be a start, best of luck to you, www.sccmh.org, it stands for Suncoast Center for Mental Health.   Christine
 
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March 7, 2006, 5:49 pm PST

excuses, excuses

It is very clear to me that Cathy is nothing more than a miserable, lazy, and hateful mother.  She is just using the bipolar as an excuse to act this way.  Now that she has justification from the Dr. Phil show, she is really going to use it even more to her advantage and she will get much worse.  If she wanted to, she would be seeking treatment until she found something that works.  Again, If she wanted to.  But then she wouldn't be able to use it as an excuse.  I can see right through her.  I wonder if she really has borderline personality disorder instead of bipolar disorder?  And who, when and where did she get this diagnosis?  Did anyone from the show check into this?  She just feels sorry for herself and this is the justification for it.  I am worried for those kids.  If she cared about them, she would get help.  But she obviously doesn't because she is too self centered.  BIPOLAR MY ---!!!!
 
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March 7, 2006, 5:49 pm PST

No supplements

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You should not be prescribing for this disorder since you know nothing about it. My son's psychiatrist said that there are many over the counter drugs such as these that can do more harm than good. Please retract your message. Melatonin is not for manics. Ginko is like poison to a manic!
I agree with the previous person. Please take your message off the board or retract it. Many of us are desperate for a "cure" and will try just about anything. Your advice is definitely potentially harmful.
 
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March 7, 2006, 5:52 pm PST

Same with you....

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You should not be prescribing for this disorder since you know nothing about it. My son's psychiatrist said that there are many over the counter drugs such as these that can do more harm than good. Please retract your message. Melatonin is not for manics. Ginko is like poison to a manic!

Nutrition and exercise are two components that can help. You saying you know that Ginko isn't good is just as bad as someone saying 'take this'.  

  

Many many doctors simply open a drawer and say 'try this' with little or no knowledge of the person's real mental or physical makeup. So they are doing far worse than someone saying ....'try this'. Gingko will not put someone into violent behavior like many drugs can since it's a slow acting herb.  

  

Before anyone gets on medication, they should do a LOT of research and then get a nutritionist involved as well. Most doctors pay no attention to what the patient eats, or their chemical makeup to determine if what they are prescribing is the accurate prescription.  

  

Most people also don't know how heavy-handed / influential the pharmaceticual industry is with doctors. So what one might recommend may have more to do with that 'trip they are getting' than whether it's the right medication.  

  

The public needs to get a clue - the medical industry is about $ first, patient second and patients have to do their own homework and realize what they eat / drink has a lot to do with how they feel.  

 
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March 7, 2006, 5:54 pm PST

I agree

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Well said! Bi Polar Bear WOMAN

There was something in her mannerisms that didn't seem to really equate to bi-polar, but rather self-centered, vicious behavior. She also seemed very, very depressed.  

  

My mother acted just like her and has apologized but in reality I know she is only sorry for herself, not what she really did to me. I think both have mental problems, but I think they also have both figured out how to 'get away' with bad behavior.  

 
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March 7, 2006, 5:54 pm PST

BRAVO!

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I was disappointed with Dr. Phil's episode today.  I have been on meds, psychotherapy, hospitalizations, ECT for more than 12 years.  I am living a good life with a professional job, university degree, I own my house and other assets, I am raising two children all by myself.  I have never ever called my children names or hit them.  My greatest fear is that they will feel the pain I felt that my parents inflicted on me.  I have never felt violent to anyone except myself.  I have been very hard on myself, especially now (I am in a mixed mood episode). I do think Cathy is disturbed but I don't believe that Cathy has bipolar disorder, I think she is using it as an excuse for her very poor behavior.  From my experience, I don't go "psycho" in 15 seconds and even if I am hypomanic or angry I can hear what I am saying and I can prevent myself from abusing people.  I think if a manic episode becomes that severe you should be in the hospital not abusing your children repeatedly.  Everyone needs to be responsible for their behavior no matter what.  If she was bipolar and went through any of the pain I have gone through she would treasure those children and protect them.  And part of taking care of your children is taking care of yourself. 
I agree with you totally ....BRAVO! Hats of to you! I was disapointed aswell.  There is wasy more to the story than was told....
 
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March 7, 2006, 6:02 pm PST

NOT OUT OF THE WOODS

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I want to thank Dr. Phil for this subject but this is not a black and white issue.  Not everyone with bi-polar runs into a Starbucks or chokes their children.  I have a very personal interest in this subject because my biological father was diagnosed with bi-polar.  I'm not sure of the type he has but when I met him (for the first time) in an institution at age 18 I would say he was pretty bad.  I also know that his sister (my aunt) committed suicide in her 30's, so I have been acutely aware of my genetics. 

I started noticing problems myself when my son was about 2 (I was 27).  And by problems I mean depression, I was a stay at home mom and I enjoyed it but it just got harder and harder for me.  I ignored my emotions for awhile but I felt myself reaching a line I didn't want to cross.....I didn't want to lose control and I KNEW I needed to talk to someone.  That was my first trip to a psychiatrist for depression.  I was embarrassed and ashamed....my mother does NOT believe in this stuff and I felt so alone.  My husband can be supportive but he can also be very cruel when he's angry.....I took meds for a while then I stopped. 

I'm 33 now and have been on meds for about a year, I've reached a point where I don't care what anyone thinks of me as long as I know what I'm doing.  I've had an ambulance ride to the ER for a panic attack so bad I thought I was dying, I've been in mental health for cutting my wrists because I've felt so helpless/hopeless.  But NOT once have I ever not been aware of what is right or wrong.....I think its just so hard to get help because of the embarrassment/shame.  I still struggle and I may always have to deal with that but atleast I know what I'm up against and  I am fighting it.   

  

I have to say that I am frustrated with some of the comments because atleast this woman is aware and speaking out for help.  So many children are abused, hurt...even killed by people who have no conscience and could care less about help. 

  

Best wishes, 

Cheri 

I am very concerned for you. I honor you for your fight. As Dr. Phil says you ARE IN THE GAME. If that husband of yours is abusive, he is not helping with his anger. He needs to take the anger elsewhere. That is the last thing you need while recovering. As you walk your journey through the more you can take ownership of your life and strangely enough feel "in charge" of yourself the more I feel your panic attacks will subside. Your husband if he loves you...will be supportive of your efforts to find a balance. If he is merely embarrassed and angry about your condition then he is NOT helping but hindering your recovery. I would drop him like a hot potato. . I did not see the show but have read enough of the message boards to know that Dr. Phil did not even scratch the surface of Bi Polar and what it entails. HE NEEDS TO DO A SHOW ON THOSE WHO HAVE ACHIEVED a semblance of balance like Patty Duke Astin for instance. There is a stigma attached to mental illness especially manic depressiveness. All humans have some behavior  in the realm of highs and lows. It is in our nature. It is when they become extreme. I dont think taking a vacation alone is inappropriate either when you are married and need a break. ( comment to another persons quote). I will be praying for you to find your true self, inner peace and outer support. Be brave...listen to your heart. Your body and mind know what you need. El
 
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