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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 7, 2006, 9:18 pm PST

Round table

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I feel about like you do.  I wasn't diagnosed till after I had given birth to both of my children and my depression had got severe.  I work,  go to school part-time for now and I am a good mother/wife.  I take my meds and I can honestly say I can't relate with the people on todays show.  Even some of the chat-rooms I go to I really feel like I don't belong there because I am not as severe as they are. I feel like I might be able to offer them some help of some kind but to actually relate 

I really wish there would of been different levels of people suffering from BP.  Sometimes people just get stuck in the drama or the worse case.  Maybe he should of done a 2 hour round table show and started at the bottom (depression) and worked their way to the top (worse case of BP) 

It just always seems that I don't know where I fit in at.  At first I have Severe Depression,with Bipolar, just a touch of OCD, of course this all blends together and gives me the Personality Disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Good idea about the round table. 

  

Don't worry about fitting into someone else's schema--you're you. 

  

Cheers  

Susan 

 
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March 7, 2006, 9:19 pm PST

There is hope!

   I enjoyed the show today; however, while I was pleased to see the topic of BiPolar illness discussed, I was a bit dismayed at the fact that the program seemed to focus on somewhat extreme examples (which are certainly valid and real), but did not touch on the fact that there is help available (possibly to give some specific ideas and/or resources), and that there are those of us who have been able to experience mental stability despite truly having this illness. 

   Like many, I too have "been to hell and back" with this illness and have experienced a lot of pain while struggling to understand myself and my illness.  I can relate very well to some of the messages posted with regard to feeling like a guinea pig with the trial and error of NUMEROUS medications, their effects, AND side effects.  I too have been under the treatment of many psychiatrists and therapists over the years, and have experienced time spent in various mental health/psych. hospitals.  No, it has not been, and is not an easy road.  I too was misdiagnosed for many years.  The pain, stress, and agony at times has been almost unbearable for me.  (And friends and family-no question about it) 

  For me, ACCURATE information about my illness that I've acquired over the years has provided me with great strength and courage to continue day to day to better understand the illness and how it affects me as an individual, as well as the impact it has on my life as a whole...I have an excellent psychiatrist, therapist, and FINALLY the right combination of medications I take on a daily basis to balance my chemical imbalance.  Additionally, over the years through excellent therapy and my own perserverence, I have learned to truly love myself.  For me, it has been a sum total of all the parts I've just mentioned that has helped me to get to where I am today. 

   I really want to extend my heartfelt empathy to all who are affected by this illness; that is, the person with the illness, as well as family and friends, etc. who are closely connected to those of us who are BiPolar.  I know first hand that there is nothing easy or fun about being BiPolar.  The road CAN be long and discouraging, I know.   But, please hang on to hope, and try to remember what I've learned "I am not responsible for my illness, but I certainly can be responsible for the way I choose to handle it, by doing everything in my power to seek the help I need." 

   I personally feel that the stigma that can be attached to those of us who have mental illnes is unwarranted.  However, if we continue to learn about ourselves and try to educate others in the process, maybe we can effect a positive change among the views of society as a whole... 

   I can only pray that my experiences might help someone else who is walking in the same shoes I'm wearing... 

   Thanks to all who have read my entry.  If I can be of any help, please let me know!   

 
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March 7, 2006, 9:25 pm PST

Thank you for opening up to help others

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I feel about like you do.  I wasn't diagnosed till after I had given birth to both of my children and my depression had got severe.  I work,  go to school part-time for now and I am a good mother/wife.  I take my meds and I can honestly say I can't relate with the people on todays show.  Even some of the chat-rooms I go to I really feel like I don't belong there because I am not as severe as they are. I feel like I might be able to offer them some help of some kind but to actually relate 

I really wish there would of been different levels of people suffering from BP.  Sometimes people just get stuck in the drama or the worse case.  Maybe he should of done a 2 hour round table show and started at the bottom (depression) and worked their way to the top (worse case of BP) 

It just always seems that I don't know where I fit in at.  At first I have Severe Depression,with Bipolar, just a touch of OCD, of course this all blends together and gives me the Personality Disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Remember that bi-polar takes from 8-10 years to diagnose.  You are absolutely right that the forum should have given some time to those that have successfully conquered their problem.  There are so many kinds of depression, and I believe that there are some that get labeled as OCD, bi-polar, manic/depressive, etc, and yet they may fall into a different area of the brain, and the doctors today just don't know what they are, so identify them into the above catergories.   Take Alzheimers, the docs today label so many with this and it is total bullshit. So, pardon my language, but the first and foremost thing you must do, is take control of your own life, DO NOT put yourself into a category , find out about  what is wrong with you.  NO ONE knows you like you know yourself.  Do Not accept someone telling you what is wrong with you.  Educate yourself, learn about your problems, and believe me, once you do this, you will be able to help yourself more than Dr. Phil, Opra, or anyone else.  Remember, you and you alone, know you.  Don't abandon you.  Get in touch with you, but go and look up things you need to know.  Don't own a computer,, go to the library, don't understand the medical terminology.. look it up.  You and only you can help yourself.  From a Mom with a son who won't help himself, so maybe I can help someone else. 
 
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March 7, 2006, 9:30 pm PST

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Hi I am a mother of 5 children in a blended family and well we have a lot in our house hold. One of my 8yr old son's (Step-son, but mine) is diagnoised with ADHD, I am a diagnoised ADHD and pre-menapausal, my 4yr old has a PDD-NOS diagnosis, but they are re-evaluating that and there is the possibility of replacing it with regulatory disorder, OCD and some other things, and then I have my dear 5 yr  old who really is the one concerning about bipolar.  

  

Any who, off topic. MY 5 yr old son's paternal side of the family has a history of bipolar. Well about a year and a half ago his behavior started to change. He was showing moodiness and outbursts. I was pushing these changes in behavior off on the preschool he was attending and the fact that not to long before that his stepfather and I got married and his biological father disappeared and we moved. There were just a lot of changes in his life at the time, but over the past year and a half he has be come more and more violent and obsesed with violent shows and acts, like ripping the body parts off his GI JOE guy and laughing about it. It's not a normal laugh either like hey this is crazy, but a laugh that sent chills down my spine. He also was hitting me and the younger 2 kids, which he still does. He urinates every where,except the toilet and sneaks any thing he can esp. food. If you walk into the room he will imediately hide it in the couch cousions uner the couch behind the entertainment center any where he can get it to fit.  He is 5 and tells me that everyone hates him and that he even hates himself, using third person to talk. I mentioned all of this to his pedeatriation and she recommended a wonderful therapist, but he has not given any insite as to what he thinks is going on. In the first meeting with him we (my husband and I) told him what was going on with our son and he took an extensive medical and life history. At that point he mentioned Bipolar, but now nothing. I am sooooo afraid that one day my sweet boy is going to truly hurt some one badly. It's to the point that you can not leave him in a room alone with the litte ones, due to the fact that if he has a mood snap one of them will be hurt by him. Now with 5 kids it is hard to be right by his side all the time. I can tell him not to go into a room until a little later to try and seperate the kids, but when my back is turned off he goes. I guess this is one of the reasons that I should be glad that we have a small house. I can usually hear what is going on a couple of rooms away, but like I said usually, not always. I am at my end I lost it the other night with him I blew up I could not take it any more. I yelled so loud and so hard that my voice was gone the next day. He had shoved my 4 yr old into the book shelf and left a huge scratch on his back. It was the last straw. I felt so bad afterword. I sat down with him and we talked, but I know it's not right of me and unfair to him. Esp. if he does have bipolar and is not medicated, he can't control him self. Now I know it is not an excuse or get out of jail free card, but it is a reason and I think at this point with out meds it does warent some compassion. Besides in the heat of the moment he won't grasp a word I am saying any way.  

I fear what the next few years will bring if this does not get under control soon. He can almost out power the 2 oldest kids when he is in the heat of rage and well it's not going to be much longer before he can out power me in those moments. 

  

I Love my son and just want what is best for him and to help him in the best possible manner ya know. He has his great moments and I try to remember them in his fits of rage, but it is hard. I am a Mom on a Missin trying to get to the answers and help he needs. I would love for Dr. Phil to do a show on bipolar children. I don't think people realize that it can happen at such a young age and that it is soooo difficult on not only child, but the parents and siblings too. I cry every day at least twice a day in exhaustion, heartbreak and lonliness. It is very trying on a parent emotions, mental power and physically to deal with all that this disorder comes with. The good moments come and go along with the bad and sometimes it is so very hard to enjoy the good ones b/c you are holding your breath and hopping that this one will last forever, but you just know better than that. I keep strong by going to church and through prayer. I know God sent me this special little boy for a reason and well by golly I won't give up on him now. 

 
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March 7, 2006, 9:31 pm PST

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I only saw part of today's show and read a bit on this site..It really bothers me when I see shows about this..I was diagnosed as bipolar II after a breakdown in 1996.  I lived in an abusive marriage but had always suffered with depression that I took medication for.  Depression runs in my family but nobody has manic depression.  I was told that trauma could have been the reason I switched from just depression to bipolar.  I have been on so many meds I can't even count.  I was told by several Drs. that each person with this disorder differs from one person to the next.  I have never been violent  or had any psychotic episodes.. No voices No dillusions..From my understanding through my Dr.  someone with bipolar II mainly suffers from deep depression with maybe one or a few manic episodes as far as the so called "highs"..The only time I recall being on the "high" side was when I was up with no sleep for about 5 days and was extremely hyper .  As soon as that ended I went into a black hole so deep I thought I would never see the light.. For 2yrs I was having med changes and visits to the hospital..of course I would go off my meds which is the norm for most of us.  I have racing thoughts..hard to describe exactly wish I could describe it..supposedly that is considered manic.  I am now on 2 meds  Lamictal and Seroquel and have been stable for at least 6 yrs..I no longer go off of my meds.  .. And yes Seroquel is an antipsychotic..that is what I take for the racing thoughts to keep them under control so I can think straight .  I am now divorced and have been for almost 7yrs..As far as my family suffering from my illness ..it was difficult for all of them knowing there wasn't anything they could say or do to bring me out of the darkness and the worst time for them was my attempted suicide..I was a stay at home mom and for the first 6mths after my diagnoses my sister moved in with my ex and I and took care of me and my kids..I was such a zombie from all the meds that I took back then.  I couldn't relate to the show today because of the rages and dillusions and when there are shows about bipolar disorder whether it be bipolar I or bipolar II I think people need to know that we are not all alike ..that we can function normal again when the right meds for each individual is found.  I don't hide the fact about my disorder ..I hate the fact that I have it but  feel no shame from it anymore.  I work full time and have a "normal" life ..lol.. meaning that anyone that met me and got to know me not knowing that I have this mental illness would never know unless I told them..I can't relate to everyone with this awful illness but I do want people to know that it may take time but life can be good again with the right meds .  I do need to say that even though I am doing well ..there are certain life circumstances that still cause some depression but nothing like what I used to have..now it only lasts a few days and I can function because the depression isn't that black hole anymore.  There is hope!

  

   I totally get what you are saying about your bipolar, i really only have suffered with the depression, i only had one manic state.  I went in for surgery and the medicine that they put me to sleep with i think that is what messed up my levels and i went into manic,  i was manic for about 4 months, spent around 10,000 and i really didn't think there was nothing wrong with me, i felt the best i had ever felt, of course the money i spent and me being so confident and maybe a little to confident caused my husband to seek help for me,  i really have been told this since i was 24 but the doctor didn't explain it to me and i just thought i could just take the medicine until i started feeling better.  Well, i am anolther success story, (for 8 years) I am taking lithum and i was on Zoloft,  Anyway i didn't have any  relapes or depression for the 8 years, i worked full time too.  You are right about the trama though, long story short, we ended up losing our beautiful home and had to file chapter 7. I have been in a depression now for 9 months. No one would of ever known about my bipolar either and i was expressing my illness with my friends  because i feel iike this is my thorn in my side, that i will have to live with and i have accepted the illness. I guess now it is so good to hear other women that have made it to a point where they feel normal.  I knew this disorder could come back into my life but i really thought i was in control of bipolar. I hope and pray for you that you will always stay in recovery.  I know that i can beat this I just have to get the right help.  The medicines you are on, could you tell me a little more about them?  I have only taken lithum and it seemed to work i think i just need a difffernt anitdepressent.  

 

Thanks and God Bless 

Donna 

 
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March 7, 2006, 9:35 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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I have suffered with anxity for as long as I can remember..I knew I had a mental problem at a young age but did not seek help till I found my grandma/mom/bestfriend dead...I have since been diognosed with bipolar 2 and a few other things..I taped the show and have not watched it yet but am upset by what I saw when it said 0 to physco in 5 seconds..that is what make people judge peole like me...this is not a illlness I wish upon anyone..life is a struggle every day..I am pretty much in control but now that I am pregnat I am off most meds and my lithium levl is very low and I want to stop it all together...it has been tough to admit I am sick..I am sacred my children will have it...my mom has it, my cousien has it so does her 10 year old, my aunt had it so does another cousien..it is very scarey to deal with..I will watch the show later and hope I am not angry with Dr Phil.
Forum with  a prenancy and meds board-
www.crazyboards.org

The pregnancy/meds support board:  http://www.crazyboards.org/index.php?showforum=22

In the very least, there are a lot of people going through the same thing
 
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March 7, 2006, 9:36 pm PST

Bipolar Caused Disaster Recently In Our Family

Five weeks ago, our beautiful, bipolar son-in-law went to the top of a mountain in North Georgia and took his own life.  This disease is so very very dangerous and confusing.  He left a loving wife and a beautiful 4 year-old daughter.  He had over 2000 people pay their respects at the funeral home and over a 1000 people attended the funeral.  Never had there been such an outpouring of the public for anyone before in that area.  Michael was a Missionary in the North Georgia Mountains and had the world by the tail.  So much going for him and so full of life.  This disease totally turned him into someone we didn't know. For 5 years he fought this demon.  He was hospitalized, went to counciling and to a psychiatrist.  In fact the week he took his life he had seen his doctor and councelor.  No one knew just how deep his depression went.  This disease tricks the mind into thinking they are well so I don't need the medicines.  Please, take this disease seriously.  We as a family did everything we thought was right and we still missed something.  My daughter is left alone, a stay home mom, with so many decisions to make; decisions that a 30 year old should not have to make at this point in her life.  There are so few answers to give a four year old.  People ask is they are ok,  my answer is, you tell me what ok is and I'll tell you.  Her faith is carrying her through this ordeal but it is so very very hard to realize that we missed something that we were working so hard to help him with.  Even with support and medical help, sometimes there are just no answers.
 
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March 7, 2006, 9:36 pm PST

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Hey Bluesun-- 

What's with the vegemite--cause it stinks so bad or something --or is it being used in a way I missed? 

  

I pretty much agree with the lady who is into unexpressed feelings but not with the second paragraph about religion--people all have different experiences with M/D and what she has come to believe is as valid as the way you think--I have been through every medication on the market--none of them worked--the side effects were awful.  I lost more than I gained because of the drugs--I thought I was thinking normally--but my thinking was very squirrilly.  I've been off all drugs for over a year now--it's not easy, but the control I really have now is so much better and the more I think and reflect about the past and the effects it had on me and how it is working now, the more I see my M/D as controllable without drugs--there may be a chemical/biological component, but it is small compared with the other stuff.  As I said, everyone is different.  If I use what I use and you use what you use, who cares as long as we are progressing forward as good people? 

  

Take care, everyone and keep on truckin' !!! 

  

Susan 

is a person--reason for the mixup---Vegemite is a really nasty vegetable paste from the UK that my mom used to spread on bread as a kid in WW2/or maybe it was read about in the Brit boarding school books when we were kids, I don't remember --one of my sis's was in Australia a couple of years ago and brought some back--it smelled totally gross and disgusting--worse than bad dog breath. 

I wasn't trying to insult anyone. 

  

Take care 

Susan 

 
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HI! 

  

My husband was diagnosed with Bipolar II in December.  As with most bipolar cases, it has taken 10 years+ and 4 different doctors to get to this point.  He is 33 years old and has tried at least 6 different anti-depressants and numerous sleep meds since 1999, but the depression kept "coming back".  Bipolar always came up, but we, along with the doctors, would always dismiss it because he never had mania - not the way we pictured it at least.  We stumbled upon our current doctor and she explained to us "hypomania" symptoms and it finally clicked.  He has been on Lamictal for only 2 weeks now so we are still in the "waiting for buildup" stage.  I am so happy to hear your daughter is doing well on it & it gives me hope that it will possible give my husband some relief.  Since December, I have been reading everything and anything I can find regarding bipolar II disorder and have found some helpful websites that describe the different "variations" of bipolar.  These sites also have links to other sites, recommend books, support groups, etc.   I hope you find them helpful as well.  

  • www.psycheducation.org - "a public service" site by Dr. James R. Phelps in Oregon - a lot of info to take in but well worth the time!
  • www.healthyplace.com - mental health information site - has different "communities"; bipolar community has overview of variations, section about bipolar in children, and if you click the support link, it has LOTS of help and support for those of us who love someone with bipolar and how we can help them and ourselves deal best with the illness!
  • www.nami.org - national alliance for mentally ill
  • www.dbsalliance.org - depression and bipolar support alliance 

In case you haven't been told lately, you are a WONDERFUL parent for driving so far to insure your daughter gets the care she needs.  She is very lucky to have you...be sure to take care of yourself too!!  best of luck! 

You have both given my a ray of hope. My husband also was orginally diagnosed ADHD. He was also told that he had anxiety disorder. After trying so many medicines the doctor, in late 2005, said he also believes my husband has Bipolar tendencies. Over the last year his anger has gotten progressively worse and it disappears as suddenly as it hits. After reading some of these stories I felt my self becoming overwhelmed with grief, would my husband every get better. We are currently not living under the same roof because of his anger. the medications he is currently taking are adderall and zanax nothing for the bipolar unfortunately, this is because he has no health insurance and we don't know where to turn for help for him.
 
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March 7, 2006, 9:39 pm PST

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I am desperate for help. My husband and I are both 26. We were married right out of high school. And we have to children a son 7 and a daughter 3. Late in the 2005 in five year after being treated for ADHD my husband doctor told him he had Bi-polar tendencies. His anger has become increasingly worse over the last 2 years and has now started to turn to violence toward me. I had to leave in the middle of the night recently to get to safety and now am living with my parents. I love my husband dearly and want so badly for our family to be under the same roof again. But I know that can't happen until he gets help. I recently stopped working to go back to college and I am in nursing school now, so my husband is the only source of income. He is also without any insurance. At this point in our life we live paycheck to paycheck and I don't know where to turn for help. I was hoping someone may have some ideas on any help we can get. Help with medicine cost, or a even counsiling he can get with little cost. I am desperate, Please help!
Congratulations to you.  First and foremost, you need to look in the mirror and like yourself for what you are doing.  My God, with all you are dealing with, you are in school and this is not like easy by any means.  I took a year of Medical Terminology and that was hell>  That is NOTHING like what you are doing.  I can't respond to your prob with the hub, I can only encourage you with what you are doing now.  You are trying to better yourself, and please, please, please, do not give this up.  Go to your college and talk to the financial department.  I once worked within the college system, and they have so many programs for people like yourself that are not posted.  Explain your situation, and stand firm.  They can help and you need to do this for YOU.  There is no way you are responsible for your husbands problems, and therefore, you need to do for YOU, and only then can you make the decision to stay in your relationship.  If you and your children are at a good emotional place, then and only then, can you try to help your husband.  You cannot change him, and you want to be emotionally grounded before you try to help him with his problem.  Good luck, but I want to tell you that you should be soooooo proud of yourself for going for a career; especially one as difficult as nursing.  The best of luck to you, and by the way, YOU ARE A BABY AND HAVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF YOU.  Stay with your dream.
 
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