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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 8, 2006, 7:38 am PST

Teenager with BiPolar II....THANKS FOR MUCH!

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HI! 

  

My husband was diagnosed with Bipolar II in December.  As with most bipolar cases, it has taken 10 years+ and 4 different doctors to get to this point.  He is 33 years old and has tried at least 6 different anti-depressants and numerous sleep meds since 1999, but the depression kept "coming back".  Bipolar always came up, but we, along with the doctors, would always dismiss it because he never had mania - not the way we pictured it at least.  We stumbled upon our current doctor and she explained to us "hypomania" symptoms and it finally clicked.  He has been on Lamictal for only 2 weeks now so we are still in the "waiting for buildup" stage.  I am so happy to hear your daughter is doing well on it & it gives me hope that it will possible give my husband some relief.  Since December, I have been reading everything and anything I can find regarding bipolar II disorder and have found some helpful websites that describe the different "variations" of bipolar.  These sites also have links to other sites, recommend books, support groups, etc.   I hope you find them helpful as well.  

  • www.psycheducation.org - "a public service" site by Dr. James R. Phelps in Oregon - a lot of info to take in but well worth the time!
  • www.healthyplace.com - mental health information site - has different "communities"; bipolar community has overview of variations, section about bipolar in children, and if you click the support link, it has LOTS of help and support for those of us who love someone with bipolar and how we can help them and ourselves deal best with the illness!
  • www.nami.org - national alliance for mentally ill
  • www.dbsalliance.org - depression and bipolar support alliance 

In case you haven't been told lately, you are a WONDERFUL parent for driving so far to insure your daughter gets the care she needs.  She is very lucky to have you...be sure to take care of yourself too!!  best of luck! 

Good morning!
 

Thank you so much for responding to my message and for the very helpful websites.  I too read and research almost daily on this.  It sounds like your husband is a lot like my daughter.  She does not have any of the serious or extreme symptoms that the BiPolar I exhibits.  Hers is more of a mild depressed state and then it seems like she bounces back to a happy state (hypomania), however for the most part she functions just as well, if not better, than anyone else that does not have this disorder.  It looks like my daughter and your husband are very fortunate.  

  

Thank you so much for your last comment.  It brought tears to my eyes, because no I do not get told what a wonderful parent I am and your comment really made me feel VERY good!  It can get overwhelming at times, however I love more daughter more than anything and feel that my job is to insure she lead a happy and productive life.  We are on our way back to San Antonio this weekend (2nd time this week) just to talk to her doctor about some typical teenage issues that she is going through and I do not want her to get too stressed out over them.  

  

I will be praying for you and your husband!  Thank you also for reminding me that I do need to take care of myself!  Funny how we forget that when we are so wrapped up in someone else.  My email address is ajala57@aol.com and my name is Gwen.  Should you come across any other helpful websites, please email me and I will do the same. 

  

Has your husband ever had the SPECT Imaging done?  If so, how did that help in his diagnosis?  I am researching that right now and plan on talking to her doctor about it on Saturday.  The website on the Dr. Phil Show brainmatterinc.com and also amenclinics.com provide great info about this and BiPolar disorder. 

  

Have a great day! 

 
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March 8, 2006, 7:46 am PST

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I was diganosed with depression a long time ago, but more recently correctly diagnosed with bi-polar. (Although depression remains the strongest current of my bi-polar. ) I taken fish oil supplements with great results! I am on regular anti-depressants, but I can tell the fish oil help too- not an extreme boost, but a bit of a lift out of the muck. I can tell a difference when I don't take it. The issue is, fish oil has this nasty side effect of making you burp. And not just any burp, but nasty fish oil tasting burp. I don't take it because of these nasty side effects, despite its helpful all natural benefits. Hopefully someone will catch on to this and find a way to compile it with the nasty side effects, because I believe it is worth pursuing (sp?). And if you can deal with the side effects its worth it. on a side note; "Does hypothyroidism go hand in hand with bipolar?" I have hypothyroidism along with my bi-polar. I know there is a link between hypothyroidism and depression. My largest symptoms are depression, so I don't know if you can isolate it as a link to bi-polar. But I certainly have both.
Im not sure if hypotyroidism goes hand in hand with Bipolar .It could be medication and that is what happened to me.Although my daughter doesnt have the problem and she takes same medication as I do.My dad has it as well,bur not on same meds as we are.So I really cant say.It could be age as well.I would suggest doing research on it.Thats what Im going to do.So if you or I find info please let me know.
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:46 am PST

omega-3

i wanted to let all of you know my information I found while doing a paper for my pyschology class on omega-3 fish oil being used as additional treatment for bipolar. First I want to start out by saying the study I found says that it has to be omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil, not flax seed or some of the others. The body breaks up the two omega-3 differently and it has to do with the % absorbed. My husband was told he had bipolar "tendencies" but the doctor felt he delt more with ADHD. I brought up the study I had found about the omega-3 to my husbands doctor, who hadn't heard of it, and agreed to try it out my husband was taking 4 of the 1200 mg twice daily. The actual study had theit patients taking more but because the doctor was unfamiliar with it thats all he wanted to try. I say he was taking it because he recently stopped about a month ago and 2 days ago he had one of the worst rage attacks he has ever had in over a year. He never had one while on the the fish oil. He still got irritable occationaly but it was never anything that just letting him be didn't clear up with in an hour or so. He never had rage. Just another example of why people with bipolar should never stop there meds, but how many time it happens just because they feel better. The research strongly states the this is not a suppliment treatment, but one to be added to those who are not responding well to there current meds. My husband wasn't being treat at all for bipolar just an antidepressant, zanax for anxiety, and adderal for his ADHD, but i got the doctor to agree to try the fish oil therapy. One reason he agreed is because it is a natural suppliment and has not side effects other than some fishy smell of the capsule. My husband never had a bad after taste or fish burps. Of course I would never recommend that anyone try the omega-3 without first consulting with there doctor first.
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:47 am PST

misplaced blame

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My sister was diagnosed as Manic-Depressed after 20 years of a roller-coaster lifestyle that took her  family and friends with her.  Truth be told.....it was harder on her family than it was on her.  When she was on the straight and narrow, she held a job, lived on her own, and then decided that she was cured and stopped taking her medicine.  Then the high..........debts, job loss, weight gain.  Then soon after, the inevitable "crash".  Regrets, tears, pit of despair.  My parents would rush in, clean up her mess and ready the world for her next appearance.  She would emerge from the hospital....hopeful, confident and ready to start all over.  They would be worn down with worry and financial woes.  Then it would start all over!   

  

The major reason for all all this?  She would self diagnose and decide on her own that she didn't need the medications.  You could ask her if she was taking her medicine and she would look you in the eye and lie every time.  As soon as she started laughing too loud, everyone would brace themselves.   

  

From my experience, the family and friends of the "bi-polar" person suffers much more than they ever do. 

It seems to me adoanna, you have a right to be angry and frustrated. But I think you are misplacing your anger at your sister. She did not ask for this disease, as much as you did not ask to be related to someone with this disease. You definatley has some anger that needs addressing and validation, but remember to correctly place your anger or the disease or the situation. not your sister. I think people by default tend to blame to deal. It's much easer to blame a person than some abstract or often vague and confussing disease. Please keep this in mind. You and your sister are in this together.
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:47 am PST

PLease

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 Dr. Phil, 

  

     I believe Bi-Polar results from unresolved pain or feelings one has never expressed. When someone does not deal with their problems and stuff all  their issues down so deep believing they will not suface. The truth is someone's biological make up can change because of stress and trauma. The body and mind go into survival mode and the longer the body stays in survival mode the more the biological system changes in the body. People can be healed from this if the choose to deal with the root of the problem. I'm not saying all people are in this category. I just think as Americans  we areprone to take the quick fix instead of dealing with our problems. 

    Spiritual warfare exists today. The battle is in the mind. I know a woman who was bi- polar and has been healed. Not by medication but by prayer and reading the Bible. The LOrd has the power to do all things. My friend's mother was schizophrenic for all of her life. A couple of years ago she was in bed sick and she could not get up for days. Her radio was on a christian station preaching the gospel. She was healed and enjoying her life today. God is the miracle worker. The Word(Bible) is the bread of life. 

This sort of message is so detrimental to those dealing with any sort of mental illness.  I would ask this writer if he or she believes that HER god could heal those that have a serious heart condition.  Should a person with diabetes simply pray?  I have had no instances of unresolved pain.  I grew up in a family that was caring, understanding, loving and always did their best to help me deal with the bipolar disorder that i have dealt with since childhood.  It is a tribute to their love (and economic support) that I am doing so well today.  My biggest fear is that someone with bipolar will read this and not get help.  Or even worse feel they need to search for an instance of unresolved pain in their past even if one can't be found.  Please educate yourself before you preach your religion to others.  I wonder how long these people will be "healed." Bipolar goes in cycles and often there will be no symptoms for week, months, or even years.  I am doing wonderfully and by no means am I, or will I ever be, completely healed
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:52 am PST

Early Onset Bipolar Disorder

I have an 8 year old son who has bipolar disorder.  I get so upset when I see shows (love Dr. Phil in geneal, but he is NOT a psychiatrist!!!) and they gloss over the disease.  It is not the person's fault when they are in a rage!  To suggest that they can think clearly is being extremely ignorant of this disorder.  They are called rages for a reason!  My son has threatened us, his teachers, Dr's, etc...  He is usually a well behaved, sweet child but when he goes manic it's like night and day.  Anyone living with someone with bipolar disorder can relate to what I am saying.  The most horrible aspect of this disorder is the lack of understanding by other people.  Even my son's school psychiatrist and other behavior experts in the district do not understand.  It is incredibly frustrating. 

  

I just needed to get this off my chest!  I have written to Dr. Phil before, but I have never had a response from him as to why he does not do a show on children with bipolar disorder, and also why he has said on past shows that no child should ever be given antipysychotics (he said this on the Tom Cruise show about women taking antidepressants for post partum depression). 

 
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March 8, 2006, 7:54 am PST

Being a mother to bipolar children is a challange

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My  79 yr old father is in the late stages of Alzheimer's disease.My 23 yr old daughter was diagnosed with early onset bipolar disorder at the age of 14, which was triggered by the sudden and unexpected death of her beloved father/my dear husband 6 months prior to that. Both suffer from no-fault, neuro-biological brain disorders where the presenting symptoms are abnormal behavior and thinking, which may appear to be within their control but it is not. Their ability to accept and understand their illness is also difficult because it is their brain that is not working properly. Besides Alzheimer's disease and bipolar disorder, our family history, past and present,  includes depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, schizophrenia, anxiety disorder, eating disorders, Tourette's, mood disorders and other brain illnesses. Most of my family members have college degrees and are completely functional and productive members of society---with medication and treatment.  

  

Whether it is a stroke, bipolar disorder, a traumatic brain injury, Alzheimer's disease, major depression or other neurobiological brain disorders, one's whole physical, psychological, intellectual, emotional and spiritual self is affected. The lives lost to and chronic disability from these disorders are incredible. Most people understand and are compassionate about cancer, heart disease, diabetes and other "medical" impairments. But that is frequently not so with brain disorders. That's why terms like "going psycho, schizo, looney, mental, nuts, crazy" are such incorrect and stigmatizing words. These illnesses are as real, devastating, painful and life threatening as the other previously mentioned diseases. That many states still do not  require health insurance companies to give parity for "mental illnesses" and their treatment is deplorable. 

  

I was skeptical when I heard about Dr. Phil's show on bipolar disorder, concerned that it would be sensationalized and dismissed. I watched it intently and applaud his approach with the two guests, the information presented, his insight, compassion and the challenge and help he offered to his guests. "Knowlege is necessity" and Dr. Phil hopefully enlightened many, many viewers and gave people hope. I encourage viewers to contact their local NAMI chapter and the NAMI website for excellent info, classes and support groups. I also recommend  the Child and Adolescent Bipolar Foundation and NARSAD organizations on-line for more information. 

  

As a mother who has dealt with the ongoing issues related to bipolar disorder for my dear daughter, I can say that this has been the biggest challenge in my almost 55 years, especially trying to find help and a safety net (other than me) for this talented and creative young woman. She has been doing better with the help of newer medications (although the side effects have included substantial weight gain and acne----pretty awful when your self-esteem is almost zero and you're female in this appearance-obsessed culture!!) but this illness along with the trauma of losing her dad at a very fragile age has absolutely decimated her life. My husband's death was the absolute worst loss I have ever faced but it pales in comparison to what I've been through with my daughter. It is an on-going loss for both of us and I'm filled with deep sadness, fear, frustration and helplessness on a daily basis. I will always have hope but it appears that this illness, even with treatment, will be chronic and without resolution. That she is alive today is a true miracle and I hold onto that.  

I can relate to what you are saying. i have 4 bipolar children and I just visited some of the web sites you mentioned I found them very helpful. I am so sorry to hear about your loss. I hope you and your daughter hold on. You are right even with treatment it is there for the rest of their lives. I lost my daughter at the young age of 23 to this illness in 2004. I have two more children who are barely hanging on. Since my daughters death it seems like the illness in my other children has gotten worse. I wish more people understood this complex  illness. My 15 yr old is currently in residential treatment. We  work so hard on helping our children thru something that we ourselves don't understand. Sometimes I feel like the more I learn the less I know because everyone is different. I wish you the best of luck and you are in my prayers.     Mom who understands
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:57 am PST

What can you do

What can be done when the person refuses to get help or admit to being mentally ill? Especially when they think that they are right and seeing the truth, and that anyone who disagrees iwith them s being delusional? What can you say to them when they are delusional? 

  

My sister (married with 3 kids) is delusional, paranoid and suffers from anxiety. It runs in cycles that vary in length and they seem to be getting more frequent.  When she is delusional, nothing can convince her that her reality is skewed. When she isn't, she says it never happened or is being exaggerated.   

  

When she thought people were sneaking into her home and watching her, her husband changed the locks and had the home swept for listening devices and hidden cameras. That appeased her for moments until she decided "they" knew that was going to be done and removed the "bugs" before the technician arrived, then reinstalled them afterward. After 4 changes of locks and 2 additional sweeps for bugs, she now says her husband doesn't care to protect her and give her a secure home because he refuses to change the locks again. His changing the locks and paying for the place to be "debugged" didn't work, not doing it doesn't work either.  This is just one delusion. She has several that she cycles through and while the people sometimes change, the "story-lines" don't.  We don't know what to do or how to get her to get help. We worry about the impact on her kids.  

  

We need to know what to say to her when she starts talking delusionally. One sister believes she needs to show support and not only believes the delusions (because she's our sister and we have to believe her if we love her!) but actively converses with her almost daily and "brainstorms" on how to solve things... for example, how she can find out that her husband has AIDS (no evidence of that), prove that people are following her and bugging her home and coming in when no one is home (despite 3 dogs in the home), etc.  etc.  We cannot convince this sister that this may be the worst thing to do. But then, we don't really know if its harmful... maybe it is a good thing? We just don't know.. 

  

Last spring my sister talked of "ending it all" so we took her to the ER, hoping to get help. What we found out was: if we had called the police and they brought her to the ER,  the hospital would have had to admit her for at least 3 days. Because we took her, they had to believe her when she said she was okay and refused treatment.  As we watch these delusional episodes, we worry about them escalating to her harming herself or her family. We don't know what to do, what to say or how to proceed.  How have others handled this?  

 
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March 8, 2006, 7:58 am PST

you sound like myself

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Age/Sex/Diagnosis:   34 yrs old/  Male/  Bi-polar 

  

Medications: Seroquel and Effexor RX   

  

Relationships:  None  

  

Jobs:  Too many to count (Always let go because of lack of attendence) 

  

Education:  Honors Business from the Richard Ivey Business School @ the University of Western 

  

Positives:  Charming, friendly, empathetic, motivated, intelligent, focused, disciplined, creative, work out religiously 

  

Negatives:  Irritable, unfriendly, apathetic, de-motivated, stupid decision making skills, unfocused, undisciplined, don't work out 

  

Things holding me back:  Ability to be consistent such as showing up for work everyday, getting a good nights sleep, being consistent in a friendship or relationship, very moody 

  

Highs - I am exceptional when I'm on high.  My ego is ridiculously high and I am very confident and get a lot done in a short time frame 

  

Lows - Don't leave the house, don't shower or groom, don't talk to anyone 

  

Attempts at Fighting Disease:  I buy motivational cd's books etc such as items from Anthony Robbins, Dr. Phil, Donald Trump and Mark Cuban all in the hopes of giving me the consistent innner strength to achieve to my potential. 

  

Residence: Currently with Mother, Previous with Father 

  

Nutrition:  I usually drink soda pop and eat fast food.  I don't want to use the oven, I don't have the patience to cook.  I rarely eat vegtables unless parents cook them for me. 

  

Finance: Government assitance - No current debts 

  

Friends: None that I talk to on a regular basis 

  

Spirituality: Go to church once a week with my father 

  

Goals: To get a job and keep it - To get an apartment of my own - To work out regularly again - To improve nutrition - To include friends in my life - To be more consistent on a daily basis - To reduce mood swings - To go to bed at the same time every night and get a good nights sleep - To be able to cook and use the oven - To not be a quitter 

  

  

  

i have recently been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. the way you describe your positives and negatives is like me. i have always felt like two different people at two different times. when i am in my euphoric state i am sexy, i can do anything, i am smart, funny, energetic, caring and empathetic, highly organized and fanatically neat and clean, the list can go on and on. but when i am in a state i have always called, "being in the bell jar", i am angry, deeply depressed, suicidal, hopeless, moody, unmotivated, messy in my home and appearance, anti-social, isolated, tired, listless, negative, mean, uncaring, very emotional (crying over nothing and everything or laughing at things that are not funny), cynical, and this list can go on forever. i have lived like this as long as i can remember and i am almost 32. i am only now getting some help for it at the insistance of my husband of 13 years. poor guy. i know I wouldn't want to live with me. but, i wish there was someone he could talk to to help him understand or cope with me. i don't want to lose my family but sometimes i have suicidal thoughts because i think i poison them and their lives just by being here. i feel extreme guilt over how i have treated him and our children and i just want to run away and not put them thru this. i am not on meds yet, because i have to see another dr. next week. i just want you to know that you are not alone as i have always thought i was. the few times i would try to talk to anyone (friends or family) about it they would always ask me what was going on to make me feel so depressed. and i knew immediately that they didn't or couldn't understand because this happens with no rhyme nor reason and  can change in a matter of hours. up and down. what a screwed up teeter-totter right? hang in there as i and everyone else with this disorder will try to do. apparently as well as this disorder i also have an anxiety disorder and a form of ocd. funny i always thought i was just a perfectionist! bye.
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:58 am PST

WORRIED!!

Dr. Phil hit on some very important point and topics yesterday on the show, but I also feel that he left out the manic depressive part of being bi-polar.  I am bipolar and I am afraid that if any of my co-workers or friends watched the show that they will think of me that way and I am in no way like either guest. I have been in and out of hospitals and this last visit was because I had taked myself off my meds (big mistake)!!  Because of not being on my meds I had an affair and do not remember any of it, now I am getting better had to have ETC's (they are not as bad as you think) but now going through a divorce and I am afraid I will loose custody of my children because of my disorder.   HELP!
 
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