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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 9, 2006, 7:30 am PST

Fear of leaving home...

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Hello everyone, I am new here.  In the year 2000 I was diagnosed with a Brain Tumor.  I have gone down hill ever since.  I have what is called a Pitutary Tumor, it's located in the master gland inside the brain.   

 

Not only has it affected my emotions/my personality,  it has affected my body as well. Such as producing prolactine and having my period twice a month.   But I applied for social security and had to see a state doctor and was told that I was Bipolar. I have horrible moods swings to the point I want to rip your head off.   This can happen at any time / moment of the day.. I am sure my kids are going nuts..   

 

I hate to go out of the house. My husband does all the shopping. I am very anti social, I dont even visit my parents any longer who are getting up in age.. I am getting to the point that I cannot even sit in a movie theater with out feeling like something bad is going to happen, I have to sit close to the door with no one sitting behind me.  Any school functions for the kids I hate doing, I feel strange and not like everyone else, I dread going and will only go if my husband forces me or I have to convince myself or prepare myself to go.   

 

Today is a bad day, I feel like I can just take every dish in my cupboards and break them.. I feel like I am jumping out of my skin!!!!!! I am sick of living this way and came here to see what kind of help or anyone who can relate to what or how I am feeling and I am going to look in the section here in a moment to see where I can get a good doctor in my area, one that I will like.  Most people I do not like or want to get to know them.   

 

 

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Is "agoraphobia," and what you describe are panic attacks...  Again, I really worry that EVERYTHING'S being lumped under the "bipolar" heading.  The DSM is a very thick book for a reason: there are a lot of different mental disorders.  Hope this show wasn't disinformation.
 
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March 9, 2006, 8:12 am PST

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I am very disappointed with the way that people with Bipolar Disorder II were depicted on the program. I mean, is it common for people with Bipolar II to be abusive to their children? I don't know. And what about being psycho? And a harm to oneself and others? The program gave people the impression that those with Bipolar II should be kept at a distance when I totally disagree. Now, what about those with Bipolar I? Basset
 
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March 9, 2006, 8:47 am PST

Hi Rick...

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Hi i wass wondering if you could e-mail me the web page. And if you are comfortable te name of the doctor your son goes to. He could possibly refer me to 1 near me. My wife and i have a boy who is almost 4. We have raised the concerns about our son to his doctor .But she will not listen. And seems to think we are being oeverly concerned. My wife is bipolar and ADHD. so our concerns are very real. We really could use your help. Thank You 

              

                          Rick and Katie 

I am so sorry that your son's doctor is so ignorant about Bipolar.  My son's peditrician was as first too.   

The web site that I have found to be very useful is www.bpkids.org, it not only gives you information about getting a diagnosis for kids, but also lists doctors who treat children with bipolar disorder.   

  

Also the book "The Highs & Lows of Raising a BiPolar Child" is a great resource.  

  

Good luck, and feel free to e-mail me with any questions or just to vent :0 

SCUROMOM@dc.rr.com 

 
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March 9, 2006, 8:55 am PST

what about the kids?

I'll admit that I didn't read all of the messages, but I read alot of them.  I didn't see much about the two boys that are being severely affected by their mother's disease.  I grew up with a mother with severe bipolar.  I'm 44 and still feel the effects of her disorder.  While I understand better than most, the manic episodes, the paranoia, the delusions, and the deep, deep depression episodes, and the fact that she couldn't "help it", it still has impacted me beyond description.  I am ecstatic that I am not like her and did not inherit this disorder because I don't think I could live with myself if I had it.  The anger that this disorder causes to the children that live through it daily is profound.  I could see it in both of those two children's eyes.  I have come to terms with what I went through.  I hope Dr. Phil helps those two boys do the same because they need it.  My mother is now in a nursing home and completely incapacitated.  She is nonambulatory, cannot take care of her basic needs, and has zero quality of life.  She is paying out of pocket for her daily care because insurance won't cover anything for her anymore.  She is not wealthy, but is spending all of my deceased father's money that was meant for their grandchildren's college education because she is so dibilatated.  What will happen to her when that is gone, I have no idea and it scares me to death.  In fact, I have a draft letter saved that I wrote to Dr. Phil asking for help because I don't know what to do with her anymore or how to get her help.  I believe part of her current state is due to the heavy medications that she has been taking on and off for over 45 years.  So I guess my message is twofold:  remember the children that live through this.  They are just as impacted and it is devastating.  And second: the medical field has no idea how those drugs are affecting people long term.  I know they are necessary, but people that suffer from these disorders and must take those medications should prepare for a future that may include the need for total care. 
 
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March 9, 2006, 9:04 am PST

Maybe BP Maybe not

I think maybe we should start looking into BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER. 

I never even heard of it, until I was diagnosed with it.  I have Bipolar I and BPD. 

Bipolar is a mental illness, BPD is a personality illness.  Alot of the symptoms overlap, but for myself, the rage that is spoken of on the show, is from my BPD, not my Bipolar. 

  

  

Maybe Dr. Phil can do a show on Borderline Personality Disorder???????I 

 
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March 9, 2006, 9:04 am PST

I feel so bad for you...

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 My 7 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with bi-polar disorder.  She has been a difficult child since she was born, but I would never have thought she was bi-polar.  She is profoundly deaf which makes getting her help so very difficult.  We have not been able to find a doctor that can sign.  She see's 2 doctors, a psychiatrist, and psychologist.  She also see's a behavioral specialist at her school for the deaf.  The school does not believe she is bi-polar and feel that it is the diagnosis of the moment for children. 
It is so difficult, the doctors cannot communicate with her, so they just sit and view her.  All their information comes from us.  I feel she needs the opportunity to have someone talk with her, to ask her what she feels, but we cannot find anyone that works with the deaf in the field of psychiatry. 
We have no family history of bi-polar disorder in our family, which also leads me to believe that this may be the wrong diagnosis.
She also has been diagnosed with ADHD and is on meds for that, which seems to help in her being able to sit and finish a task, and controls most of her hyperactivity.  As the drug wears off she becomes extremely hyper.
She has behavioral problems, and frequent long lasting violent rages.  She becomes so strong during these rages that it is almost impossible for 2 adults to control her.  She is on a med. at night to help calm her down and get her to sleep, prior to her being on this med. she would only sleep about 4 hours a night, and go strong the next day with no naps and continue the cycle.
I feel so lost, so helpless, I have done hours and hours of research,  numerous phone calls, but cannot find anyone that can help my daughter, short of giving her meds, but without, what I believe spending time with her and communicating with her (due to her deafness) to make this diagnosis.
Our lives are out of control and have no where to turn.

Mamma to Madison, Caroline

and your poor daughter... 

it's hard enough to have the co-curring disorders, but to not be able to communicate would just rip me apart for my son.   

I too, first thought my son was just ADHD, but then he started turning violent, not just hyper and impulsive, but actually violent (at 4! it was heartbreaking) and he would have these awful rages that came from nowhere, so I took him back to the psychiatrist he sees and did some more evaluations, read some books and tried some meds, which seemed to work. 

He does have to have his  meds adjusted every so often as he grows, but for the most part he is not "manic" like he was before and the rages are decreasing.   

There is a new therapy for ADHD created by NASA called "Play Attention" and most insurances cover it, the goal it to get the child off the meds for ADHD. You may want to look into it.  My son after 3 lessons is doing well, it takes about 60 hours of "training", the way his educational psychologist explained it to me is that it is "like rehabilitation for the brain" and it "retrains" the area of the brain that controls impluses.  I'm praying that by this time next year he'll only be on the meds for bipolar.   

The website I belive is www.playattention.com, and here is one for bipolar kids www.bpkids.org 

both are great sources of information. I wish you and your daughter good luck. Fee free to e-mail me.  SCUROMOM@dc.rr.com 

Victoria 

 
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March 9, 2006, 9:10 am PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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A couple of years ago I was diagnosed with bypolar after spending some time in the Fort Kent hospital for trying a suicide attempt. I was alwys diagnosed as severe depression and them they said bypolar. I really am confused about what is really wrong with me .I stopped going to the Dr I was seeing because I am not working any more and have no insurance . I take medication for anxiety attacks and depression. I am so confused about this. I know my sickness has hurt alot of people around me including myself. Sometimes I feel like giving up. I may never know what is truly wrong with me.After watching the show today on bypolar, I was even more confused. I too had a severe head injury when I was 3 years old in a bad car accident with my family, and had an abnormal MRI but they never found out why. What is truly wrong with me and what do I do about all the mood swings and depression.  

With recurrent unipolar depression you DO experience mood swings, although its just between normal mood and depressed mood. There is no hypomania or mania associated with this type of depression. People who undergo remission (alleviation of symptoms) from depression experience Euthymia, which is basically a normally good mood. Euthymia is just a sense of relief, kinda like that sigh you make when the Advil kicks in and your headache goes away.  =) For a doctor to diagnose Bipolar disorder from a bad case of depression is ludicrous. What is disturbing is that since 50% of Americans suffer from depression at one point in thier lives, that means 50% of Americans have the potential to be misdiagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Depression is a common condition, much like the common cold, while Bipolar Disorder only affects about 1-2% of people, based on the statistics of the National Institute of Mental Health!!  

I think we'll be seeing many more cases of misdiagnosis. This is sad because in the fast-paced crazy world we live in today, more and more people are rushing to medication as a solution to deep-seated emotional issues, when psychotherapy would be much more effective and produce long-term results. I have Bipolar II Disorder and medication does nothing for any sort of negative thinking or attitudes on my part. In our fast-moving world, people are in a rush and looking for quick solutions. Recovery from emotional problems requires a long process of healing thru therapy, life experience, and/or spirtuality. Low self-esteem and abuse/trauma will make you emotionally unstable and moody =\ (I can just see the shrinks writing prescriptions of depakote right now...). 

 
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March 9, 2006, 9:13 am PST

Hi Apryl

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Hi everyone.  First time postng here. 

  

I just wanted to say that I was diagnosed with Cyclothymia three years ago.  Cyclothymia is considered a very mild form of BP and my particular case is so mild, that I am only on 100 mg of Lamictal per day (200mg is considered the minimum daily dosage). 

  

Although I can appreciate and empathise with what others are going through, reading these posts and watching the show is making me wonder whether I actually have this disease.   

  

I had always noticed that my so called episodes coincided with either ovulation or my period.  Naturally, I assumed it was hormonal.  My husband, in his infinite wisdom, decided that I must have some sort of mental illness and took me around from doctor to doctor until one gave us a diagnosis. 

  

Unfortunately, my diagnosis has become a convenient spot for him to place blame for any marital problems that we encounter (there are lots of them ... but that's for another show!). 

  

I never had any of the symptoms that are being described here.  I would simply get blue and then snap out of it.  Lamictal does have a mild anti-depressive property, so I am now wondering if that's all I needed to get me over the monthly hormonal surge. 

  

While I don't want to be in denial, I am now very curious to know if I actually have this disorder. 

  

Apryl 

I am glad that you came here, and particularly with that topic of episodes coinciding with ovulation and periods.  This is the case with many women.  My bipolar goes just like that.  I have a mixed episode every month.  I go from manic to depressed, that is.  The week before my period I am manic and during, I am depressed.  You are just lucky that the Lamictal is working for you, so that's a good thing.  Your husband seems to be looking for a scapegoat, if you will, in order to avoid taking responsibilty for your marital problems.  See, in my marriage, everything was my fault, too.  Unfortunately, when I left him, the problems remained for him.  So, he couldn't blame me anymore! 

What do you do to deal with your episodes (the predictable ones)?  I do try to plan for mine, knowing that my capabilities will be compromised for about half of the month.  Please write back, it will be nice to chat! 

Smile! 

~Sunshine~ 

 
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March 9, 2006, 9:18 am PST

roller coaster ride I want off!!!!

I too have bi-polar 2, been diagnose since Feb /04. I have know for many years that something just wasn't right but of course i was too scared to admit that i needed help. It came to a full blow ride once i lost the love of my life and moved to a city with no friends or family.... Now i was very lucky to have a GREAT GP Dr who knew & understood what was going on with me. I then  since have been seeing a shrink & he is great as well. Only thing i have been on Lithium which was working great till we increased my dosage then i broke out in a bad rash all over my body, i went off the Lithium till this past week when i got to see my shrink and he has now put me on a new drug wish is called Divalproex start with 250mg then next week increase it to 500mg.I have lost so many awesome jobs its unreal not to mention family members that just don't understand or even want to hear about bipolar. So as it stands i have no family to talk to about this as my 1 sister says my Dr's are nuts that there isn't anything wrong with me boy she is in denial or what. This summer i have a wedding to go to but have made up my mind that i will only go to the church and watch my niece get married as my brothers(2) and my sisters (2) will be there and i am affaird they will push me to make a scene so therefore i will not go to the party after wards. I only wish that here in Canada we have a brain scanning place to get tested but of course society treats us with bipolar as crazy people when we are not like that. People just don't seem to get that this is NOT our fault. I have been living off assistant for 1 year i am 43 now and  this past year i have lived off a $232.00 a month . This is all too much for one person to deal with. If anyone out there know of any groups to join in Ontario Canada please let me know  i need to have some kind of support an i have no one here no family and no friends that I would be able to trust with this.But hey i do have my trusted old cat to be here for me  ha ha.The highs & lows are horrible i tend to stay inside and not talk to anyone when i get them. All i ever wanted was to be normal and have a good life but it doesn't look like that will ever happen for me. If the love of my life left me because of this how in the world an I to find a man to love me for me????See i am spinning right now, how many tears can one person have holy crap.....
 
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March 9, 2006, 9:19 am PST

Thanks for your response

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I thought it was interesting that you asked about family support.  I should have asked if you are Bipolar.  Or are you dealing with another's illness?  I have more in common with Bipolars my age, so they are all I really know.  Some enjoy their family's support.  Others are like me, pretty independent and self-supporting. 

Take Care, c_y_wallac   

My ex husband is bipolar and despite severe psychotic delusions where everyone tells him he has breaks from reality he thinks he's fine....His parents eventually chalked it up to personality traits and accept his lack of dealing with anything in his life...he has been clinically diagnosed several times, but he cannot face reality and his parents, whom he lives with, will not force him to get help so he remains untreated and is missing  out on his children's lives .....I was hoping in most bipolar cases, the loss of family and everything else would make the bipolar person get help or perhaps his parents could force him....I feel badly that it can't be easier to get bipolars help, because from reading the messages posted it seems like a livable life can be obtained with proper medicine? That's why I asked you if you had family support or did you come to recognize it on your own....Thanks again for your responce
 
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