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Topic : 08/01 Extreme Highs and Lows

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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 7, 2006, 10:23 pm PST

What a eye opening show

  

I watched the show tonite to stave off depression, and searching for some hope.  I was struck by the profound revelations that there were more for the solution than against it.  In many ways my life resembles that of the mother, because my wife feels the same way as the boy with the hair on his face.  He was too young to understand the struggle to be right, that goes on in your head and not being able to do anything about it. I cried when a solution was presented that represented hope.  Something we all need, which is someone to step in and be that friend, which says if you are willing I am willing to go with you.  But you have to want to do it for yourself.  There are so many out there like me that would jump at the chance just to have that someone.  But I know there is too much scorched earth behind me that most (unless you have bipolar disorder) simply do not realize is part of the disease.  You do destructive things that hurt people who cannot get over the pain without help themselves, unfortunately families, friends, and acquaintances, move on to higher ground when you need the help the most.  

  

 

And then there is the man, who thought he was ok, but only to find out that he needed more help, brainworks really seemed to help.   Goes to show what happens on the other side of things when you have family who are in it with you.  The lady knew she needed help and sought it in a letter, the man on the other hand had friends, and family who sought the help (from what I saw)  One thing that struck me about him was that he seemed to be riding above the disease, trying to justify his condition in some way.  Now those of us who suffer either from I or II realize it is a coping mechanism, and yet, it is the only way to survive this is to believe that things will get better.   

  

 

I too understand the costs of the disease in the way of social stigma, as well as financial.  I find it hard to get the money each month for my dosage, and the funny thing is that if you live in SF, trying to keep your family together, that again has the attitude of the young boy, you fight two battles the first that the system does not recognize your need for help, because of the income level the unsupportive member, and the battle to reform yourself so that trust can be established to bring the balance in your life with the ones you love.  You cannot be to right or to left in your discussions with anyone, because it either seems insincere, or manipulative, you are in some ways stuck in a vice of not being able to cry out for help, because those that would answer are tired of the scorched earth that has occurred in the past, and those unfamiliar with the issue feeling that you are capable of getting yourself together, you just need to get a job.  Neither of which is possible without some sort of support that most are unwilling to engage in because it is simply too time consuming against the things that matter most in their own lives. I wish there was some help for people like that.   

  

 

Kind of like the lottery, the one time you do not expect to win is when you do, the odds are against it, and reality says you should not engage such a dream, but faith and hope makes you do it anyway.  Kind of like this posting, I have Hope and Faith that somewhere there is an answer out there for me. 

  

 
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March 7, 2006, 10:29 pm PST

ecstacy

Anyone know anything about the drug ecstasy and mood disorders?  Don't think I'm bipolar but always feel like i cant stop arguing, i get depressed, anxious, and stressed out easily.  I did ecstasy maybe 15 times about 7 years ago and wonder how it affected my brain.  TOTALLY DRUG AND ALCHOHOL FREE now for 5 years since i am married and have kids.  I'm a great mom, at least i try my very best. Just did stupid stuff after high school for a few years. 

 

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March 7, 2006, 10:30 pm PST

Karoquthri

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Five weeks ago, our beautiful, bipolar son-in-law went to the top of a mountain in North Georgia and took his own life.  This disease is so very very dangerous and confusing.  He left a loving wife and a beautiful 4 year-old daughter.  He had over 2000 people pay their respects at the funeral home and over a 1000 people attended the funeral.  Never had there been such an outpouring of the public for anyone before in that area.  Michael was a Missionary in the North Georgia Mountains and had the world by the tail.  So much going for him and so full of life.  This disease totally turned him into someone we didn't know. For 5 years he fought this demon.  He was hospitalized, went to counciling and to a psychiatrist.  In fact the week he took his life he had seen his doctor and councelor.  No one knew just how deep his depression went.  This disease tricks the mind into thinking they are well so I don't need the medicines.  Please, take this disease seriously.  We as a family did everything we thought was right and we still missed something.  My daughter is left alone, a stay home mom, with so many decisions to make; decisions that a 30 year old should not have to make at this point in her life.  There are so few answers to give a four year old.  People ask is they are ok,  my answer is, you tell me what ok is and I'll tell you.  Her faith is carrying her through this ordeal but it is so very very hard to realize that we missed something that we were working so hard to help him with.  Even with support and medical help, sometimes there are just no answers.

            I am soooo very sorry for your and your family's loss.              I'll put you in my prayers. 

 
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March 7, 2006, 10:30 pm PST

I feel your pain

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I am Bipolar II and I feel and have all of the anger and rage that Cathy has.  It used to explode all of the time before I started getting help.  The medication I take barely keeps it under control sometimes, but I manage.  Thankfully I have no children.  My "fear" is that one day I will hurt my husband physically or emotionally because he refuses to aknowledge the disease and therefore makes things worse sometimes when I ask him to back off and he doesn't.  I have taken him to one of my doctors to have it explained to him but it's like he hasn't heard anything except "hide your check book, she'll go crazy with the money".   

  

When I am angry, he continues to "pick" at me.  When I am depressed, he takes it personally or personalizes it, which makes it worse for me.  When I am annoyed and ask him nicely  to stop doing something that is bothering me, he doesn't.  He continues and I go from zero to 60.  For example, He used to touch me in a way I hated and I repeatedly asked him nicely, meanly, and yellingly to stop doing it. One day  he did this while we were in the kitchen and I had a kitchen knife in my hand and I almost plunged it into his stomache. I saw  myself doing this!  and this is while on the medication! This is the man I love and I was so enraged that I envisioned this and was one step away from doing this. I dropped the knife and jumped away from him.    

  

It was a month later before I told my husband about it and he finally got the hint and he hasn't touched me that way for 3 months but that's about the only BPII thing he's listened to me about. He shouldn't have to fear for his life to take me seriously. I even bought the man a book about BPII to read to help him understand it but he never bothered to read it.  I am worried that my mood swings sad, angry,  extremely loving will eventually wear him out.  He says it is hard living with someone who is like me 3 out 4 weeks each month,  and that menopause ought to be fun. I tell him that I am going to drag his butt to Dr. Phil and have Dr. Phil tell him I'm not that bad to live with.  He calls it "blackmail" 

My husband does believe my diagnosis and has been overall pretty understanding, but that hasn't stopped him from pushing my buttons when I'm not well.  I have had times when I beg him to stop berating me and he doesn't until he sees me in a pile.  I'm sorry your husband is like this.  You deserve understanding - we all do.  Maybe reading this message board will help...?  Best of luck to you....
 
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March 7, 2006, 10:31 pm PST

...quoting..

     I am getting a little confused when people don't quote both messages if there are two that they are responding to-

Like an original message, a response,
and then they are replying to both of those?

How can I know what someone is responding to...   did I miss a button?

ugh. sorry.

 
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March 7, 2006, 10:32 pm PST

so

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 I am a bipolar II rapid cycler with mixed episodes and dysphoric mania. In other words, I have the worst case scenario for bipolars. I kept with the many many trial and error attempts to find a decent medication regimen and went through intensive outpatient therapy five days a week for three months to get to where I can manage my illness as much as possible. I do have outbursts, but I can now recognize my rages and apologize quickly and I don't fall into abuse. I don't ask or expect anyone to put up with rage, violence, or inappropriate behavior just because 'I didn't ask to be this way.'

On the other hand, I can't manage to concentrate well enough to keep a job, maintain a healthy diet or exercise program, or maintain most friendships. This causes me a lot of pain and feeds into my feelings of worthlessness. I want to be a contributing member of society. I wish Dr. Phil would address the more common (although less dramatic) realities of bipolar, the things that keep us from experiencing life to any degree of fulness, instead of showing bipolar as a disorder for out of control, violent, regularly psychotic individuals.
Everyone thinks they have the worst case in their lives.  It is only as bad as you make it.  There are programs in many communities for folks with mental illness to work less than 40 hrs.   Try volunteering for something.  Anything.   There is no reason for an outburst of anger, bipolar or not.  How long should people have to listen to it?   Do something that you can excel at for short periods of time.   Look for agencies that can provide help with job search, paid or unpaid.  They will give you support and understanding.  Using mental illness as an excuse for nasty behavior only promotes the stigma associated with mental illness.  Be better than that.  Let people see that only the ignorant think the worst.  Be a role model for mental health in a positive fashion.   You can do it.  You live with the crap, now live with the awesome.
 
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March 7, 2006, 10:35 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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Anyone know anything about the drug ecstasy and mood disorders?  Don't think I'm bipolar but always feel like i cant stop arguing, i get depressed, anxious, and stressed out easily.  I did ecstasy maybe 15 times about 7 years ago and wonder how it affected my brain.  TOTALLY DRUG AND ALCHOHOL FREE now for 5 years since i am married and have kids.  I'm a great mom, at least i try my very best. Just did stupid stuff after high school for a few years. 

You could try erowid.org  or  http://bipolar.about.com/cs/dualdiag/a/dual_ecstasy.html
 
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March 7, 2006, 10:39 pm PST

I'm not good at spelling I'm but I want somone else to know what happen to me.

I went through what Maryland calls a gray ins. Where you not using meciade but the doctor gets a certain amount from the state. and you pay$2.00. That was okay at first but she wanted me to go to a nureologist the only way I could do that is to get maryland Medical asst. She keep seeing until the state deneid it . I still had the gray ins. but she would not retrun my calls  she said that I needed to go to nureologist since most people go abcdef and I would go abzdkl.  When I tryed to tell her i had watch Jane Paulia show and that  alot what happen with her was like what happen to me . I remenber when i was about 9 I would get really happy for hours and then just crash.  she did not want to know what happen as a child or teenager. I have also read about crying. this did not start til i had a complete hysterectomy at 33 two days  after that i strated crying and could not stop. that was 1993 that how long i have been taking paxial. I wish there was something else I been on prozac zyban zoloft. I just want find a place were i can be happy for one day and yes I was like the mother on your show thank god i lived with my mother so she was a buffer. still my daughter suffered and now I think she is depressed to but would never admit to it.
 
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March 7, 2006, 10:45 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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Everyone thinks they have the worst case in their lives.  It is only as bad as you make it.  There are programs in many communities for folks with mental illness to work less than 40 hrs.   Try volunteering for something.  Anything.   There is no reason for an outburst of anger, bipolar or not.  How long should people have to listen to it?   Do something that you can excel at for short periods of time.   Look for agencies that can provide help with job search, paid or unpaid.  They will give you support and understanding.  Using mental illness as an excuse for nasty behavior only promotes the stigma associated with mental illness.  Be better than that.  Let people see that only the ignorant think the worst.  Be a role model for mental health in a positive fashion.   You can do it.  You live with the crap, now live with the awesome.
That is true about the worst case.
How long have you been diagnosed?  What work program has been successful for you?
I was the manager of a theater for a couple of years after college until things REALLY started going south. 

This is all after jaunting off to Africa for several months and doing some stupid things.

So, what has worked for your symptoms and such?

I am really having a hard time getting back into working and am really frustrated.  School is difficult too, and I feel like an idiot. Even though I was one of the best students in my last logic course, I really have problems looking at the text now and honestly can't remember the valid truth, valid false, invalid truth... argh.

Brain fry.
I am doing a really small part in a community play though.
It is actually good, because I was having a hard time lately- the cognitive effects of my last meds change were hard on me. Plus a bad run of insomnia is still with me. It was so bad that it was suggested I not drive at one point.

I would love to live with the awesome.
I just can't seem to find a way to pull it out of my ass yet.

 
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March 7, 2006, 10:53 pm PST

I have an 8 1 /2 year old daughter

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I was thrilled to see this topic on the show, and knowing Dr. Phil,  he won't sensastionalize the disorder.   I have been living with this my whole life, my older brother was Bi Polar and ultimately ended his life at the young age of 28.  When my son was diagnosed, by a very trained, highly specialized pyschiatrist almost 2 years ago, I had to become my son's best advocate and learn eveyrthing and more about this disorder in younger children.  I wish Dr. Phil would also show younger people living with bipolar and the effects on the entire family.   

With my son, everyday is a rollercoaster. He has called 911 on his oldest brother for changing the TV station, he has told me I was going to burn in hell, threatened to harm himself and others.  During his Manic periods, the stress level in our home increase aobut 100%.  Our medical expesese are through the roof (and that's just was our HMO won't pay)  

 He was admitted to a children's behavioral center last summer (one of the youngest they've seen), but still every day is a challange. He has a very hard time in school.  He sees a psychiatrist, two psychologists and is on meds.  Without the  meds, life in our home is an utter nightmare.   

My son, has co curring disorders, along with Bi Polar he is also ADHD, which makes for even more challages.  I would not wish this problem on anyone and hope that with educating the public and educators (our school still doesn't "GET IT", they still, after 7 months think he is only ADHD with some "behaviour" problems" even though I've printed out documents from the BiPolar Kids web page for the school!).  It's so unfair not only the person who has to live with this disorder but to their families who  have to deal with ignorance about it on a daily basis.  I had the unfortunate experience last spring of having a mother (whom I thought was a good friend ) report me to CPS about my son, she told the case worker it was munchusin sydrome by proxy and I was pursposely  making my son ill.....what a load of crap.  She has to this day, not apologized for what she did, for the hell she put not just my son, but my other two children, my husband and I through.  The case worker saw all my documentation and the records I keep on all my son's doctor appointments, his meds, and all that, and dismissed the case, but the fall out was horrendous. 

I am hoping with Dr. Phil's show some of the stimga wiill be removed from this disorder.   

Thanks for "listening"  

And keep up the good work Dr. Phil!  I was in the audience on Feb. 23 and loved it!   

  

Mommy to a bipolar 6 year old, Victoria 

  

Dear victoria I wish you would email me I am so tired and frusterated my daughter is being treated for bi-polar and ADHD it is a nightmare, I am just starting out I was wondering if you had the time if we could become email pals and if I could ask questions and talk to you just one on on? thanks!! Cheri sbutterfly321@sbcglobal.net 

 
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