Topic : 08/01 Extreme Highs and Lows

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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 8, 2006, 5:52 am PST

I agree with you

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hey there -  

I just want to say that I am really sorry for what you have been through with your father.  My husband was recently diagnosed with Bipolar II disorder.  As with most bipolar cases, he has gone 10+ years of periodic relief with anti-depressants, only to sink lower the next bout of depression.  There is nothing worse in this life than having to watch someone you love suffer these symptoms and know you can't say a thing to make them feel better.  I know I am very lucky because he is a GREAT man and wants so badly to feel "like himself" again.  With his illness, he is only hateful and mean to himself, so I can't relate to what you have gone through.  I have been doing a lot of research on bipolar though and it seems that, as with anything in life, there are those who choose to play the victim and use their illness to manipulate others and excuse bad behavior.    I don't know your father and I am not an expert on bipolar, but it sounds like he has certainly done that to some extent.   

One very important thing about being a family member of someone with bipolar is that we have to take care of ourselves too.  I want to encourage you (if you have not done so already) to seek some professional help and support.    I know there are organizations that offer help for family members.  Maybe check out www.nami.org or www.dbsalliance.org to see what they offer in your area.  www.healthyplace.com also has some great info for family - in the bipolar community, click support.  Bipolar is a horrible and debilitating illness, but that doesn't mean that you have to put up with abuse from your father.  You have the right to set boundries and to have realistic expectations in any relationship!  And if other members of your family choose to stay and put up with his manipulation, then that's their choice.  I wish you the very best!   

I have two children ages 10 and 9 and I removed them from my bipolar exhusband when they were 6 and 5 for all of the reasons you listed above.  I am deeply sorry he is bipolar and he is n denial and won't get help, but my children are not going to be exposed to any of what you mentioned above and I know it exists because I saw it all.....he continues to get worse, but the kids don't know it......they love their Dad and tell him that and still he won't get help....he just cycles through lifwe getting himself in and out of trouble....I feel sorry for his Mom and Dad, who are also in denial, but they have him living in their home and it must be getting hard for them....too bad when they can get him help......
 
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March 8, 2006, 5:54 am PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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hey there -  

I just want to say that I am really sorry for what you have been through with your father.  My husband was recently diagnosed with Bipolar II disorder.  As with most bipolar cases, he has gone 10+ years of periodic relief with anti-depressants, only to sink lower the next bout of depression.  There is nothing worse in this life than having to watch someone you love suffer these symptoms and know you can't say a thing to make them feel better.  I know I am very lucky because he is a GREAT man and wants so badly to feel "like himself" again.  With his illness, he is only hateful and mean to himself, so I can't relate to what you have gone through.  I have been doing a lot of research on bipolar though and it seems that, as with anything in life, there are those who choose to play the victim and use their illness to manipulate others and excuse bad behavior.    I don't know your father and I am not an expert on bipolar, but it sounds like he has certainly done that to some extent.   

One very important thing about being a family member of someone with bipolar is that we have to take care of ourselves too.  I want to encourage you (if you have not done so already) to seek some professional help and support.    I know there are organizations that offer help for family members.  Maybe check out www.nami.org or www.dbsalliance.org to see what they offer in your area.  www.healthyplace.com also has some great info for family - in the bipolar community, click support.  Bipolar is a horrible and debilitating illness, but that doesn't mean that you have to put up with abuse from your father.  You have the right to set boundries and to have realistic expectations in any relationship!  And if other members of your family choose to stay and put up with his manipulation, then that's their choice.  I wish you the very best!   

I think we need to remember that everyone and their families experiences the illness differently. As with any group of people, generalizations are really unfair.
 
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March 8, 2006, 6:01 am PST

Bi-Polar and those around them

My sister was diagnosed as Manic-Depressed after 20 years of a roller-coaster lifestyle that took her  family and friends with her.  Truth be told.....it was harder on her family than it was on her.  When she was on the straight and narrow, she held a job, lived on her own, and then decided that she was cured and stopped taking her medicine.  Then the high..........debts, job loss, weight gain.  Then soon after, the inevitable "crash".  Regrets, tears, pit of despair.  My parents would rush in, clean up her mess and ready the world for her next appearance.  She would emerge from the hospital....hopeful, confident and ready to start all over.  They would be worn down with worry and financial woes.  Then it would start all over!   

  

The major reason for all all this?  She would self diagnose and decide on her own that she didn't need the medications.  You could ask her if she was taking her medicine and she would look you in the eye and lie every time.  As soon as she started laughing too loud, everyone would brace themselves.   

  

From my experience, the family and friends of the "bi-polar" person suffers much more than they ever do. 

 
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March 8, 2006, 6:01 am PST

Brain Scanning

Has anyone experienced the brain scanning mentioned in the show?  Please email me with info on this as we are desperate to convince my bipolar ex he has this illness (he has been professionally diagnosed) before he hurts himself...Thanks for your help/  debclark412@cox.net
 
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March 8, 2006, 6:03 am PST

in the genes

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        Is Bi-Polar hereditary? We can trace it back several generations in the family. 

Hi, I heard a couple of years ago that scientists have located a gene for bipolar disorder  And that it can be passed down.  I believe my grandmother was bipolar and I have the disorder as well. 
 
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March 8, 2006, 6:05 am PST

bi-polar people

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Take it from someone who knows..............This is a road that only the person afflicted can hoe. You can push her into a hospital but 9 out of 10 times your Loving gesture will just be resented. Ive had many family members of BP patients ask advice and I tell them in MY case my family did me a great favor by allowing me to take care of me in the best way possible with the tools I had. Bit by bit I got stronger. Its a great deal like allowing the achoholic to hit bottom......but in this case if there are kids then as my family did......keep an eye. You have no idea how much a small word of kindness can heal. Also I sugest YOU go to support groups, learn from a DBSA group first hand by their storys. They also have a fabu;ous group for families. 

  

http://www.dbsalliance.org/ 

  

http://bphope.com/ 

  

I'll Light a candle for you and ALL the families here. 

Blessed Be 

Namaste 

Tam 

Take it from someone who knows.....she will be as bad as everyone around her allows her to be.  If limits are not set and held, she will test them (like a small child will) constantly.  We all have highs and lows, but a few have no breaks to control them. 
 
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March 8, 2006, 6:06 am PST

electric shock therapy

I wrote about my son-in-laws having electric shock therapy, and noone responded.  I just want to know if this is a legitimate treatment.  I have my doubts.  Please give me some answers. 

  

 
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March 8, 2006, 6:15 am PST

Not sure what to do

Apologize for the poor spelling.  I am dyslexsic.

  

 

 

  

 

I was diagnosed with Bi-polar when I was hospitalized several years ago.  I went to my internist and told him that I was severely depressed, could not sleep, and was concerned about my drinking as well.  A broken engagement, 2 parents (divorced), who had died after 4 1/2 years of suffering.  I was the only one to take care of them.

  

 

 

  

 

 My doctor, sent my to a shrink, who admitted me to the mental unit in the hospital.  My excessive talking and unclear thinking, led him to believe that I am bi-polar.  After release from the hospital, I saw him for about 2 1/2 years.  I have been on various medications, over the years.  In the beginning they helped with sleep.  Then, they no longer helped for sleep.

  

 

 

  

 

Having always worried about my weight (yet I am of normal weight), I landed up in 1 month on the last medication going from 102 lbs. to 139 lbs. Being 5'2" and petite, this was not acceptable to me.  Weight gain, made me totally miserable and depressed.  Ironically, my shrink, said I seemed well.  I in formed him that I was in misery, and depressed.

  

 

 

  

 

I am not even sure the type of bi-polar I am.  I wish I had the 'happies' supposedly associated with the manic state.  Sadly, my mania manifests in various upsetting ways.  Difficulty in concentrating, racing mind, coupled with the need to 'catch' up on the things I have ignored and neglected.  Back in 'reality', I feel the need to take care of neglected matters immediately.  I start one thing, and then remember other things that require attention as well.   I often can rush around to the point of forgetting what I was about to do.  Starting and stopping too many things at once, and feeling overwhelmed.

  

 

 

  

 

I found that the shrink did not help. 

  

 

  

 

I had a great therapist.  She helped me with my OCD (obsessive compulsive).   I have a fear of fire.  My OCD manifested itself in my repeatedly checking the stove top. My therapist helped me get a control of the OCD.  She had me learn to calm myself down, by stopping everything, and breathing and clearing my mind. 

  

 

 

  

 

Primarily, it is the constant feeling of anxiety that really does me in.  I feel anxious, nervous, and fearful most days, and almost in all endeavors.  After 9/11 (I worked by the World Trade Center ), I felt constant fear.  I still suffer from it to a lesser degree.  For several years, I was terrified to travel anywhere.   Frankly, I did not want to leave the house.   I still suffer from it to a lesser degree.

  

 

 

  

 

My therapist, made me force myself to leave the house, in ‘baby steps’, going further away from home, taking the subway, as I always had.  Eventually, I took a distant trip via Amtrak.  I am doing pretty well with the traveling now.  I would even take a trip via an airplane now.  I am sure with anxiety.  But, I would be OK.  The belief that I will be OK traveling makes a huge difference.  I accept that I will always have more anxiety that other people, without my mental health issues.  And, that is OK.  As long as I feel in control, rather than the disease controlling me, I feel OK with accepting my mental illness.   

  

 

  

 

 I could no longer afford the therapist.  I lost my job, and am still unemployed.  I feel I do need therapy.  I wish that there was a place for free, or minimal cost therapy.  I do not know of any such options available.   

  

 

 

  

 

Currently, my sleep is OK.  I use the over the counter unisom or sominex.   That seems to do the trick.

  

 

 

  

 

I stopped taking the bi-polar medications, as I felt they ultimately did not help me.

  

 

 

  

 

I would consider, reluctantly being on meds again.... if there was one that did not add on weight.

  

 

 

  

 

Any suggestions on how I can find out what type of bi-polar I have?  Should I contact the hospital? 

  

 

 

  

 

Suggestions are welcomed. 

  

 

  

 

P.S. My nephew (7 years) has Asberger syndrome.  I wonder, if this is related to my bi-polar problems. 

  

 

 
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March 8, 2006, 6:16 am PST

Stupid is as stupid does

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  I was diagnosed with manic depression 7-8 years ago. My doctor wanted me to see a "shrink" to see if my problem was really bi-polar disease.  I didn't have the time or the money to keep seeing this doctor. I did NOT like the meds because they made me someone else "zombie Like" . 

  Now Im 26 years old and I hate my day to day life. I have highs and lows. And once I notice my high, I just want to cry. This hyper feeling is very intense and the feelings are equally matched during the Lows, depressive or Rage/Anger.  I have not been diagnosed bi polar, but, why does it take so long to diagnose it.? Why do the medicines destroy your authentic self.?  If left untreated, why does it get worse.?   

  

  

  

  I can see why doctors use to think people with mental issues were possesed and put into asylums.  I feel like such a dumb ass. Am I really this stupid that I cannot control my thoughts and actions.  I know I dont want to yell  and scream, but I cant stop myself anymore. Im tired of fighting it and I think now Im definitley losing this battle.  Luckily Im going to see a doctor in a few days.  Again why does it take sooo long to diagnose Bi polar disorder?   I just want control over my actions and thoughts. At times I feel "normal" and at other times I feel like someone else. 

  

   

 
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March 8, 2006, 6:16 am PST

Keep a mood journal

Alot of people are questioning whether they or someone they know has bipolar disorder. I know for me that I had questioned being bipolar to my ex-psychiatrist and she said that I didn't have the "highs".  Therefore, I was not accurately diagnosed until some years later. I had been treated for depressions and that's what all the professionals thought I had, but the depression would never get better for long.  Sometimes I would be "fine", able to perform well at my job and school, Take an interest in things.  Feel like my brain was working.  I wouldn't report any of this to my doctors because I felt that I was "normal" or "cured" and I would only report the depression and the crashes.  Therefore, no one was getting an accurate picture of my moods.   

It wasn't until a short while ago that my therapist had me chart my moods.  Basically, you write about how you are feeling, what your mood is like day to day.  What you have been doing and so on, and then bring it with you to your doctors and therapist.  I found from my mood journal that I had alot of ups and downs and it was able for me to see a pattern to my mood swings. 

You can also write up a chart for feelings---sadness, anxious, angry, happy, etc. and score them with 1 being a little to 5 being alot of how you feel with each emotion.  You can also chart if you had felt suicidal or wanted to abuse substances.  Anyways, it's worth a shot to bring up to your treatment team or to have a loved one try to track their moods. This way, it gives a pretty accurate description of peoples' moods.......I know that for me being accurately diagnosed finally, I've been able to have a more stable life because I'm on the "right" meds. (mood stabilizers) Good luck......... 

 
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