Topic : 08/01 Extreme Highs and Lows

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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 8, 2006, 8:41 am PST

Prayer can be a complimentary treatment

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This kind of thinking is scary!  My son was born with bipolar disorder!  Nothing happened to him in his life to cause it.  We knew something wasn't right at birth.  He exercises, eats right, comes from a 2 parent home and goes to church.  To say that God can cure him is ridiculous.  Does reading the bible also cure heart disease? 

I am not suggesting the people who are BiPolar go off their meds, or stop their treatment.  But there are many complimentary treatments that go along with medication and counselling.  For me prayer and spirtuality helped me a great deal in my life, along with exercise and a healthy diet.  Just as with any other disease, complimentary treatments are worth looking into
 
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March 8, 2006, 8:47 am PST

Clarification

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This kind of thinking is scary!  My son was born with bipolar disorder!  Nothing happened to him in his life to cause it.  We knew something wasn't right at birth.  He exercises, eats right, comes from a 2 parent home and goes to church.  To say that God can cure him is ridiculous.  Does reading the bible also cure heart disease? 

Newsflash: "Reading the Bible DOES NOT cure bipolar after all!"  I read it cover-to-cover twice, but I still have bipolar!  Darn it! Does the original author really think that you can fix an illness with a book?  Fortunately, reading the bible does help cure some, even serious forms of more harmful diseases called "stupidity" and "ignorance".  I am a very religious person, and God made me the way he wants me to be.  He made me for a reason, and he has a purpose for me that suits his will and not yours!  Through me and other people, Bipolar or not, God does wonderful things that will help to build others up and strengthen their faith in His power.  Maybe that is a concept that the original author can find in their Bible, or else they had better buy a new one. 

Thanks for allowing me to vent, but I honestly could not be quiet! 

Smile! 

~Sunshine~ 

 
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March 8, 2006, 8:47 am PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

After reading the previous messages, I wanted to put my two cents in.  I agree that Bi-Polar disorder is the most difficult and devastating thing in my life now.   

  

It is quite difficult to diagnose and even harder to treat.  What others don't understand is that Bi-Polar disorder is incredibly difficult when you treat one side of the illness like depression with medication that is controling that aspect of the illness can often times agrivate the other side, the mania.  This applies both ways.  So you see, control one side of the cycle and amplify the other. 

  

In effect, sometimes the medications are tortuious!!  It's like they rip you in half.  Another thing is that the time that you cycle (swing from depression to mania to depression) can be weeks, months or even hours or minutes. 

  

Then there are the different types of strengths of mania and hypo mania.  Others around you think you just have a bad attitude or a hot head or are irresponsible with finances.  It can be completely disasterous!  It not only affects work, work relationships, finances but most importantly your family who normally is completely baffled as to why you act the way you do. 

  

Lastly, there is treatment.  I've been misdiagnosed since early college years (10 years plus).  I've "accomplished" many things, one benefit from mania, lots of energy.  But now, my body, mind and spirit are completely exhausted.  It would be like driving an automobile in fifth gear for 10 years or more without any rest.  Eventually, it takes an enormous physiological tole on the human body.   

  

Then there is the enormous battle with insurance.  Since leaving my job in April 2003, my insurance has "degraded" over the years covering less and less.  So now I'm put in a precarious position.  See my doctors, cut back on doctors, pick and choose medication.  Last year alone, I spent almost 20% of my NET income on doctors and medications ALONE! 

  

So for the families out there who have loved ones with this disorder, have patience. 
Try to see past the illness and see the ones you love.  Recognize the serious nature this disorder is and they need you now more than ever in their life!!   

 
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March 8, 2006, 8:47 am PST

suggestions?

I have long time been diagnosed with depression, but more recently the diagnosis was correctly changed to bi-polar. And I am deeply aware of all the effects of bi-polar. But the issue isn't so much mine . My boyfriends brother was recently diagnosed with bi-polar , after we finally convinced him to go to a Dr. He recently moved in with my boyfriend and myself after being evicted from his apartment. He is a talented musician, but has trouble holding a job, and has a drinking problem. He's been giving stuff away, and talkes about living in a van and driving across country, or just taking off to somewhere far away (sounds like dropping off the face of the planet to me). These tendancies sound very suicidal to me and they scare me. even if he's not consciously suicidal it sounds like he's quickly moving in that direction. After the Dr. diagnosed him, he said great thanks doc, see ya. I think he does believe he has the disease, but does not seem to believe in medication or want to see a therapist (even though we're willing to pay for it). It doesn't help that his family is very anit-medication (I have trouble with my boyfriend you seems to think medication is a conspiracy to create a need by the drug companies- idiot ,I know) any way- this is his brother, and his mother is no better. We're pretty sure his father committed suicide after a long time illness. and my friend believes he is much like his father and destined to carry out his fathers legacy-(suicide included?). This is an extrmely intelligent man. I'm smart too, but when you try to have a conversation with him, he can philisophically rationally anything-well. He has such logical, well thought out justicications for suicide, for not taking medications, or seeing a docter.. His state really scares me. He doesn't seem to want any help, (except room and board). I know sometimes it takes bottoming out before someone accepts help. But what if his bottoming out is suicide. What do I do? His brother and I are scared that there is nothiing else we can do but watch him disintigrate. We could really use some suggestions. Anyone?
 
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March 8, 2006, 8:53 am PST

Hallelujiah

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Newsflash: "Reading the Bible DOES NOT cure bipolar after all!"  I read it cover-to-cover twice, but I still have bipolar!  Darn it! Does the original author really think that you can fix an illness with a book?  Fortunately, reading the bible does help cure some, even serious forms of more harmful diseases called "stupidity" and "ignorance".  I am a very religious person, and God made me the way he wants me to be.  He made me for a reason, and he has a purpose for me that suits his will and not yours!  Through me and other people, Bipolar or not, God does wonderful things that will help to build others up and strengthen their faith in His power.  Maybe that is a concept that the original author can find in their Bible, or else they had better buy a new one. 

Thanks for allowing me to vent, but I honestly could not be quiet! 

Smile! 

Sunshine 

agree 100%. couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for taking the innitiative.
 
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March 8, 2006, 8:54 am PST

Good Examples, Please!

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I totally agree with you, I am afraid that my friends and co-workers will think that I am like the guest on the show yesterday.
There are so many examples of people with Bipolar who have worked their behinds off to get better, and lead very productive fullfilling lives!  Why not celebrate these people and show that with determination and hope, it can be done!
 
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March 8, 2006, 9:01 am PST

thank you.

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Hey Gang, I thought I posted a message last night on the boards but I don't see it. 

  

Just wanted to mention that some people who are diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder are finding they have a thyroid problem, once the correct thyroid tests are run: 

  

FREE T3 

FREE T4 

TSH 

THYROID PEROXIDASE (TPO) 

and ANTITHYROGLOBULIN 

  

The TSH alone can be inaccurate and very misleading.  

  

There is a lot of good info at the thyroid connection to psychiatric problems at: 

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/myxedema-craziness/ 

  

You will find some good articles on the connection: 

  

Thyroid Hormone and Bipolar Patients 

http://www.satevepost.org/issues/2005/0708/7370468.shtml 

A world-renowned expert on bipolar disorder discusses the latest research demonstrating that thyroid hormone can have a positive and profound effect on mood in bipolar patients. 

  

Bipolar Link with Thyroid Condition 

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-06/uopm-rzi061405.php 

  

Thyroid and Bipolar Disorder 

http://www.psycheducation.org/thyroid/introduction.htm 

  

I hope this info helps someone. 

Cathy 

cathy_bdd_mom@yahoo.com 

that was so very very helpful, thank you. I've been concerned lately my hypothyroidism wasn't being treated properly lately. Those are excellent sources to find out. thank you.
 
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March 8, 2006, 9:40 am PST

Bipolar Typre II Mom and pregnancy

I was so happy Dr Phil was able to shed light on this disease.  I was diagnosed with this illness 4 years ago, after the birth of my third son.  I believe I have suffered with this problem since adolescence but was simply labeled as a moody person.  Since being diagnosed, by a wonderful psychiatrist, I have been on sooo many medications.  

  

 My psychiatrist is very current and knowledgeable regarding all meds, both new and old, used to treat this illness.   I do still suffer from highs and lows but my physician is usually able to bring me down from an extreme high or help pull me out of an extreme low.   I say usually because my success is often associated with my compliance with medications.  Like many other people who suffer from bipolar type II, when I start feeling good, I feel that medications are no longer required.  I have been hospitalized 4 times in the past 4 years.   

  

Unlike Cathy, on the show, my angry outburst are not expressed outwardly to others but internalized and result in self harm.  Although I must admit I have smashed many things around the house during my rages.  I am currently on seroquel which seems to be keeping my moods stable, but I do have a problem.  

  

I will be getting pregnant within the next two months (by ivf) and am worried about how this will affect my illness.  My psychiatrist is not too happy about my decision to have another child but I have three sons and desperately want a girl.  Prior to my last visit with my psychiatrist two weeks ago, I was taking CYMBALTA, TOPOMAX, and SEROQUEL.  I stopped the cymbalta and topomax in order to clean out my system before getting pregnant.   My psychiatrist advised me to keep taking the seroquel while I was pregnant, despite it being a CLASS C medication.  He feels this possible risks to the fetus are less than the risk I pose to myself when off medications.  From past experiences, when I am off medications my cycling becomes out of control.  I do not want to continue taking this medication because of its unknown effects on a developing fetus.  There are not many options for different medications as I have tried most of the drugs and seem to have success only with seroquel or cymbalta.    

  

Does anyone have any suggestions. At this point I I am going to stop taking the seroquel, take my chances and hope for the best. 

 
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March 8, 2006, 9:41 am PST

new at this and just want some advice

  Hi everyone, I have never written on these before.I am in need of advice and maybe a friend. I am 25 I have 3 boys and a boyfriend.I am very unhappy.I hate my life I just want to scream,yell,cry, and forget the world.I am lonely and full of anger and rage. My boyfriend and I are very cruel to each other. We call each other terrible names cut each other down. We are each others judge,jury, and prosecuter. There are o.k. days but none are wonderful. I related to the woman on this show because I feel like she does. I go from being happy to instantly full of rage and anger and start screaming and yelling. I dont work I am trying to find a jobso get out of my house. I have no friends and noone to talk to. Does anyone have any advice?  

  

 
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March 8, 2006, 9:51 am PST

Like Watching my Family Home Movies

I am 52 years old and my mother was/is bipolar. She is almost 76 years old and also has a life long history of subatance abuse. (both alcohol and drugs) Watching this show was like watching my own family home movies.  I have never seen another human being act like my mother before and I cried  for Cathy's children, knowing all to well the hell that they endure on a daily basis!  

  

My mother began abusing me as early as 8 months old. According to my dad, I would cry when she tried to pick me up and attempt to push her away with my little hands. Of course, I don't remember this, but I don't remember a time that I was not afaid of her. My abuse was mental, physical, verbal and emotional.  

  

I don't ever remember my mother being kind to me as a child or as an adult. I have grown up with her telling me that she "hated my guts", "wished I was never born", and "wished I was dead"! Since she was/is also bulimic, her favorite punishment was to vomit in a pot ( using toilet paper as a throat tickler) and then rub the vomit in my face until I gagged and vomited.  Also, she hit me, slapped me and pulled me by my hair across the floor when she would catch me running from her by my grabbing my hair.   

  

My dad, for lack of balls, just chose to look the other way as she abused me and since he had to work, he assigned me as her primary caregiver. I grew up running from her when she was sober and on a rampage to picking her up off the floor when she would pass out drunk and or on drugs. My dad had no one else and we had to keep our dirty family secret hidden from everyone! It was just my job to take care of my abusive mother. I learned to look forward to her drunkeness because  when she was passed out was the only time I was safe.  

  

My dad has enabled alot of my mother's behavior by always keeping her well supplied in both alcohol and drugs. Like I learned, the only time he had any peace was when she was uncontious. Over the years,  various health professionals have been all too happy to write scripts for tranqs, narcotics and barbituates to keep her down! 

  

My mother has been under psychiatric care since 1960, been is various mental hospitals and been treated with shock therapy numerous times.  Most of her therapy has just to keep her as placated with drugs as possible so she would not hurt herself or others. It wasn't until about 4 or 5 years ago that an actual diagnoses was made of bipolor.  She has threatened suicide since I was very young. My dad has told me that he had to wrestle a gun from her when I was a baby when she threatened to kill herself and me.   

  

As early as 4 years old, she would tell me that she was going to blow her brains out and leave a note telling my dad that it was all my fault and then he would hate me as much as she did.  She has cirhosis from alcohol abuse when I was 9 years old and almost died. She was hospitalized for 3 months and had exploratory surgery because she and my dad did not tell the doctor about her history of drug and alcohol abuse. If she had died at the moment in time, I would have had not one pleasant memory of my mother.  

  

She will not take her meds as directed and prefers to take all the tranqs, sleeping pills, anti-psychotics in one swoop at night. She has no fear of drugs and actually likes to be one breath from death. This past November, she almost died on a drug overdose.  She has had several psychiatrist over the years and not one has been able to help her and I believe this is due to the fact that she doesn't want to be helped. She likes the drugs and she likes the attention!  

  

Over the years, the majority of my mother's venom has been spewed at me and her violence aimed at me, but now my dad is also her victim. My dad takes several painkillers due to his own physical ailments and my mother will take every opportunity to steal his drugs. Because he is now more frail than she is, (confined to a wheel chair) she is abusing him as well.  She lies and she steals and will swear to GOD that she did not do it. 

  

My parents are middle class people and the police are called both by me and my dad to handle my mother on a regular basis over the years.  My mother will use anything as a weapon  ( knife, telephone handset) and make threats to us, others and herself.  

  

My dad has never allowed me to escape this situation. He has always depended on me to help him with my mother and even after I married ( the day I escaped Hell) he continued to call me and give me up to the minute updates on my mother's threat, acts of violence! Unfortunately, my husband and I only lived a few minutes away.  

  

Today, I find myself in the position as both my dad's and my mother's caregiver. My life is a living nightmare with monthly hospitalizaions for one or both of them!  They both are in diapers and if it were not for the Medicare provided health care workers that are provided after each hospitalizaion, I don't think I could continue. This situation is stressful for both my husband and I and our teenage daughter.  

  

To be totally honest, after all the abuse that she has heaped on me for 52 years,  I have no love for my mother and all that I do, I do for my dad. He is afraid of my mother and he always pretends that he is helpless to do anything about this Hell! He has lived with this woman since 1949! She will raise hell with him and he will call me to protect him and when I arrive and shake my finger at her and tell her to leave him alone, he turns on me to prevent her from being mad at him! Needless to say, my mother jerks my dad's leash and he in turn, jerks my leash! My mother is crazy, but she is crazy like a fox and is a master manipulator. ( I used the word crazy because more than one psychiatrist has also used that term when tallking about my mother!) 

  

I was able to raise my own daughter with love and kindness. I've never abused her and she is the light of my life! Breaking this cycle of abuse was not difficult for me and it is nothing that I had to work at! I just love her and I have never had the desire to hurt her.  

  

My mother's actions have prevented my dad from having much contact with his own grand daughter because I did not and do not like my daughter to be in the same room with her. I never allowed my mother to even hold my daughter when she was a baby for fear that she would hurt her.  My mother is incapable of loving anyone or any thing other than her drugs and she has proven that time and time again over my 52 years of knowing her.  

  

The show on bipolor yeasterday gave me no hope that my mother will ever be any better, but some how it helped to see that just maybe she can't control herself when she hurts me and my dad! I can't ever forget the pain and anguish that this situation has caused me and I know that I will never forget.  

  

Hopefully, Cathy and others will benefit from new treatments and will seek help and not destroy the lives of their children. I hope it is not too late for Cathy's sons to find peace because it is the children who suffer.  

 
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