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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 8, 2006, 9:58 am PST

Thank you for the input....

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 Your son was diagnosed at 4?  Wow, that is pretty early.  From my understanding it much less commmon infor an onset in young children than in adolescents and young adults.  Given the strong family history though, it does not sound like a strange thing in your case.   I'm curious....are they using the anti-psychotic as a mood stabilizer or was he actually having psychotic episodes?

Also if he was having psychotic episodes did the Dr.s do a test for schizoprenia?  They can be linked disorders.  In the future (especially in the teen years) I would advise you to watch for symptoms of schizoprenia(for example extreme paranoia or butterfly speech), it's always good to be cautious.  

Ask your Dr. if there is any research about diet and the symptoms of bi-polar disorder.  It might also help to monitor his behavior  as indicators of his moods and record them in a journal if you can by day  (make sure to note any changes).  Be sure to discuss your findings with all of his Dr.s and psychologists ,. if there are any changes that seen odd to you let them know right away.

Good Luck

 I actually havne't watched the show yet it's on the TIVO.  But yes, 4 is very young, but from the research I've done along with the help of my son's medical team, it's not so much that's it young it's that it is often misdiagnosed as another disorder. 

  

Currently he takes Risperdal, Trileptal, paxil, and to help him sleep clonidine.  The risperdal is the "antipsychotic" (god I hate that word!)  And for a while last summer he was having a lot of paranoia, and actually being just, well, not 'normal'.  He was threatening to harm himself, burn me or (and this a direct quote from a 5 year old) "hang me on the cross like Jesus til I died". he has pulled knives on me, called 911 on my step son, and just gone into rages over something as trivial (to a non bipolar person) as not being able to tie his shoes.   

His current medical team is awesome, and I am always open to new things and research (taken with a grain of salt on some!) 

Because he is also ADD it's very hard on the family, and of course especially my son. 

I just am hoping he will be able to acheive all his goals and dreams and that being diagnosed won't affect his future for college.   

thanks for your kind words.   

Victoria 

 

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March 8, 2006, 10:01 am PST

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Dear Cathy: 

No doubt you have survived because of your hope.  I know that the hardest thing in life is mothering.  The fact that your children are still alive proves that your  are not that bad of a mother.  You cannot judge yourself  on the same scale as mothers that do not have bi-polar.  Your rage is from within and many people do not understand the power and strength of the anger that you are trying to manage.    It is very scary to go on television and admit to your behavior.  Many bi-polar people are thankful for your courage.   

Of course I am talking from experience.  My child, as far as I was concerned was bi-polar from birth.  By the time the family came out of denial, she was in her teens and then the doctors would not diagnose her because of the hormones.   

It was only because of a conversation I had with a neighbour who was a nurse in a mental health hospital, that I was able to convey to the psychologist who had been seeing my daughter (17 years old) at the time that she reached one of many of her  rock bottoms that this was not only a teenager that had to grow up but that  I suspected bi-polar.  He then ask for a family history.  Sure enough many relatives had suffered depressions and they were uninformed that if they were taking certain medication - they were being treated for bi-polar.  My daughter is 20 years old.  She left home at 13 years old.  Despite the fact that she was changed schools and homes every 8 weeks for 2 years nobody could really help her.  Her lucid moments are very few.  I cannot live with her.  I have many walls, and doors that have been busted by her in a rage.  She has broken many telephones by throwing them at me. 

Bottom line, is if she does not take her medication - she cannot live with me.  A friend of mine would not understand what I was living with but one day she was subjected to a bi-polar rage and she could not believe her eyes.  Bi-polars have extremely abusive behavior.  My daughter has burnt out many teachers, social workers, grandparents, me and her friends. 

I just want you to know that I do have hope for you.  I know that you are in the best of hands and Dr. Phil has fantastic professionals who are accountable.  Thus, congratulations ahead of time, for you will be successful in managing your drugs and your disease.  You are a very dear person.  Hang in there.   

  

You deserve to enjoy and live a peaceful life and I am sure the rest of your life will be enjoyable. 

  

God bless ya!   

  

 
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March 8, 2006, 10:02 am PST

Bipolar II

My mother was an undiagnosed Bipolar II. She died two weeks ago, still angry, confused and lonely. I grew up during a time when psychotherapy carried a terrible stigma. My family whispered about my mother needing to be "institutionalized", but it never happened. I grew up in a household much like the one portrayed on the Dr. Phil Show. My mother would fly into a rage at the drop of a hat and say and do terribly abusive things to all of us. She also went through two marriages and managed to alienate her children and grandchildren with her rages and abuse. It got worse as she got older. I walked away from her when I was 22 years old as she came to the point where she was stalking me and trying to hurt me. I have grown up with a tendency to depression and anxiety. It has markedly affected my adult life. When I heard that my mother had died, I was actually relieved that she wouldn't be able to harm me and the family any longer. I became a psychotherapist as I wanted very much to understand her rapid cycling, her rages, the physical, emotional and mental abuse. I wish that someone had intervened in my family to help her children. Nobody did. I'm glad that Dr. Phil is making sure that the guest's children are being separated from her until she gets the help she needs. I also hope that he is arranging for therapy for the boys. They surely need it. 

I have worked in psychiatric hospitals where other Bipolar patients are being treated and can say that they need to remain on medication for life. There is no cure. I wish both of Dr. Phil's guests and their families all the best. 

 
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March 8, 2006, 10:04 am PST

LOOKING FOR HELP!

I am a single mother of 3 kids... ages 6, 10, and 17. My 10 year old son is finally in the process of being treated for a "mood disorder", but we are still in the trial and error process of properly diagnosing  "what" exactly he has. The more I study bipolar, the more I believe this is what my son has. He has tried prozac, wellbutrin, zyprexa, and the latest was Depakote. His psychiatrist and counselor have taken him off the Depakote just recently, as this aggravated his symptoms of out of control anger episodes and extreme irritability. I am working with the psychiatrist and his counselor, but am also trying to learn and research as much as I can on my own. This " disorder " truly is tearing my family apart. I am extremely worried and scared for my son, as nothing has seem to help as of yet. I would be eternally gratefull for any suggestions of the best web sites to go to to further research this disease and it's related disorders. Thank you so much for anything anyone may have to offer!!!
 
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March 8, 2006, 10:06 am PST

Tip of the iceberg

 WOW!   Well this program was a start.  I would like to see as much attention paid to this illness as is divorce or infidelity.    A full week forum would be a GOOD start.  There are so many things that need to be addressed about  BiPolar/Manic -depression such as how to get the proper diagnosis, the side effects of the meds and how to know when the meds have stopped working,  support of the person with the illness and support for those family members, friends and employers/co-workers of a person with this illness, support groups.

I have a son aged 37 who was diagnosed several years ago.  It has been hell for everyone.  He knows the importance of taking his meds and has had to change them serveral times as his body  gets used to each one.  He is experiencing the side effects of the meds.  He stays gainfully employed.  He is in a relationship that is stressed by his behavior and has an eight year old daughter.  He has expectations of how people should live and quite willing to express himself.  He is rude, arrogant, argumentative.  He says things that hurt others feelings and has no remorse about.  He states that if feelings are hurt then he must have touched something that the person needs to work on.  People that he has worked with fear his behavior and he likes the power that gives him, yet becomes angry when people walk on eggshells around him.   On the good side he works on recognizing things that set him off and is doing his best to avoid/eliminate them from his environment.  One of those things seems to be his relationship with me.  We have had no contact since December 24, 2005 although we live 20 miles apart.  This also means that I have not seen my granddaughter since then.  His girl friend (mother of my granddaughter)states that they do not even discuss his relationship with me because he becomes so upset.  Even though I know it is part of the illness, there is still pain and loss.   There are two things-1- he blames me for his being born and 2-I do not fit his illusion of the perfect mother.  Another thing that goes on is that he has perceptions of memories of things that have happened in his life that his father, step mother and I do not remember. 

For those of you with this illness, I send you love.  To the families, I send hope.  We all need more information and support to win this battle and control this illness.

To Dr. Phil, 
Please expand the information on this illness to be totally inclusive of everything related to it.  We all need to know how to recognize, treat and live with this illness.

Linda in Littleton


 
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March 8, 2006, 10:08 am PST

i am so sorry...

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hopefully someone out there is going Thur the same thing our family is i have three grown children and am at my Witt's end with the youngest .he has always been difficult to manage and talk too at an early age he was diagnosed with dyslexia and ADHD and was medicated with adderal .when he turned 17 our nightmare began. he quit school. evaded the police on a four wheeler led them on a two hour chase was apprehended. and didn't have any regrets as to what he had done ,through the legal system he was placed on probation for a year ,he then decided he was not going to take his meds .we suffered a house fire that started in his room and lost all we had .then his father my husband was diagnosed with a incurable untreatable disease called IBM .he began to have episodes of total rage. actually punching holes in the walls .denting steel doors .then the next half hour he was laughing and joking.this is when the coaster from heck started .his Father due to his health condition could not control our son at all during these episodes .i took  my son too out family Doctor who said he was depressed and prescribed effoxor .he took it for a couple weeks and was consolable.then decided he didn't want to take it any more. the rage episodes came back quickly .then he lost three of his best friends in a auto accident .and began being depressed 

his then girlfriend also best friends with the three that were killed .left my son for the sole survivor of the crash and his best friend. my son then began daily rage and depressed episodes . finally over coming the depression with the help of a new girlfriend whose boyfriend has also died in the crash . i thought my son was healing he got a job a vehicle and was turning around, when in march last year another one of his friends were killed in auto accident . his grandfather went in to hospital for surgery then unexpectedly died ,his great grandfather in June whom lived with us was diagnosed with terminal cancer . my son got into more legal trouble we had to hire an attorney this time which was quite expensive for drug charges . in October my son was present when my grandfather took his last breath  and in October my son was arrested again and began a self destruct lifestyle . he lost forty seven pounds wouldn't eat or drink tried to harm him self by flipping his truck.  we had to call the police and try to seek him some mental health.  at the hospital after the police took him there he told the ER doctor he had no reason to live and wanted to be with his friends that died. we were sent to a private mental health facility .and he was prescribed remeron to aid him in his sleep and to eat ..that lasted two weeks ..his current girlfriend then announced she was pregnant.and he seemed happy ..he was arrested again for harassment of the ex girlfriend by telephone ..why he was still in contact with her i don't know ..after another one of his rage episodes his girlfriend said the baby may not be his ..he was on the phone to her when he purposely wrecked his truck and fled the scene trying to wreck truck again .the police were called and came to the house.. we were told to bring son to the troop which seemed odd to me.. but now i know his girlfriend called police and said he was trying to hurt himself the police called crisis team in to speak to my son ..and every time he talks to these mental health people he lies and tells them what they want to hear he agreed that night he would come home with us.. and would go to mental clinic in the morning and was given eight tickets for the accidents even the police officer giving him the tickets didn't think he understood what had happened ..and he had no clue as to what he did with his truck ..after leaving the police station he became raged and jumped out the back window of our truck and said he was running into road to kill himself i called 911 and they caught up with him three miles down the road ..he was taken into custody and crisis team called back out this time ..they assured me he was going to ER and would be admitted we followed them to ER signed him in the police signed  and the crisis team ..i left there with my son screaming after me it was the hardest thing any mother would have to go.. Thur but i had to tell myself he would finally get the help he needed .i cried all the way home finally exhausted we got into bed at 1 am ..and tried to sleep and prayed for god to help my son.. when the phone rang at 4 am it was my son saying he had been release.. after explaining to him i could not come get him he placed the new ER doctor on the phone who said he was indeed released ..and he was never taken to mental clinic i asked the Doctor what would happen if i didn't come get him he said he would still be release ..i explained to him that this child tried to wreck his truck jumped out of a moving vehicle unto the highway  ..and he was releasing him i told the Doctor i was furious.. and would hold him responsible if anything happened to my son ...i have called clinics mental health therapist and physciatist all have a two week to six month waiting list .he is being seen this Thursday but he will not tell the doctor the truth i needed to vent to someone and if there any one else out there going Thur this too please email any help would be appreciated  

I am so sorry for all that you, your family, and your son have been through!  Because it takes so long to get in for help, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THE MOST OUT OF YOUR SON'S DOCTOR APPT TOMORROW!!  for what its worth, here are a few ideas/suggestions on how to do that (please understand that I am not a health professional; these ideas are based on my own experiences and research regarding ADHD, depression, bipolar disorder, medical treatments & diagnoses, etc.)  I wish you the very best!! 

  

Because most (if not all?) mental health illnesses can't be determined using biological tests (blood tests, x-rays, etc...it seems brain scans may shed some light but unless you have one readily available??...) the doctors & therapists MUST rely on the symptoms described to them by the patient and/or family members.  In order to have the best chance at an accurate diagnosis then, you need to give the doctor accurate info to work with.  So my first suggestion is to do whatever it takes to be in the room when your son meets with the doctor.  I don't know your son, of course, but I agree with you that it is very likely he won't tell the doctor everything.  One reason for this may be due to the way your son feels about himself - most people suffering from any kind of mental illness are embarrassed, ashamed, & digusted with themselves and therefore minimize or deny their symptoms to others.  Many mental illnesses cause the inflicted person's thoughts to become irrational and distorted and so the info your son does give the doctor may not be a rational account of events.   

  

Besides meeting with the doctor, I also suggest you take as much time as you can ALONE (SO YOU CAN REALLY FOCUS) between now and the appt, grab a pencil and lots of paper and "timeline" the significant events, behaviors, and diagnoses/treatment over your son's life.  Start with the day he was born and end with today, filling in the FACTS in between (try to keep your own reactions and emotions to these things out of it as much as you can).  You will remember more and more as you go along - hence the need for lots of paper :).  Once you feel you have a good representation of your son's battle with this, lay it all out chronologically.   Make a few copies, one for the doctor, yourself and your son if you think it is a good idea.  At the very least, this will give you something to reference as questions arise regarding his illness, minimizing the time spent trying to recall info while with the doctor.   

  

The last thing I would suggest is that you arm yourself with as much knowledge about mental illness as possible.  Take notes or ask the doctor to write down his conclusions/treatment plans at the end of the appt and then get on the internet.  A couple good sites are www.nami.org, www.dsalliance.org, and www.healthyplace.com.  They not only offer info on the illnesses & their symptoms, but also offer support and information specific to family members!!  

  

Anyways - hope some of this helps!  Good luck tomorrow....my thoughts and prayers are with you! 

 
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March 8, 2006, 10:15 am PST

children have bipolar too

i have a daughter that was diagnosed as bipolar at the age of 12. before she was diagnosed i was told she was ADD at the age of 9. she was put on Concerta and seemed to do alot better, untill she reached 11. she started to talk about how no one loved her and she wanted to die.she could not fall a sleep with out crying for 2hrs every nite.also she had rapid mood swings. one minute she was so hyper and silly the next she would be sreaming at you for no reason. we decided to take her to a dr, his diagnosis was anxiety and depression. she was then put on Zoloft with the Concerta, which made her so much better at that time. last year she started getting very mean and talking about wanting to die. her Dr said he didnt think she was bipolor. he said just leave the medication the way it was, but she got worse. living in our house got so stressful from my daughter constiantly yelling at everyone in the house. she would alway say that we didnt love her as much as we loved her sister, who is 3yrs younger than her (with no signs of bipolor). so we changed Dr's, she is now on concerta,zoloft, and abilfy. which seems to be working. my question is to anyone else whos has a child with bipolor, now that you look back on when your child was as an infant did you notice how they were..my daughter as an infant could not fall a sleep and would cry for a long time in her crib and would not fall a sleep, also looking back  at age 2 she would be so happy, playing and laughing with my husband and i and then getting  so mad for no reason at all, and yell at us and walk away. it just seems to all fit now when i look back at her life. its very hard to dicipline a child whose is a teenager now because you dont know what is regular teenage hormones verses the bipolor episodes if anyone could help me out here id surely appreciate it... thanks for listening.........
 
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March 8, 2006, 10:19 am PST

Thoughts on Where to Turn for Help!

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You have both given my a ray of hope. My husband also was orginally diagnosed ADHD. He was also told that he had anxiety disorder. After trying so many medicines the doctor, in late 2005, said he also believes my husband has Bipolar tendencies. Over the last year his anger has gotten progressively worse and it disappears as suddenly as it hits. After reading some of these stories I felt my self becoming overwhelmed with grief, would my husband every get better. We are currently not living under the same roof because of his anger. the medications he is currently taking are adderall and zanax nothing for the bipolar unfortunately, this is because he has no health insurance and we don't know where to turn for help for him.

Hi, 

  

My heart goes out to you.  There is nothing worse than not having the financial resources to help a loved one in need.  Here are some suggestions: 1.)  Your State Mental Health and Retardation Center (there should be a facility in your hometown and/or close to you)  2.) If your husband was in the Armed Services he may qualify for VA Benefits.  3.)  I do not know what your financial status is, however could he be considered for Medicaid?  The first thing I would do is call your State Mental Health and Retardation and they will guide you.  These state mental health programs and services are free.  No one should have to suffer this because of finances! 

  

Keep your chin up and stay positive.  This disorder IS NOT without hope and victory for a total normal life.  There is hope for your husband!  I know that some of the stories can scare a person to death!  I have been there and it only confuses you even more.  Remember, no two people are alike in their symptoms nor do they respond to the same medications in the same way.  Get on the website WEBMD.COM.  They are a great tool to learn about this disorder. 

  

I wish you the best!  Please let me know how he is doing and if any of my suggestions helped.  My name is Gwen and my email address is:  ajala57@aol.com  

 
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March 8, 2006, 10:35 am PST

Families - Please educate yourself

I have a 31 yr old son who is Bipolar, ADD and has anxiety.  We are trying to help him get his life back on track.  This is a heartbreaking illness as is any mental illness.  Please, if you have a loved one with this or any type of mental illness/brain disorder, please educate yourself.  NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) offers a 12 week course called Family To Family.  It is very, very helpful.  A person who has a brain disorder is no more at fault for that disorder than is the person with any other type of disease.  And if we family members think it is difficult for us to handle, how do you think the person afflicted with the illness feels?  This class is helping me so very much.  It is facilitated by trained people who have a family member with a mental illness.  Although there are differences in the illnesses, the stages of dealing with it are the same. It is encouraging to come together with other families who are also struggling and dealing with the same kind of situation.  NAMI also offers a course for the consumer (the person with the illness/disorder) called Peer To Peer.  If you have access to the internet there is a wealth of information out there.  It can be exhausting, but we must do whatever we can to help our loved one and we cannot do that properly until we educate ourselves. Your loved one may not be able to do this for themself.  You must do it!   I cannot stress this enough! 

  

The hardest part is often getting the help that we know is necessary.  My son is unable to work, has no money and no insurance.  It takes money to get good doctors and therapists.  My son is fortunate to have a family that is supportive and understanding. (This is often not the case for so many.  Many people suffering with mental illness are alone and misunderstood.)  We are trying to help but we don't have the money for doctors and medication.  We have not yet applied for SSI. Right now we are depending on the services provided by the county, etc.  Right now all we can do is give him a safe place to live and be loved.  I know for some that is not even possible because of the person's extreme behavior.  Those are all tough things to be dealt with.  The classes will help you in this area also. 

  

There is hope.  Don't give up! 

  

 
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March 8, 2006, 10:45 am PST

What natural product was recommended?

Apparently on yesterday's show there was a natural remedy suggested and I was wondering if anyone knew the name?  Thanks
 
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