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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 9, 2006, 12:41 pm PST

I think my abusive husband is Bi-polar. Help

I have been with my current husband for 3 1/2 years now, and he has  a drinking &  had a RX problem, he won't keep a job,he is fine one day & the next is pure Hell, he creates things in his head that aren't true, he says he knows he needs to be a good husband, but then he will steal from me, money, my kids ADHD med's if i have ever had perscription pain med's he has stollen them,  He will stand in my face and lie to me about anything i have caught him doing.he has wild behavior one day & the next normal,  and he just turned 41, he is acessive with even taking vitamins and natural herbs, he gets in these moods where he acts like he's 15 again wanting to cruze around and blast the radio in my car, I pay all the bill's and he acts mostof the times he could careless, his money is his, he's been in & out of jail , and now he drinks hardly at all but has gotten worse, he has physically abused me on a few occations and i had resorted to hitting him back but nothing to the extent of what he has done to me, he will create stuff like your toe nails were not painted that color when you left for work this morning, who did you buy those new underware for? why are you stressing over what to wear when (we ) are just going to a ball game, who's gonna be there, i resorted to bringing receipts home showing him every stop i would make and they even showed the times and then he would say whatever i don't want to see those, and then that night he would be so loving  and sorry. I know there has to be something mentally wrong w/ him. does this sound familiar to anyone? thanks
 
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March 9, 2006, 12:44 pm PST

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maybe try to have your dr recommend it, be worthwhile to ask your dr,  

then insurance would probably cover it also 

from someone with this disorder, maybe you can help me w/ my husband where did you start w/ treatment i dont have 8 years to waist im at my witts end w/ him after 3 1/2 years
 
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March 9, 2006, 12:49 pm PST

prevalence of bipolar disorder

Bipolar disorder is indeed a very complex brain illness that manifests itself in a variety of ways. While the two guests featured on Tuesday's show were more extreme, most people with bipolar disorder are not violent towards others but suicide is a huge risk in this population, as several parents who lost children to this horrific illness have posted. Even accounting for earlier and better diagnosis, why is this so prevalent? Whether it's bipolar disorder, OCD, autism, ADHD or other brain disorders, I'm amazed at the number of families dealing with this in both younger and older children. There's no doubt that genetics play a major role but environmentally (besides family stressors, like death, divorce, sexual abuse, etc), what else is contributing to the numbers of persons being treated for serious mental illness?? Is it the toxic and uncivil culture we live in? The air we breathe? The water we drink? The food we eat??  

  

This is a national crisis that doesn't get enough attention, funding and respect. The economic costs to families, employers and to society at large are enormous.  We caregivers are burned out, left to find what little help exists on our own and often times, are actually blamed for these biologically based disorders. If my daughter had cancer, we would have been directed to the best treatment centers, specialists, support and recovery programs with great compassion & kindness, and insurance companies wouldn't be batting an eye over most claims.  

  

With the current administration's focus on the war in Iraq and the billions being spent on defense and homeland security with no end in sight, any programs and research for mental health/brain disorders that currently exist are being severely cut back. It is a disgrace that we do not have some form of national health insurance. Whether it's our loved ones with serious brain disorders or the victims of Katrina, how a society/government treats its most vulnerable, traumatized and needy citizens says much about who we are. It is NOTa pretty picture.  

 
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March 9, 2006, 12:53 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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Hi everyone.  First time postng here. 

  

I just wanted to say that I was diagnosed with Cyclothymia three years ago.  Cyclothymia is considered a very mild form of BP and my particular case is so mild, that I am only on 100 mg of Lamictal per day (200mg is considered the minimum daily dosage). 

  

Although I can appreciate and empathise with what others are going through, reading these posts and watching the show is making me wonder whether I actually have this disease.   

  

I had always noticed that my so called episodes coincided with either ovulation or my period.  Naturally, I assumed it was hormonal.  My husband, in his infinite wisdom, decided that I must have some sort of mental illness and took me around from doctor to doctor until one gave us a diagnosis. 

  

Unfortunately, my diagnosis has become a convenient spot for him to place blame for any marital problems that we encounter (there are lots of them ... but that's for another show!). 

  

I never had any of the symptoms that are being described here.  I would simply get blue and then snap out of it.  Lamictal does have a mild anti-depressive property, so I am now wondering if that's all I needed to get me over the monthly hormonal surge. 

  

While I don't want to be in denial, I am now very curious to know if I actually have this disorder. 

  

Apryl 

I am glad you posted because i was diagnosed in 10/05 and i am nothing like what was dipicted on the show i do become severly depressed and I do go on some really bad spending sprees but i do not hear voices. I do know in some of the more severe cases of BP that people can not controll what they are doing, but what that mom was doing to her boys was scary to say the least and where is dad if he left because of this why did he leave the boys to just deal with it? Anyway I to was on lamactile and it was working but at 500 a month and crappy insurance coverage i simply can not afford it. So I try hard to just work through the depression and i make my husband take the bank card now.
 
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March 9, 2006, 12:53 pm PST

Get him checked out

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I have been with my current husband for 3 1/2 years now, and he has  a drinking &  had a RX problem, he won't keep a job,he is fine one day & the next is pure Hell, he creates things in his head that aren't true, he says he knows he needs to be a good husband, but then he will steal from me, money, my kids ADHD med's if i have ever had perscription pain med's he has stollen them,  He will stand in my face and lie to me about anything i have caught him doing.he has wild behavior one day & the next normal,  and he just turned 41, he is acessive with even taking vitamins and natural herbs, he gets in these moods where he acts like he's 15 again wanting to cruze around and blast the radio in my car, I pay all the bill's and he acts mostof the times he could careless, his money is his, he's been in & out of jail , and now he drinks hardly at all but has gotten worse, he has physically abused me on a few occations and i had resorted to hitting him back but nothing to the extent of what he has done to me, he will create stuff like your toe nails were not painted that color when you left for work this morning, who did you buy those new underware for? why are you stressing over what to wear when (we ) are just going to a ball game, who's gonna be there, i resorted to bringing receipts home showing him every stop i would make and they even showed the times and then he would say whatever i don't want to see those, and then that night he would be so loving  and sorry. I know there has to be something mentally wrong w/ him. does this sound familiar to anyone? thanks
Bipolar people are able to spin things in their favor...it usually means he is hiding his behavior that he is doing to you and saying you are doing it to him.......my ex went through alont of what you are saying and he was clinically diagnosed as bipolar and won't take meds to help it.....get your husband checked out....for your sanity sake.....Good Luck
 
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March 9, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

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I have been with my current husband for 3 1/2 years now, and he has  a drinking &  had a RX problem, he won't keep a job,he is fine one day & the next is pure Hell, he creates things in his head that aren't true, he says he knows he needs to be a good husband, but then he will steal from me, money, my kids ADHD med's if i have ever had perscription pain med's he has stollen them,  He will stand in my face and lie to me about anything i have caught him doing.he has wild behavior one day & the next normal,  and he just turned 41, he is acessive with even taking vitamins and natural herbs, he gets in these moods where he acts like he's 15 again wanting to cruze around and blast the radio in my car, I pay all the bill's and he acts mostof the times he could careless, his money is his, he's been in & out of jail , and now he drinks hardly at all but has gotten worse, he has physically abused me on a few occations and i had resorted to hitting him back but nothing to the extent of what he has done to me, he will create stuff like your toe nails were not painted that color when you left for work this morning, who did you buy those new underware for? why are you stressing over what to wear when (we ) are just going to a ball game, who's gonna be there, i resorted to bringing receipts home showing him every stop i would make and they even showed the times and then he would say whatever i don't want to see those, and then that night he would be so loving  and sorry. I know there has to be something mentally wrong w/ him. does this sound familiar to anyone? thanks
 I have posted quite a few messages on this board because I have a friend who is bi-polar. It takes a lot of time to get diagnosed. You may just be with someone who has 'issues' that about sums up a lot right? ha ha Not really, but the situation you described is very similar to the situation that my friend has told me he was like with his wife. He even cheated himself but still fights with accusing her of doing the same thing. She lost a lot of weight about two years ago and started traveling to see her family up north and he was convinced she was cheating with another man. I don't know if she was or not but Bi-polar victims often suffer from what I consider intolerable paranoia. One way or another this situation is NOT healthy for you and I would urge you to seek counseling. If you can. Many bi-polar victims also make up things in their mind and then believe them to be true. If anything start by getting yourself help because if he is bi-polar it isn't going to be something that either of you will easily adjust to or be able to live with. I have spent a lot of time researching this topic to better understand my friend. The disorder affects everyone differently. Like I said seek some professional help soon. Oh yeah and if he is Bi-polar, drinking will make MANY of the symptoms stronger. My friend has actually had thoughts of killing people. And not like people say "oh i could just kill so & so" but people with bi-polar are often very serious about these thoughts. Get help before you get hurt!
 
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March 9, 2006, 1:13 pm PST

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Neither is Dr. Phil (a MEDICAL doctor or psychiatrist), so I hope these people received accurate diagnoses.  To my knowledge, manic-depression (or "bipolar," as it's now popularly known) doesn't cycle QUITE that fast (five minutes); nor are the highs subjectively unpleasant (although the consequences of them can be once the victim comes down from them).  In fact, many patients resist taking medication because the highs are so good.  The first lady appeared to me to have a personality disorder (perhaps borderline), since this behavior has been present her entire adult life; either that or just a bad temper and the habit of yelling?  The second guest, although I didn't catch when his symptoms first appeared, is probably schizophrenic or schizotypal?  I realize everyone latches onto the latest "wastebasket" diagnosis, but not every childhood disorder is ADHD (often it's just lack of discipline), and not every adult disorder is "bipolar."  I hope everyone consults a qualified specialist (a psychiatrist is an MD who specializes in mental disorders; a psychologist has a Ph.D. and no medical training or qualifications; can't prescribe medication).

Just an update on your misinformation about rapid cycling, it's called Cyclothymia.  Feel like building a house at 9 am and weeping on the floor at noon.  I think perhaps it is probably an individual thing with how rapid one cycles along with whatever is going on around them.  The highs can be very unpleasant.  They can be utterly exhausting and draining.  Yet you just keep going because you can't stop.  When I was diagnosed I was asked by the doctor if I had mood swings.  I laughed and said "show me a woman who doesn't."  He then got more specific.  I now know that my periods exacerbated the cycling.  The anger was rage, the euphoria was wonderful.   I think perhaps women have a somewhat harder time with being bipolar due to hormone fluctuations, PMS, menopause etc.  But to be the way Cathy was is uncalled for.  Knowing she was abusive, nasty and just plain mean to her children was quite selfish on her part.  They should have been the reason she never stopped looking for help.  It took me so very many years to finally get the right meds and become stable but I knew I could not continue to hurt my children.  I believe, while the DSM 4 is accurate, not everyone will fit every criteria for something nor will one medication work for everyone who has the same thing.  We are all different.  I was finally diagnosed with BP first then many years later added BPD.  My therapist, at the time was sure I was but I didn't fit the mold.  Very few, if any, will fit the mold for anything.    I have never been diagnosed with ADHD but I can read and often understand what I read.  I was given something to go with my antidepressant, a drug that is given for ADHD.  Utterly amazing.  Finally the last piece of the puzzle fit together.   I found I could think sentences to the end.  It was awesome.  

  

As for the second guest, in the midst of despair that we suffer from I heard voices.  Some I knew some I didn't.   

  

Now I take my meds, see my dr and therapist and put every effort into being the best me I can.  I'm not perfect, I have times when I get down and when I just want to cry and I don't know why but I know it will pass.   

  

I share what info I have about BP with others that may want to know.  I let me know what I am taking now.  It is up to anyone to be in charge of their own mental and physical health.  A little knowledge can, sometimes be dangerous, but no knowledge can be lethal.    

  

Take care 

  

  

 
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March 9, 2006, 1:29 pm PST

HURRAH FOR YOU

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My 30 year old daughter is bi-polar.  I guess I do not understand her behavior.  I have seen her really get angry and mad and I have also seen her act okay.  I think she can control herself if she wanted to badly enough.  Recently, to take care of myself, I have told her that she was not going  to be allowed to scream and yell at me anymore.  She would treat me with respect or not at all.   I am prepared to have no more contact with her at all if she does not  treat me right.................bipolar or not! 

maxxy 96. 

Good for you not accepting her behavior.  You go girl.   Maybe with meds she could control some of her behavior, if not al of itl, maybe not.  But you don't have to accept her behavior ever.    Sick or not.    I know some folk, with mental illness, blame their crummy behavior on it.   Ah well, it sucks to be them.   Hold your ground and don't cave.  By accepting her bad behavior you are telling her it's ok to treat you that way.    It's her choice and yours.  Good luck.  I wish you the best. 
 
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March 9, 2006, 1:45 pm PST

My Father and three grown children , Bipolar

I am 62 years old. When my Father first exhibited the behavior of what was in earlier  years called "Manic-Depression", we didn't know what it was, and neither did the professionals. I was very young and just grew up loving him yet very afraid of him. He never actually had much to do with my sister and I, for we pretty much stayed respectfully clear of him. Yet the effects from his tirades affected us greatly for many, many years. They called him a genius, for he was extremely successful in the business world. His mania drove him and when it would wear out he would resort to codeine to continue and enhance his high. Having had a major automobile wreck in his late thirties he was prescribed this narcotic medication, for he lived the rest of his life partially paralyzed and in pain. He also was driven by some inner voice to excel. The power he had was addictive. He was a long tall Texan type, a little like Howard Hughes. Just about all that were around him became co-dependent . That is one of the worst side-effects of the disease. My Mother became alcoholic, I left home at 16 and married to escape the craziness that we didn't know had a name. He was in and out of hospitals and went through all kinds of treatments including electro-shock. Nothing ever really worked. At times in his later years he presented a kind of gentleness that broke my heart. He went through $3,000,000.  during one of his last episodes and left my Mother without anything. Meanwhile I had three children, two boys and one girl. One was, I know, bi-polar from birth. The things I have and do go through with them to this day are hard for me to talk about. They are all three incarcerated or waiting to be sentenced to prison time.  This has happened over and over. They are also addicts and have been to many treatment centers. When they were younger I even sent them to one of Dr. Phil's weekend seminars.  I do love them. They too can be sweet and gentle sometimes. God bless any and all affected by this illness. It can be Hell. There are things that can help now that were not available with my Father or even my children as they are now in their forties. Learn as much as you can. I've had to "feel" my way through it.
 
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March 9, 2006, 1:48 pm PST

Help yourself instead

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My daughter is in treatment.  She is  taking medication. and in therapy.  The doctor said the medicine is doing all it can do and she needs to help herself.   

  

I have helped her quite alot...........taking her to doctor appointments,  keeping her son for weeks at a time when she is down.  Paying her bills because she can not keep a job,  buying clothes and food  for the both of them.  I guess  I want to hear and see some thank yous from her  instead of  

mean and hateful comments 

As long as you keep giving to her and taking her abuse she will keep doing it.  Why should she stop?  As the good dr says, you teach people how to treat you.   I believe the meds don't work much if you don't work much.   Please let her take responsibility for herself and her child.  Of course you need to protect the child but your daughter is an adult.  It sounds like she is getting more from being sick than being responsible.  If she is still taking to her bed for weeks at a time she probably needs different meds.  Don't buy her anything.  Figure a way to see the child is ok without giving money etc to your daughter.  She can continue to be sick and irresponsible as long as you are taking care of her life.  Do something for yourself.  Don't let her disrespect you ever.   If you continue to provide her she will never get better.  Get some help for yourself.  You are I mom and I understand why you are "helping"  her but I think you are actually doing more harm than good.  It may get a lot worse before it gets better but you cannot change her, you can only change your reaction to her.  Be well 

 
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