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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 9, 2006, 9:54 pm PST

Living With Bipolar Disorder-Friend/Enemy

Living with bipolar disorder has been a living hell. It's not the disease so much that is the problem, but how family and society treat one that has this disorder. Living with this for years, I have been to therapy regulary, taken my meds as perscribed, gone to 12 Step programs as not to be involved in addictions (sober almost 20 years). I have never been in trouble with the law and there is one thing that a therapist advised that has never been forgotten. "You are responsible for your life and what you do." 

  

There is help out there and even if a person can't pay for it...doors get slammed and one keeps on trying. What is sad is that there have been so many changes lately in Medicare/Medicaid programs that people with this disorder are being hospitalized because they can no longer afford their meds. In January I lost my Medicare/Medicaid and I did get another insurance policy to help me. There was only two weeks notice to do this. I felt relieved to have new insurance and that my meds could get paid for. In the process though, I went to where I normally have had therapy for the past six years and was told they do not accept that insurance. Now I have lost my therapist, Shrink, and a DBT program that I was involved in, all within a few moments. I was dismissed like a piece of garbage. No one cared...no one offered to find me any where else to go. Just C-YA! Being devastated I thought I could handle this. All my specialists were also gone with this new  health insurance. I was blessed in getting a decent doctor. The thing is now I may lose my apartment due to me losing all of the above mentioned. It is unbelievable what we have to go through. I have lived alone for years, raised  a son (who is also bi-polar) and did every thing that I was supposed to do and can't win. I live alone and my best friend is my dog. My God who can one trust?  

  

What ticked me off about Dr. Phils show is he always has people on that have all of this family support. Fred for instance is forty and lives with his folks and and has a sister who loves him. My family could care less. My brother thinks I am a failure because I am too physically ill to work and have a mental illness to boot. My Mom is elderly and forgiven for not understanding the disease, but it is so hard to live like this. This dude "Fred" on Dr. Phil's show wants to live on his own? He has no idea how lucky he is to be in a home where he is loved. He needs to take his meds though and go to therapy as he is supposed to. Many families just dump people with bipolar disorder. They don't understand that it is an illness just as any other and is being considered as a seisure disorder. I have been in therapy for 30 years and have lived a spiritual life to get  me through the worst parts. It has been a lonely and heart aching existence, but I survive. Survive...what a word.  

  

I can't sleep tonight because I am wondering will I have to sleep in my car again...because of a government error...not mine. Taking responsibiliy is the most important thing we can do for ourselves with this serious disease, but I have to say it is not easy. I don't think the Dr. Phil show has really even begun to explore this. It's a shame instead they rather deal with the middle class or upper class Drama Queens like he had on todays show. Oh they are in debt....oh they spend too much money...oh she doesn't work....Oh puh-lease....GET A THERAPIST INSTEAD OF SPENDING 600 BUCKS ON YOURSELF AND THEN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT CUTTING ON YOURSELF! 

  

Let's see, yeah I cut on myself too....when there isn't enough food to eat, or I may lose my meds or I may have to live in the street again. Even though I am an author and artist (starving), I still have my integrity. I don't have to use any man to survive.  

  

The good thing about this disorder is that most of us are very intelligent or creative people. The down side to that is if there is no way of getting help for this disease most of us either commit suicide or end up living in the streets without medication.  We aren't the disease that people care about. We aren't the ones that there are tele-thons about.  Many of us suffer. Some of us get along...in hell...but we suffer. I do hope that Dr. Phil does more shows on this illness. There are so many people in this country with this disorder---It's truly an epidemic. One that is hidden more in closests than any other disease out there. No one cares.  

  

I try to tell myself that just because I have a book published and another coming out this year that I am worth something? Finally, in this bipolar life there has been an accomplishment? No because hell is always waiting, right around the corner. 

  

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March 9, 2006, 10:01 pm PST

I am so sorry for your loss

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As I watched this show on people who suffer with bipolar disorder, my heart went out to the sister who looked out for her brother at the expense of her own husband and family.  

I lost the love of my life, my husband of  33 yrs., to suicide as the result of this devastating illness. I do not feel any anger towards him like alot of people do in situations like this, but I am very angry at the so called "health professionals" who I put too much trust and confidence in with my husband's life. You see, I am a nurse and really believed that he was getting the best of care because I always gave my patients the very best care and just assumed my profession would not let him down. How stupid of me! When I look back and see how my husband was treated so poorly by the VA doctors and nurses, it makes me feel so betrayed. I read his medical records and the untruths were mind boggling, now I know why he just gave up, he did not feel he had any hope for the future.  

My husband served his country in the US Army in the Viet Nam War and deserved to be treated professionally and respectfully. Instead he felt no one there really cared what he was feeling and he was given generic meds that were not working and conflicted with other meds he took for hypertension and diabetes( which he developed after exposure to agent orange in Viet Nam). I loved him with all of my heart and soul and tried so hard to keep him from harming himself. He was in and out of " behavioral units" at local hospitals three times for attempts to kill himself. He was never kept at any of these hospitals for any longer than 3 days because that is all medicare would allow in private hospitals and the VA never thought he needed to be admitted for his bipolar and now he is dead. When I tried to contact the mental health nurse practioner who saw him last before he died, she finally called me back after I left messages for several days. When I told her what had happened and wanted to know some answers to some questions I had, all she said to me was " you know as well as I did that he was going to kill himself eventually". I was hurt and stunned that I was not even given an ounce of sympathy and then told basically that I needed to get over it.....so what and no big surprise? 

Well, he was my husband, my best friend, my sons father and HE MATTERED TO ME! My heart is forever broken and my life shattered, every day is a struggle for me now and I re-live finding him when I came home from work ...dead for over 6 hrs. I ran to him, the nurse in me thinking that I could save him, but when I touched his face and arms, they were so cold...... no one will ever know what I felt at that moment, and I continue to feel it every day. He was worth everything to me, even my own life if I could have given him that choice. 

I feel totally numb and just go through the motions of the day, trying to move around the huge hole his death has left behind. 

I wish He had been able to receive the kind of support and help this family has from devoted people like Dr. Phil, maybe he would be alive today. 

and I can't imagine the pain, heartache, raw grief and anger you have felt and suffered following the death of your beloved husband. The fact that he was hospitalized for such brief time periods given his serious brain disorder and other medical problems was incomprehensible yet it happens way too often. Re: the extremely insensitive and cruel remarks that the nurse practioner made to you, I think you should write her a letter and tell her the extra pain she inflicted on you during the worst time of your life. There are definitely some excellent and compassionate professionals in the mental health field but there are many who are not. When my then 14 yr old daughter attempted suicide 6 months after her dad/my husband died of a rare form of heart disease, a prominent psychiatrist  who treated her at the hospital said to me: "How is Mel ever going to get better when you're always around?" I was fighting to save the life of my precious child, who had a serious illness? Would a doctor dare say that to a parent if the child was suffering from cancer??  My grief counselor encouraged me several months later to write a letter to that doctor and I did. The psychiatrist never responded but I hope that she seriously thought about what she said to families in crisis from then on. It helped in my healing process. 

  

My heart goes out to you and I'm sending you hugs and hope. Grief/loss is the worst pain I have ever felt and it permeates your entire mind, body and soul. Yes, your husband's life mattered--- to you and to everyone who knew and loved him and yes, he needed and deserved better care and treatment than what he got at the VA. . He was truly  fortunate to have such a strong and supportive wife in you. You couldn't save him from this deadly brain disorder but you loved him, stood by him and in the end, that is what truly matters. I would encourage you to find a grief counselor to help you through the journey ahead. My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a loved one to this terrible illness. That will be my worst fear until the day I die.  

  

 
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March 10, 2006, 12:08 am PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

Hello.  I'm new here but I had a few comments about this week's show dealing with bipolar. 

  

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I really wish Dr. Phil would have discussed some of the everyday cases of bipolar instead of focusing on the extreme cases.  I was dignosed with the disorder a year and a half ago.  I was 19 at the time and it completely screwed up my education and because of some of the circumstances surrounding my intial dignosis, I still suffer from anxitiy and panic attacks.  My mood swings are not as extreme as the woman that was on the show, but they are just as devistating.  When I was at my lowest was when I couldn't make my classes because my medications were causing extreme sedation and if I wasn't sleeping in, I was sleeping in class and offending my teachers.  I can't really give you a clear definition of my manic episodes because I'm still trying to see if I can recgonize when I'm manic (it's been quite a while since I think I felt a true episode).   I'm now pretty stable, but as I said, I still have a great deal of anxitiy and if I'm faced in the right situation, I panic like crazy.   

  

My parents are trying to understand, but it's not always an easy road.  I'm seen as lazy and reclusive because when I'm depressed, I tend to keep to myself in my room.  I never did open up to my parents about my feelings while I was in my early teens (when I think this all really started), so they don't have an accurate idea of what my highs and lows are really like.  What really hurt and dissipointed me is that because of the show focused on very extreme cases, it didn't give my mom and I the chance to sit down and discuss how these people feel and how it might relate to how I feel.  It really had the potential to help me, but even with the second case there was no room for discussion because both cases were not representive of the way I am.  I don't have an ounce of temper in my body.  The only simularity I may have saw in the entire show was the man who hears voices, and although some of them do involve celebrities (the only arts disipline I've never tried is dance - I pay attention to celebrities, just not to that extent), none of the voices I hear are telling me to do anything.  The only voices I hear that can be damaging are voices of my past that are playing like a broken record reminding me how misserible my life is.   

  

Anyway, that's how I feel.  My story goes deeper, but I don't want to get into it right now.   

 
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March 10, 2006, 7:18 am PST

A wonder drug !!

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I have been on Lamictal since November when I was Baker Acted, long story. It has helped me so much as I was coming off of Effexor. I need to change medicines every few years as they quit working. But this has been by far the most helpful I feel like a "normal" person. I have always taken anti-depressants, Ativan and now Cymbalta and Lamictal and Im doing so good. Im thankful for the change...I did write a letter to Dr. Phil regarding my dissatisfaction with the show. It was bent toward the worst cases and should have contained more stable patients as well... 

 

 I too have mental illness. I've been a ginny pig for 20 years. I too build up a high tolerance or get side effects. I was again suicidal and ready to commit myself. My doctor tried Lamictal and pulled me out of the dark hole. I have spoken to other paitients and they agree.It's a wonder drug.
 
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March 10, 2006, 7:25 am PST

You are absolutely right!

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Why not think of having another child. 

  

I just had my second and I have a 2 year old.  I am doing great and I am a great Mom.  Why do you think that those of us with BP are any less capable.  My psychiatrist and OBGYN closely monitored both pregnancies.  I hardly through my life to the wind.  I am sure that if you bothered to take the time to educate yourself a bit you would find that there are many options for BP women who want children and many different treatment plans.  My children and I are healthy and happy. 

  

Comments such as yours contribute to the negative and inncurate stereotypes that exist in our society about mental illness.  I am not only a Mom, but held down a very responsible proffesional job that I just left to be at home full time, have 2 graduate degrees and am a very "normal" person. 

  

I have BP I am not BP.  It is just an illness that needs to be manged.  It does not rule my life. 

  

I went off my meds during both pregnancies and was fine, but I had meds that I could take if I needed them. 

  

I have to laugh when I hear comments like "how would you handle a crisis with your kids?"  I handle crisis better than all of my "normal" friends because I have had to deal with so much.   

  

I have been on seroquel for 8 years and it is a great drug for BP.     

You put it so well when you said" I have BP and I am not BP".  I am a great mom and I did not expect such negative feedback from people.  It is so hard to have a mental illness in society because of all the stereotypes and sometimes the hashess criticisms comes from those with the same illnesses who think they know what is best.  Having BP does not label you as being damaged or an inadequate parent.  I have BP and I am a LOVING, CARING, SUPPORTIVE, FUN, PRESENT, and EDUCATED parent.I   love my children with all my heart and look forward to having my next and thank you for your comment . 

 
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March 10, 2006, 7:59 am PST

I see alot about you in my son!

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Hello.  I'm new here but I had a few comments about this week's show dealing with bipolar. 

  

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I really wish Dr. Phil would have discussed some of the everyday cases of bipolar instead of focusing on the extreme cases.  I was dignosed with the disorder a year and a half ago.  I was 19 at the time and it completely screwed up my education and because of some of the circumstances surrounding my intial dignosis, I still suffer from anxitiy and panic attacks.  My mood swings are not as extreme as the woman that was on the show, but they are just as devistating.  When I was at my lowest was when I couldn't make my classes because my medications were causing extreme sedation and if I wasn't sleeping in, I was sleeping in class and offending my teachers.  I can't really give you a clear definition of my manic episodes because I'm still trying to see if I can recgonize when I'm manic (it's been quite a while since I think I felt a true episode).   I'm now pretty stable, but as I said, I still have a great deal of anxitiy and if I'm faced in the right situation, I panic like crazy.   

  

My parents are trying to understand, but it's not always an easy road.  I'm seen as lazy and reclusive because when I'm depressed, I tend to keep to myself in my room.  I never did open up to my parents about my feelings while I was in my early teens (when I think this all really started), so they don't have an accurate idea of what my highs and lows are really like.  What really hurt and dissipointed me is that because of the show focused on very extreme cases, it didn't give my mom and I the chance to sit down and discuss how these people feel and how it might relate to how I feel.  It really had the potential to help me, but even with the second case there was no room for discussion because both cases were not representive of the way I am.  I don't have an ounce of temper in my body.  The only simularity I may have saw in the entire show was the man who hears voices, and although some of them do involve celebrities (the only arts disipline I've never tried is dance - I pay attention to celebrities, just not to that extent), none of the voices I hear are telling me to do anything.  The only voices I hear that can be damaging are voices of my past that are playing like a broken record reminding me how misserible my life is.   

  

Anyway, that's how I feel.  My story goes deeper, but I don't want to get into it right now.   

    Hi my name is Jennifer Malcolm, I have a 10 year old son that has Bipolor and 4 other medical conditions with this to. When devyn was 3 months old his dad commited suicide. That tore my world apart, because two week before his dad did that my grandmother past away due to cancer. when devyn was 3yrs. old he found out about his fathers death. Iput him in counceling to try to help him with all of it, but nothing was helping it did not work because he was to young to understand. He is still in counceling for his medical condition and every thing else. Itake him once a month to a doctor for his meds. last may Devyn was ammited to Brook Lane Mental Hospital for sycoligy examination. That is when we found out about his medical condition that he inherited from his dad.he has days where he gets very destructive and very depressed where we can not get him to do his homework or go to school. when he goes to school he is where he is in his own little world and does nothing. his teacher gets frustrated with him because he does not understand what she is trying to teach him to where she sends him to the office for them to deal with him.so I know what it is like for you,Because Devyn will not open up to let anyone in to help him. he sit and prays to god at times to just let him die to where he can just go be with his dad.i'm scared right now of what is going to happen to him if he does not open up to let someone help him,knowing that there has been 2 other people besides his dad in the past 12 yrs. that has commited suicide. you have to be strong and hang in there and do everything you can to be where you want to be. dreams do come true you just have to belive. thanks,Jennifer Malcolm 
 
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March 10, 2006, 9:01 am PST

Why is life so dysfunctional

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Thanks for the support.   You know what I have been suprised about????  What an epidemic this bi-polar disorder has become.  These message boards have opened my eyes.  What causes this stuff.  Why has life become so disfuctional. 

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A doctor explained to me that we, as a society, cram so much into our lives, much more than our bodies are capable of handling. Some of us have a chemical makeup that is like a bank account. I may get the equivalent of $600 a month in chemical responses, someone else may get $1000 a month. So when life dishes out $800 in expenses one month, I simply don't have the chemical responses to handle those expenses, when the person with $1000 chemical income might. Thus the description of bipolar often simply being a "chemical imbalance."

This highly helped me when I started taking Zoloft for anti-anxiety (I'm not sure if I have bipolar, I am keeping a log of my ups and downs to find out). It helped me sort out the fear of stigma from the medical necessity to balance the chemicals in my brain and help me manage my moods.

Anyway, life hasn't just become so dysfunctional now. For hundreds of years this has existed, as we look back at brilliant composers and artists who led rocky, emotional lives. Sometimes people were ostracized, seen as crazy, killed in witch hunts, sent to mental institutions to be locked up.

I truly hope and think that this generation is starting to change their viewpoint. Though there's still stigma and misinformation and misunderstanding out there, many are seeing proper diagnoses, and understanding how many out there are suffering mood swings just as they are. I think many, many of those without bp are more understanding and are educating themselves about bp. I have been, as it runs in my family, and I want to understand my family. Of course, I also want to follow my tendencies, learn if they're in the "normal" range, or if the ups and downs are more than just the environment I grew up in.

Anyway, I don't think it's an "epidemic." I think it's just more widely diagnosed because the medical profession understands it more, where hundreds and thousands of years ago, people were just "moody," "eccentric," "really weird," or "crazy." Now we understand this is an illness, just as diabetes. The wonderful light at the end of this tunnel is that we can treat it when we know what it is, and what seems to be an epidemic can be managed, though it's easier said than done, of course.
 
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March 10, 2006, 9:22 am PST

You are so welcome!

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Thanks so much for the suggestions and I will be sure to look them up. I can use any and all help right now !!! I wish you luck and support in your journey as well !!!!

Thanks for your sweet thoughts for me & my husband!  You hang in there and make sure you TAKE CARE OF YOU...even when it is the last thing you feel like doing!!  You're a great parent and your children are very lucky to have someone working so hard to make life easier/better.  My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. :) 

 
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March 10, 2006, 10:12 am PST

thanks for sharing your story - helpful!

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My husband was diagnosed with BPD while he was in the USAF ( over 13 yrs ago). We will celebrate our 10th year anniversary this October. My husband played the part of a guinaeu pig at the VA med center for many years until we decided he was done with the meds and shrink appointments. Nothing helped him or me for that matter. They gave him different meds every other month. Everytime he would get to the point where he felt he could trust a shrink, they left the VA so he was forced to start all over with someone new at least 15 times. I finally got tired of it. Its the worst feeling in the world to know that your husband is suffering and there is nothing you can do. I am one of the lucky ones. We never had physical altercations. We love one another and stick by each other through everything. I moved our family of 4 to NC about 4 yrs ago in hopes of a fresh start for my husband, med free. I wanted to put him in an atmosphere that was as close to stress free as humanly possible. Minus the stress of raising our kids, he has managed to really be comfortable and less stressed out. But it puts an incredible amount of stress on my shoulders, doing everything. But its ok, because he is worth it. I just wanted people to know that not all people who are diagnosed with bipolar are deviant, hyper, pschotic and unbearably abusive. Some are very close to whatever normal is measured by publicly.

Hi there -  

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your family's story & I wish you all the very best!  My husband (recently diagnosed with bipolar II) and I consider ourselves "lucky"  because we have grown together rather than apart fighting this illness, and I know that is not always the case.   

My heart goes out to all who suffer from bipolar disorder - those with the disease and those who love & support them.  keep fighting! 

 
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March 10, 2006, 10:19 am PST

Hope

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  I have read many many posts on this topic.  I think the show made the public (those who watch Dr. Phil) afraid of people with bi polar disorder.  The show did educate me on how extreme it can get. And that its simply not just a normal thing that you can deal with on your own.  I thought for the last 7 years that I could handle this on my own. Now I realize I was so wrong. In the last 2 months something has happened. The "demons" have taken over. Im very scared of what is to come next. I dont want to hurt anyone or myself.  But I feel like viki27a except she has delt with this much longer then I. I am 26 yrs old and have had signs of this disorder since I was in single digets. Why does god do this to so many of us, is it a test on our souls? I have 2 kids they are 2 and 3 and I dont want them to hate me whan they grow up and realize they have a crazy mom. I dont know what to do. Im to shy to ask for help. I dont have any family who actually cares for me. My husband, well, I think he might regret ever getting involved with me. He said before, he only attracts crazy women. I wasn't this bad though when we did get married. Its so unfair to him. I have so many problems. I was molested when I was @5 by another female over and over. I thought it was a game. I hid that inside me for a long time. My mother is an emotionless peroson, and acted as if she never wanted me. She took me away from the only normal family I had. But my father would not be any help to me anyway. He has to many of his own problems, nerves and something wrong with his brain(he acts like a kid) So I grew up poor in an abusive household mental and physical, with my younger bro. then mother remarried. A man from jail, that supposivily raped or molested his own daughter. So I had that to think of alot! I got pushed futher away from the family, and at age 15 I moved out. Got an apt after awhile had a couple abusive relationships. Then I moved to another state with one of these loser boyfriends. I got molested again in my sleep. I was 19, it was thanksgiving, It took 5-6 months until I finally found a cop who cared. Thank You Buffalo Detective In Vero, Fl.  I spent many nights(years) looking on the floor afraid someone was there. A monster on the floor. So many nightmares. I hate that Guy! 

Now I am married, I married my best friend. I have 2 boys. and I am getting worse even though my life is better. At least its better on the outside. And back to the top. Im very afraid of this illness, its eating away at me. Im afraid 

There is hope, I promise! Start checking out books from the library about manic depression, I know I keep posting "Bipolar Disorder: Rebuilding Your Life," which walks you through a pastor's experience of child molestation just like you, on to years of suppressing that, years of living before he ever realized he had bipolar. Then to the slow and painful realization he had to take meds, and truly the rebuilding of his life. Patty Duke's book was equally unique about how she found out, and her erratic nature before meds. The Unquiet MInd was fantastic because it's written by a dr. who didn't even realize she had bipolar until she was basically in her residency, even though she was around the clinical terms of mental illnesses all the time. So she sheds some amazing personal and medical light on the subject.

I guess the main amazing hope for you is that this is an illness that can be managed, even if for every step forward sometimes there are two steps back.

The second thing is that the posts here have been fantastic on pointing out the importance of meds, finding the ones that work but never quitting. If you had high blood pressure and medicine was helping you do better, you wouldn't get off the medicine; you would realize it was the thing that was helping your body be healthier. (That analogy was given me when I thought I was ready to get off Zoloft because my anxieties were lessening). You're welcome to email me; my email address is in my profile. It's easier to be shy by email because of the anonimity. : )
 
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