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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 14, 2006, 4:20 am PST

I can relate a little bit

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When Geoff was medicated we talked and he told me he has lived a guilty life his entire life....if he goes to an out door park party he tries to sneak in , in college he cheated his way through school, he Fathered a 16 year old son and never told anyone and he never gave the child any help or money as he was growing up.....to list just a few things and as he was describing this he was mortified with his behavior and lack of feelings and responsibility and not to mention he felt terrible that he deceived me in our marriage and screwed up me and the girls......when he's on med's he is froced to deal with his crimes if you will and it's too much for him so he goes off med's and returns to his illgotten ways......His parents totally enable him and it probably is out of guilt that they didn't help him when he was younger, but he is manipulative and he turns things around on them and then they give him whatever he wants....they lost $200,000 on the golf course mistake and now they won't help him as much financially....Geoff has my kids every other weekend and because he lives with his parents they see the girls then....the girls are 10 and 9 and the 10 year old is wise beyond her years...she understands the illness and she tries to reason with him, but he doesn't get it and it frustrates her.....she chooses not to see him even though she loves him and wants him to get help...she wants a normal Dad....the 9 year old loves her Dad unconditionally and he is a play mate for her and that is all that matters to her....Geoff and his famliy think I poison the girls against him, it couldn't possibly be his lack of living up to his financial responsibilities, feeding or clothing the girls and or paying medical bills and or paying any part of their activities or not being able to drive until 12/2007 because of a DUI and other delusional events that thave occurred.....in any event I steer clear of Geoff's parents....very clear......I am at the point of playing hard ball , as you say, and I've involved the courts to have Geoff's psych dr. indicate he needs to take his meds if he's going to see the girls.....yet again, I will be seen as the bad guy, but too bad...someone has to force the issue....thanks for your help and comments!!!!!!!!

I know what you are going through on a different level. My mom is a compulsive liar and she is an alcoholic and a drug user. so it is a different situation but. My Dad always wanted what was best for me and so he introduced me to his Church when I was 12 after I had stopped living with my mom and well I would visit my mom but it got to the point where I decided that I wanted a chaperon because I didn't want to be there while she was doing drugs and having parties with her friends and she blamed every thing onto my dad and still does because I have stopped talking to her on my own decision. so it is kind of the same for me and you daughter the only difference is the the drugs and alcohol over the bi polar and I am now 21.I know that you have it worse than I did but the only thing you can do is help your daughters realize what is going on and let them make there own decisions which I am sure you are already doing. I just have one question for you. Has he ever tried using nutrition as a way to help him not be as bad with his bipolar? well I wish you all the best and I don't mean to pry keep doing what you are doing. I am very proud of you . 

  

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March 14, 2006, 9:38 am PST

heartwrenching

My husband is BiPolar I/OCD.  We have been married 8yrs.  We married only a few months after knowing each other, although there were red flags.   After 4mths of marriage, he began to drink and he drank for the next 2 horrible yrs.  This lasted until he got his 2nd DUI.  (his first was before I met him).  I realized he had an illness(his father is also BiPolar), even though he was in denial, and perserverd.  Driving him to work, etc. for a year until he got his liscense back.  In the midst of this, he was irritable, cursing, violent, paranoid. He worked 2nd shift and  I think that is what saved us.  And of course 'the good times', when he would come back to 'normal' and was himself.  I savored those moments and hung on.  We eventually had a son, and he became more aware of his problem and went to his family dr.  This dr., knowing his family history, put him on a anit-depressent.  (All those that know about Bi-Polar know this should not be prescibed by itself).  Things seemed to be better for awhile, we were very close and I wasn't in fear around him.  He was still paranoid and sometimes thought he ran over someone on the way home or answered the door with a gun, and still had irritable moments.  Then after 5yrs of not drinking, he started again.  He was up to 30 drinks a day when I made him see a psyciatrist.  He put him on 3 differant med's.  He would take them for a few days and then stop for a few days.  God forbid I remind him.  Things became absolutly unbearable.  He was violent, irritable, and.. don't even know the words to discribe it.  I finally took my son and I to a shelter and we are now seperated and will divorce.  I say all this in hopes if someone reads it, that as not gotten help, Please get help now and stick with it.  I truly beleive if  mine had gotten help sooner, we could have survived.  Even though he was first diagnosed as a teenager , he has only now come out of denial.  That said, he still does not keep up with his apts with his Psy. and psycotherapist.  I know he desperatly love his son, but I will fight for him to be mandated to take his med's and go to his apt.  I know there is a person in there that can be a good father and a person that is 'truly' him other than this disorder.  Its a heartwrenching illness to watch someone you love change into someone else and then change back and then change again over and over. But we have to do whats best, and I thank God for being with me through this. 

 
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March 14, 2006, 10:00 am PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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 I have to say that I did not find this show to be very informative.  Aside from the brain scan aspect, which I would like to look into for myself, there wasn't much information provided.

  

I think it would've been more useful for people to have provided information for those living with bi-polar (or any mental illness), as well as their family. 

  

This show gave an insight to what a person goes through in a day, but doesn't look at what the illness is really.  I could relate to the woman on the show.  I am not at the same extremes right now as I am on medication, but before being put on the meds 7 years ago, I did get pretty bad.  My mother also has bi-polar and showed very much the same behaviours.  Other than seeing that I am not alone, I didn't get anything from the show. 

  

My (ex) boyfriend watched it and had to take a break partway through so I think it really hit home for him.  But as someone with a mental illness, I didn't find it informative. 

  

Please have a show with more information!!  Who to talk to, what it takes for a diagnosis, the treatments available .. and help available for family members of mental illness survivors because they suffer too!! 

  

Krystal 

I totaly agree.  I think the show needed to be more informative, although they could probably spend a week on it and only touch the surface.  It did not touch on spouses dealing with another spouse having the disorder. Also,  I felt it could have been more informative of the hallucinations one can have and it only touched on being paranoid.  I was hoping to get more answers than what I did. I think every family knows of someone or is directly related to someone with this disorder and it could use more attention. 

 
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March 14, 2006, 10:47 am PST

you are so smart for your tender age

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I know what you are going through on a different level. My mom is a compulsive liar and she is an alcoholic and a drug user. so it is a different situation but. My Dad always wanted what was best for me and so he introduced me to his Church when I was 12 after I had stopped living with my mom and well I would visit my mom but it got to the point where I decided that I wanted a chaperon because I didn't want to be there while she was doing drugs and having parties with her friends and she blamed every thing onto my dad and still does because I have stopped talking to her on my own decision. so it is kind of the same for me and you daughter the only difference is the the drugs and alcohol over the bi polar and I am now 21.I know that you have it worse than I did but the only thing you can do is help your daughters realize what is going on and let them make there own decisions which I am sure you are already doing. I just have one question for you. Has he ever tried using nutrition as a way to help him not be as bad with his bipolar? well I wish you all the best and I don't mean to pry keep doing what you are doing. I am very proud of you . 

  

Thumpalina 

After having dealt with my Bipolar ex for roughly 5 years and in that time there was great confusion and emotional pain for me, I chose to remove my children from any possible abuse, more verbal and not yet, but could be physical.....they were so young when I divorced that they only remember their Dad as fun (which in the mania phases he is very fun) and they didn't see him sleeping the day away and he uses marijuana to self medicate and they didn't see this either...so I sheltered them from him......I feel more for you having to see your Mom and have no way to get away from it.....Did you see Dr. Phil's show last week....the blank looks in the boys eyes were so very painful....they are so withdrawn and hopeless.....I can't imagine their pain and yours as well.....As a parent I have choices to choose from....but as a child with a bipolar parent the child is so limited and can't very  well get away from the parent.....You probably became the parent to your Mom......I am glad you were introduced to a church....I too have a wonderful church and loving and supportive friends......You have your whole life ahead of you and what you have already been trhough can strengthen you to overcome any issues you will face down the road.....find your strength and never let it go!!!!  I am very PROUD of you.......Geoff's Mom is a breast cancer survivor and she has improved her eating habits and since Geoff lives there with her I know he must be eating better.....again, they are all in denial that he is bipolar so they wouldn't  think to try anything to help his mind......thank you for your thoughts and good luck to you!!!
 
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March 14, 2006, 12:34 pm PST

zero to "psycho"

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My son who is 6 has it and was diagnosed 2 years ago.  And he can go from perfectly fine to, well I don't like the word "Psycho" either, but exhibiting very disturbing behavior like the switch of  a lightbulb, he has had very delusional behavior and it just breaks my heart.  He is on some "antipsychotic" meds right now that help even out his highs and lows better than the Lithium did, so while the term is not really accurate, at my house some days it seems like it!  Not to make light of this disorder, believe me, I've spent the better part of 19 month reading almost every book I can on childhood bi polar and just bi polar in general, as a mother I have to be my son's voice best advocate.  One his really bad, highly manic days, he can seem to others (who don't understand what bipolar is, or who are just plain ignorant and don't believe it can happen in kids that young) he may seem "psychotic". Hopefully the preview is not actually Dr. Phil speaking, but just part of the video clip..... from the shows I 've watched since the beginning, Dr. Phil doesn't seem one sensationalize or trivialize anyone with a mood disorder or any other type of illness.   

  

I wish you luck on your journey.  If you can offer any advice to this lost mom for dealing with  my son, I would be eteranally gratefuly!  Oh, my son also has co curring ADHD, which makes it even more of a challange... but I digress....  He sees a very good psychiatrist, who prior to moving to this area, headed up the Harvard Children's Mental Health Facilty, he also has a degree in Pharmacology, so I trust him with the medications he recommends, I also have a child psychologist and an educational pyshologist for my son.  (along with about 15 books for me!)   

  

Take care, and we'll "chat" after the show! 

  

Victoria 

This sentence disturbed me to say the least. I'm a 23 year old female who was diagnosed with Bipolar II Disorder in the summer of 2003. What people need to understand is this. "Bipolar" covers such a wide range of symptoms that everyone can't be classified under one term. Some people have hallucinations, some have irratic behavior and others (like myself) just clean more when we're manic, and sleep more when we're depressed. I've been fighting with people since the day I was diagnosed. My boyfriends parents went on a rampage to have him leave me because they were afraid i'd kill them in their sleep. I have already written Dr. Phil on my opinions of this show. That show only cemented their fears. I wish he had shown people who live with it every day, and aren't "psycho". We all need treatment, but most importantly, WE'RE HUMAN. we have feelings, we're not a shell with a brain. People talk about us like we're not there, like we're institutionalized. The truth is, being bipolar i've done better on exams in college, written better papers, ran faster than other people. It's not a disorder that affects the level of intelligence. We're intelligent, functioning people (some of us) and a lot of us are living in fear and not getting treatment because we don't want to deal with the stigma. It's out of control. This is 2006... not 500 B.C. people need to pull their heads out of their rear ends and become educated before passing judgement. Just my opinion of course. 

  

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March 14, 2006, 3:24 pm PST

Highly disappointed - low show rating

I’m sorry to say after watching so many Dr Phil shows, I anxiously awaiting the show In the Mind of a Bipolar – Extreme Highs and Lows, I was extremely disappointed. How much time was spent researching Bipolar before the show was put together and aired? I have spent the last 15+ years reading, going to support groups and researching everything I could get my hands on regarding this chemical imbalance in the brain of a bipolar love one. When my love one was diagnosed with Bipolar IV, - the worse case of bipolar - being a rapid cycler, most so called professionals/experts called it a disease or mental illness. Then by the grace of God I heard another type of professional/expert call it "chemical imbalance of the brain". What a wonderful day that was. I believe using the words disease and/or mental illness to describe bipolar (manic-depression) is what causes the stigma reaction from people who know nothing whatsoever about bipolar. These words could very well be the reason individuals’ refusal to seek treatment. It was in a support group that I sat in a circle with some 25+ bipolar individuals, with or without a friend or love one showing them love and support. I listened to stories so much like what my love one and I were going through that I had mixed emotions about what I was hearing. I heard a story from a beautiful 12-year-old girl and her parents, about just coming out of the hospital 1-2 days ago after being on a 72-hour suicide watch and what put her there. I heard stories from more than one bipolar individual and/or support person about self-mutilation, self-medicating, loss of friends and families, being incarcerated, sleeping on the street, rummaging in garbage cans for food, and much worse. There are many ideas about cause and effect of bipolar. Yes one is heredity. I have worked through my guilt and have stopped blaming myself for passing on whatever it was that was passed on from my maternal grandfather. My love one was diagnosed at the age of 34. However, looking back now on her very early childhood, the signs were there. They just didn’t manifest into full blown bipolar until a very stressful situation was a rude awakening for her and she admitted herself to a hospital on a 72 hour watch. I had never heard of manic-depression (bipolar). When someone said they sad or blue I never connected it to the word depression. Depression always meant “the great depression”.  One of my recent Internet searches on bipolar led me to this web site http://www.dbsalliance.org/. You might want to check it out. Especially the video with Mike Wallace.

  

 

  

 

 

  

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March 14, 2006, 3:42 pm PST

I am better

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I hope that at some point there is a cure or even a little pill that will help those with this disorder, but pardon me for not seeing a light at the end of this tunnel.  My mother is Bi Polar and the only way I deal with it is to keep a distance between us.  This is not supportive I realize that but to what degree do you invest time money and emotionally to these people whom the majority never get better?  I hated growing up with her.  When I am around her I hope for the best but I expect the worse.  The woman on the show is not going to get better.  Her children would be better off else where.  They are investing in a hope that is hopeless I believe.  Those of you who are bi polar and are better my question is how long are you going to be better?  I sustain a relationship with my mother because we have a biological connection, if she were not my mom I would have nothing to do with her.  I will forever protect  myself and my children from her illness.  I have lived through her many attempts on her life.  I have put up with her physical and mental abuse to the point I will not be a victim ever again.  I can tell after reading the message boards that they need family support, but why?  Why be there for them.  At some point you have to get off the rollarcoaster ride and not allow yourself to be sucked up in their sickness.  I do not believe the out look is good for those who suffer. 

KRW 

  

It sounds like your mother has inflicted terrible pain on you.  But if you do research you will see that  treatment does work for mental illness.  I think that your assertion that the majority of people do no get better is not accurate.

It has worked for me.  I have been stable for many years have a home, a job, and nice family.

Personally, I think that there is a lot of hope for the woman on the show, if she receives the proper treatment and sticks with it.  One of her issues was non compliance.  With therapy and medication I have been able to have a normal, stable life.  I have been stable for many years.

I think that your question of how long us bipolars are going to be  better is a reflection of pain, so I  won't take it personally.  Do you think that we should all just euthanize ourselves?

Many of us live happy, healthy lives in spite of BP.

I am sorry your Mom has caused you so much pain.
 
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March 14, 2006, 5:32 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

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I hope that at some point there is a cure or even a little pill that will help those with this disorder, but pardon me for not seeing a light at the end of this tunnel.  My mother is Bi Polar and the only way I deal with it is to keep a distance between us.  This is not supportive I realize that but to what degree do you invest time money and emotionally to these people whom the majority never get better?  I hated growing up with her.  When I am around her I hope for the best but I expect the worse.  The woman on the show is not going to get better.  Her children would be better off else where.  They are investing in a hope that is hopeless I believe.  Those of you who are bi polar and are better my question is how long are you going to be better?  I sustain a relationship with my mother because we have a biological connection, if she were not my mom I would have nothing to do with her.  I will forever protect  myself and my children from her illness.  I have lived through her many attempts on her life.  I have put up with her physical and mental abuse to the point I will not be a victim ever again.  I can tell after reading the message boards that they need family support, but why?  Why be there for them.  At some point you have to get off the rollarcoaster ride and not allow yourself to be sucked up in their sickness.  I do not believe the out look is good for those who suffer. 

KRW 

  

When I first read this post I was greatly offended. I am a bipolar wife and mother still struggling with the correct medication, although I feel it's working this time. Then I thought, this woman's post is an example of the aftermath this illness leaves in the lives of those who live with or around the bipolar person. This illness does not only greatly effect the person but the people around him/her too. Greatly. I can tell in her post that there is great pain caused by bipolar. She seems to have a bitterness and has lost hope. This is why not only do bipolars need to seek treatment, but the family as well. Family members need therapy and/or support groups to learn about the illness, red flag warnings, what to do in crisis, and to be around others who share their feelings. Successful treatment needs to include the entire family.  

 

If you read this KRW, some of the beliefs you have are false. There is hope. Bipolar is a very treatable disorder if diagnosed correctly and the patient has a good psychiatrist and therapist to work everything out. I was misdiagnosed for 3 years and on the wrong medication that hurt me more than the disorder did. Now, however, I have my correct diagnosis and am on Lithium and although I can't say I am completely stable, I am a better wife and mother than I ever was and better than some of those I know who are not mentally ill. To answer your question, no bipolar knows how long they will be "better". Everyone is different. Many will go years, many years, of stability then something like menopause will trigger an episode. There is no cure, a bipolar is always a bipolar, but when a situation like this happens usually just a tweak in medication is all that is needed.  

 

My point is there is hope. There are many other chronic illnesses that are much harder to treat. But its up to your mother and her doctors to make that happen.  

 

I personally would not want a cure. Yes its hell when untreated, however, I have something unique that many others do not. I truely believe my bipolar is responsible for my creativity and the ADHD is responsible for my intelligence. I have different perspectives than others in my life and can accomplish many things they can only dream about.  

 
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March 14, 2006, 8:23 pm PST

Bi-polar - Damned If I Do ... Damned If I Don't :o(

To me being bi-polar is; 

 

Being trapped within a box, afraid to run out and play in the world, yet yearning to be asked to join in, but ashamed to accept any invitations to enjoy life for fear that I will only self sabotage the event I try to be apart of and only succeed in re-enforcing the negative options others already have about me and my illness ........... 

 

 

Bi-polar has sentenced me to a life time of turmoil, chaos, pain & disappointments. 

  

The best I have managed,  at best a couple of days in a row,  is a calming, a hey life's alright period of time in which you realize what other people get to enjoy and you hold on to the belief that there is hope for everyone, even for me, only to come to reality that it was just the calm before the storm and the world errupts once again, as that, " I new it felt too good to be real feeling "  fades away .............     :o(       and I am left wondering if my entire life is destined til the end of time to this world of unpredictablity ..........     and I quickly decide that it is safer to hide away yet another day safe in your box. 

  

The box, your mind, your emotions, your home, your world,  you hate it sooo, you want to escape, but no one understands,  no one can keep up, no one knows what you want, how to please you, you don't know what you want, another day goes by, still as lost as yesturday    :o( 

  

I hide away in my home (my box) most of my days and wish to be like others, I wish to be more like my Husband, God Bless Him, I want to go out and have fun, I want to laugh and play, I want to have friends, and places to go, and things to see, but I am miserable, and moody, and impatient with the world, so it is safer for me to stay inside, where I can concentrate on putting up with myself, as even when I am alone I hate my world, I hate myself, and my life !  

  

My Prayer for All of US !!!!        A Cure, A Med, A Proceedure to stabilize our minds & emotions. 

  

May God Bless Everyone. 

  

  

Katherine 

 
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March 14, 2006, 11:39 pm PST

head trauma also related to extreme highs and lows?

I must admit - I don't really know anybody with bi-polar but for some reason I was drawn into the show that day (must confess I'm not a "faithful" watcher)  I was totally blown away towards the end of the show when you showed the tests with the Brain Matters Clinic and what they found out about the guy with bi-polar.  We have been going through a very difficult and frustrating process with our 8 year old daughter over the past four years - she suffered (in my opion) a pretty serious head injury when she was almost 3 years old - we have experienced the extreme highs and lows, major moodswings (at times a total loss of control) with her and have now found over the past few years since she has started school that she has a pretty significant learning disorder diagnosed as an "optical motor dysfunction".  I felt as a parent we were not heard by doctors that there was something wrong - it was passed off as behavior - growing phase -whatever -  and were told if she really had a significant head injury she would have been in a coma, or they would have found something more in the ER -Last year she was finally tested and agreed that something was maybe wrong - we went to the public school and had her tested and they agreed she has a learning disorder.  She is atleast now getting visual therapy, and has had neropsychological testing, and is getting help at school.  The frustration is no one can seem to tell us if this is from TBI - Watching the show and seeing that they were able to tell from the bi-polar guy that he had some kind of head trauma - I'm wondering if they can help us know better what we are dealing with and if this is something we should really be looking into. We had no idead such testing was available!   I am also wondering from going through all  this how many other parents are out there with the same frustrations - just being told that you child has a learning disorder or ADD - we don't really know why and there isn't much we can do for them.  Have you ever considered doing a show on head injury or even learning disorders and brain dysfunction.  I think it would be great as it seems that medical doctors and psycologist don't seem to have much to offer to parents who have no idea how to help or ever begin to understand what their children are up against. Thanks for listening any input and advice would be great. 

 
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