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(Original Air Date: 03/07/06) Dr. Phil explores the ups and downs of bipolar disorder. This illness takes its victims on an emotional rollercoaster ride -- from elation to extreme irritability, intense rage, or devastating depression. First, Cathy was diagnosed with Bipolar II, 10 years ago and claims she goes from zero to psycho in 15 seconds. Dr. Phil takes a look at the toll her disorder takes on her two boys, and brings the family together for a dramatic moment of emotional healing. Then, during various manic episodes, Fred has stolen a taxi, crashed into a Starbucks, and climbed to the top of a church. He hears voices and believes that movie stars like Denzel Washington and Robert De Niro are talking to him through their movies. Still, Fred thinks he’s ready to move out of his parents’ house and live on his own for good … but should his family let him? Talk about the show here.

 

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August 1, 2006, 3:15 pm PDT

Thanks for your response

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I wish the best for your daughter.  I was diagnosed with this awful desease at 12 I am now 29. It took them 6 years to get to it. I was told I had depression, and a lot of other things I can't think of right now. I do hear voices bad, telling me to kill myself and my cats. Good, a family that I have created who say I am fine. Sometimes I think I can talk to different people when i'm alone, including celeberties. I once told someone I knew where BIin-laden is. I lost that friend that night. It's hard for me to work because I go off on people, I never hit them just yell and swear. I lost several jobs over this. I do take my meds but it doesn't seem to help. I hurt myself and sometimes ( a lot) and try to commit suicide. I do hope you watch your daughter for any signs of problems.

My daughter goes off on people all the time. It just seems I am the target most of the time. I love her with all my heart. I divorced her father when she was just two years old. I remarried and my husband has been a great father, loving and caring. Her biological father chose not to be in the picture until her adult life. But I believe she maintains that relationship.

 

My daughter is gorgeous, very petite, and use to getting her way. She was raised in a loving home with christian morals and teachings.

 

Everyone walks on egg shells around her because no one wants her to go off on them. There is no way to describe how bad it gets. She has caused a lot of problems within our family, yet we all love her. The things she says has hurt me to the core. And not just once but over and over again. And not only me but her siblings and anyone else that she goes off on. I guess it hurts me so bad because I love her.

 

I know the disease is real, I just wonder about her diagnosis. She was given medication but doesn't have insurance so she doesn't take it anymore. 

 

I wish you well and will be praying for you. Thank you for your time.

 

Mistysmom

 
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August 1, 2006, 3:16 pm PDT

Kids Need to Live with Father-I've Lived this Hell

Kathy is my mother from down to saying "I wish you were never born" and "I can't wait until x more years and you are out of my life."  My parents were divorced and she took me on purpose to get my Dad back and turn me against him.  The lady even told me at 11 she was taking me to get my father back.  "I am going to take the one thing he has (son) and turn you against him."  Little did she know, my Dad was not present and the only thing she destroyed was our relationship.  She made me responsible for her misery and it was all her fault as "you kids ruined my life."  She had this make up world of homes of a home in Turtle Creek, European vacations, and a lifestyle that was clearly not her MISERABLE EXISTENCE.

 I have never wrote into a show but it was weird going back to the future.  Every day was avoiding land mines of temper tantrums and very hateful abusive language with every other day full of slaps, bare bottom spankings with a belt (as a teenage boy to laugh at my "bare ass") and the occasional black eye if I let my guard down when she went into a temper attack.  This woman did everything she could to continually humiliate and belittle me.  I could take the physical abuse as I knew nothing else than getting the crap beat out of me every other day.  But, the most challenging was the mental games she played on a daily basis.  And, then the one day a week where she was my friend and played me like I had no sense of humor.  "Come on, can't you take it, what kind of man are you?" 

Fortunately, after three years and by the age of 14 I begged to go live with my father.  I was getting older and I could play mental games back.  One sister left at 13 as she was the same size and finally hit her back, she was gone within a week of THE BIG FIGHT.  At 14, I would just do the role playing and say "I don't know, maybe you're right, maybe I will get a girl pregnant and leave her and be a drunk and be married three times, etc."  It infuriated her when I could mentally fight back and mirror her ignorant tirades.  We did not speak after 17 as she told me I would never graduate from college and my life would lead to meaningless low paying jobs, drug abuse and broken relationships as I had nothing to offer the world.  She even told my brother and I we would be better off if we committed suicide.  Coincidently, my brother never graduated from college, has low paying jobs, and tried to commit suicide at 30.  I was fortunate enough to only live with her for three years.  My grades went from Bs and Cs to Fs and Ds and barely passing.  I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO MISERABLE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, IT WAS LIVING HELL.

I went onto a very good University and Six Figure Job.  And, the drug talk always kept me away from even experimenting with drugs in college.  I did not speak with her from 17 to 25.  Later, we agreed to boundaries of what she could and could not criticize in my life which she ultimately betrayed and we are cordial every two years at functions but do not have a relationship.  How does this relate to these teenage men?  It is not coincidental that neither my brother or I have ever married and we are in our mid 30s.  Having such an abusively toxic woman has prevented my brother and I from allowing us to fully commit to a lifetime relationship.  The theme of my mother's depression was how my father ruined her life and we had better never ruin a woman's life. 

Well, I have never ruined a woman's life.  Now, I get that it's not about men and woman but people that have issues.  I have been in love a few times and it always ends as friends.  Most woman I date are very loving and nurturing.  I have been straight with every woman and they know I can only keep it light.  The continual abuse has turned me into the scared dog that runs underneath the couch when there is arguing.  Every girl would say I am a nice guy and never show anger but it's been an issue as I can never "work" on the relationship.  I only have so much to give and there is no fight left in me.

I focused on my career well into my early thirties.  One valuable lesson was to never marry in your twenties as you might grow out of the relationship and have a psycho ex.  I've realized that I may never be able to trust and marry a woman after my time with this toxic relationship.  I can see myself in the sons as they are trying to be polite but really don't like this woman.  They love the mother out of pity and because she's the mother.  Still, they are getting smart enough to know this is not normal and the pendulum will shift and they may resent this woman.  The sons are distancing them self and walking on egg shells to prevent this toxic woman from erupting.  They may develop these coping skills and never be able to open up to another woman for fear of the continual rejection and abuse from Kathy.  My brother is the opposite and he does not even have relationships because he ERUPTS with anger.  I think this was learned behavior but he is smart enough and has always lived alone for the past 15 years.

I would recommend getting these two young men out of her home immediately.  They need to be with the father and have a friend relationship with Kathy.  Kathy is making these guys pay the price for her unhappiness and I speak from experience.  If you take everything out of these guys now, they are going to have nothing to give to another woman later in life.  Kathy can try to turn over a new leaf but what she really needs is to be ALONE.  She will continue to disrespect her sons and when they process this abusive relationships as adults and how it will effect life decisions, they will resent her for having to make decisions in life UNDER DURESS.  If you guys are reading this, pack your bags and leave your Mother now.  This woman will effect your ability to trust woman in the future and have a healthy normal loving relationship everyone deserves to have in life.
 
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August 1, 2006, 3:16 pm PDT

This show only highlights the extremes of Bipolar Disorder

I was diagnosed bipolar 10 years ago. I felt  that after todays show I could not sit here and let the sterotype continue without comment. Granted that many of those who suffer from bipolar illness do exhibit the same behaviors and symptoms as these 2 individuals on the program today however.........and this is what was upsetting is that this only showed one spectrum of the disorder. Not everyone exhibits these same symptoms and that there are many who, once stabilized on meds and therapy can have a "normal" appearing life. Not informing the public that there are many people like your neighbor next door, or your childs Little League coach, or your pastor could be bipolar and you never would have guessed it because of the sterotype. I happen to be one of them. My neighbors don't know, my church doesn'tt know, the school system which I had taught didn't know, all my children don't know.  People only see and hear about those who exhibit the extremes and they don't realize there is a whole other side of this disorder. Even when informing the public about the extreme highs and lows one needs also to inform them that there is a whole other side to being bipolar. If one does not inform the public as to all sides of bipolar illness, then one  is allowing the stereotype/the stigma to flourish.

 
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August 1, 2006, 3:17 pm PDT

bipolar-personalitydisorder

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Often times, people with Borderline Personality Disorder and Bipolarism are misdiagnosed., For example, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder when actually I have borderline personality disorder. It is nothing to write home about either. I don't have a friend in the world. I have no family of my own and no friends. I get too angry with friends and they cut me off completely. It is extremely depressing. I feel sick every time I think about how I raged on to someone. Now I am paying the price for this illness. I am on holidays right now and haven't left the house or socialized. I feel like this is going to kill me. In many ways its similar to Bipolar Disorder and that runs in my family as well. I don't have psychotic episodes like this guest appears to experience but my life feels like a waste of time and am told this illness can be managed but not cured. It's the worst, shameful thing that could ever have happened to me. I hate it and ending up hating myself. Shame! Shame! Shame! That is all I deal with.......Life sucks!  I'm close to 50 and have nobody or nothing. I don't know why I am still alive.
 Hi, I have been diagnosed with bipolar and add disorder, i know how you feel, im doing pretty good right now but i've had my ups and downs,i don't have many friends,and dpn't live close to my family.And yes you can get really discouraged at times. Are you currently tajing meds? They seem to help me but i have my good days and bad days,i know when im not doing well, i know some of my triggers and then i call my phyciatrist and get into see him as soon as i can.If you need a friend my e-mail address is plred46@yahoo.com.I have a daughter-in-law that has bipolar and isn't on meds currently.She is trying to get ssi she has been denied 4 times and has a lawyer now/She has a terrible time with out bursts and arguing ,throwing things ect.I also know a lady that has borderline pesonality disorder and yes both illnesses can be treated but their is np cure,bedause their are abnormalities in the brain atleast with bipolar disorder and i can understand why someone would feel depreesed or even suicidal but you need to have someone to talk to then
 
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August 1, 2006, 3:19 pm PDT

bipolor disorder

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What reason would your daughter have for being mean?  Is she on drugs?  Did you raise her to value her bad behavior.  I doubt it.  She probably is bipolar if the doctor says she is.  It's more likely to get a wrong diagnosis of NOT being bipolar.
Hi, im sorry to here about your daughter.Im 42 years old and found out last year that I have bipolor. Before my family and friends said that I was just histrug,or I had my daddys tipper.But that all changed when I was put in the hospital.I dont know why but I was setting out in 20 degree weather that night.I couldnt stop crying.And I was mad at the world.Growing up I would throw fits,and would get so angery.So I know what your going through.I wish there was somekind of mircal drug out there,but there anit.Ive,been married for 20 years.And love my husbend with all of my heart,but I dont think he understands how I feel .Hes very sweet and all,but how can he understand,when I dont understand myself!!! I just wish My mom would have carried me to a Dr. when I was young. Maybe I would be a better person,now and when my children was growing up.Most days I just stay in bed till 1 or 2 in the afternoon,so I want have to face the world.I would
 
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August 1, 2006, 3:22 pm PDT

bipolor disorder

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What reason would your daughter have for being mean?  Is she on drugs?  Did you raise her to value her bad behavior.  I doubt it.  She probably is bipolar if the doctor says she is.  It's more likely to get a wrong diagnosis of NOT being bipolar.
Hi, im sorry to here about your daughter.Im 42 years old and found out last year that I have bipolor. Before my family and friends said that I was just histrug,or I had my daddys tipper.But that all changed when I was put in the hospital.I dont know why but I was setting out in 20 degree weather that night.I couldnt stop crying.And I was mad at the world.Growing up I would throw fits,and would get so angery.So I know what your going through.I wish there was somekind of mircal drug out there,but there anit.Ive,been married for 20 years.And love my husbend with all of my heart,but I dont think he understands how I feel .Hes very sweet and all,but how can he understand,when I dont understand myself!!! I just wish My mom would have carried me to a Dr. when I was young. Maybe I would be a better person,now and when my children was growing up.Most days I just stay in bed till 1 or 2 in the afternoon,so I want have to face the world.I would like to have people to take to that has depression, and bipolor!!! I feel like ,I have knoeone. Thanks   Beth
 

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August 1, 2006, 3:23 pm PDT

Biploar Sucks!!!

I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder just over a year ago, and it really sucks not being in control of your emotions. I have been treated for Depression for about six years before finally being diagnosed with Bipolar. I have been in the mental hospital twice for attempted suicide. I am currently taking medications, but they don't seem to work. When I tell the doctor this, he seems to think that I am just trying to get something "stronger." The fact is, I am trying to get something stronger because what I am taking isn't working. I feel like my mood swings are more frequent and getting stronger as the days go on. It is difficult coping with this when people do not understand what is going on. I still don't completely understand, and I have done a lot of research on Bipolar. I guess it would be nice to have some kind of support group where we can discuss the issues that come up with Bipolar disorder. I wish that everyone with Bipolar could have one of those brain-scans done because I think it would help to pin-point the broblem areas of each individual brain. I guess that will be put on my wish list. Thanks for listening.

 

-Jessica, TN

 
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August 1, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

Child of Bi Polar Mother

I am the product of a Rapid Cycling Bi Polar mother, 6 years ago i was diagnosed as manic depressive. I understand how the children on today's show feel as i was raised by a single mother who was either working all the time or locked in her room. When i was growing up my mother held 2 or 3 jobs at a time because my father was not around alot and when he was he didn't help out. When she was working i would do the cleaning and laundry and it was never quite good enough. I have never been good enough, or at least that is the way i have always felt with her. My mother quit taking her medication three and a half years ago and for a while things were okay, we had a deal that if I was getting out of control she would tell me and I would go back on my medication and if she was getting out of control I would tell her and she would go back on her medication, now I realize with her illness this should have never been the case, I should have insisted upon her remaining on her medication, but growing up the way that I did, I am still scared to death of my mother. When we moved to Wa state 7 years ago she moved in with us and has been there ever since, the last 6-9 months have been the worst that I have ever encountered with my mother. She has in the last 4 days moved out of my house and got herself a job and her own apartment and I'm hoping that things can get better between us, and that maybe one day I will be good enough for her, but I don't know that that can ever happen. I know that my childhood was not the greatest living with her in the condition that she was in, and being a mom myself I would hope that I would never put my daughter in that situation and that I could be a better mother, but I feel like I have already failed at that because I have exposed my daughter to this already, my daughter is very smart beyond her 8 years and I know that the last 6-9 months have affected her very much. I love my mother, and I know that I have an obligation to keep my daughter away from a situation that could harm her either physically or emotionally or even mentally, but at the same time I felt I had an obligation to my mother and couldn't just tell her to pack all of her stuff and leave my house. My feeling of not being good enough has also come from things that my mother has said to me, for example my entire life when I would say " I love you mom" the response that I would get from her would be "Whatever" or "no one loves me" or something along those lines. Now being an adult and having the somewhat thick skin that I have developed over the years that is one comment that still cuts me right to the bones. Hearing that my whole life dropped my self esteem off of the radar completely as a child and teenage, and hasn't done much for my self esteem as an adult either. I would like to know how to change my thoughts about myself and how to get past the feelings of not being good enough.

 

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August 1, 2006, 3:34 pm PDT

I agree.

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I was diagnosed bipolar 10 years ago. I felt  that after todays show I could not sit here and let the sterotype continue without comment. Granted that many of those who suffer from bipolar illness do exhibit the same behaviors and symptoms as these 2 individuals on the program today however.........and this is what was upsetting is that this only showed one spectrum of the disorder. Not everyone exhibits these same symptoms and that there are many who, once stabilized on meds and therapy can have a "normal" appearing life. Not informing the public that there are many people like your neighbor next door, or your childs Little League coach, or your pastor could be bipolar and you never would have guessed it because of the sterotype. I happen to be one of them. My neighbors don't know, my church doesn'tt know, the school system which I had taught didn't know, all my children don't know.  People only see and hear about those who exhibit the extremes and they don't realize there is a whole other side of this disorder. Even when informing the public about the extreme highs and lows one needs also to inform them that there is a whole other side to being bipolar. If one does not inform the public as to all sides of bipolar illness, then one  is allowing the stereotype/the stigma to flourish.

I also didn't like the fact that they only showed the manic part of the disorder. I suffer from both the manic and depressive. I think (for me) it is more frightening to be going through a depressive episode. I have tried to committ suicide twice and (thankfully) was taken to the hospital and then to the mental hospital. I have known others whom suffered from Bipolar that (like you said) live a normal life. I only hope to find this peacefullness in my life. I am still trying to maintain my mood swings and find the right medications and/or treatment. Thanks for sharing this hope of a normal life and good luck.

 

-Jessica, TN

 
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August 1, 2006, 3:37 pm PDT

bipolar

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I hope that Dr Phil addresses the financial burden associated with a mental illness.  Even though I 

am insured, there is still a problem with parity in insurance.  Most insurance pays for only a very 

small portion of treatment, especially if you don't  choose a therapist in their network.  I have been 

to plenty of therapists and phychaitrists.  It is in my best interest to see the person who is the most 

effective in treating me, as apposed to someone in the network who isn't as effective. 

  

Most of us with mental illness require several medications.  These medications are not cheap. 

Bewteen my therapy, my medications, my phychiatrist, I spend a small fortune just to get well and 

stay well.  If I have to choose , how to I determine what to give up; should a skip a few weeks of 

therapy or give up one of my medications. 

  

I didn't ask for this disease, I didin't get it because of a character flaw or because I did something wrong or bad.  I have the misfortune of  bad genes and a phathological childhood; neither of 

which is my fault. 

  

I am committed to healing myself and my children.  My 15 year old daughter is suffering from 

depression.  She is on medication and in therapy.  I have passed on my flawed genes and 

disfunctional behavior just as it was passed on to me.  It stops here and it stops now. 

My parents ignored my problems/issues. I will not do this.  My children and I deserve better. 

We deserve to live a life where our gifts can be nourchured and  our souls can shine. We deserve 

to live a life free of depression so deep it steals away your spirit and mania that steals your mind. 

  

I have been handed this HORRIBLE situation and I have passed it on to the people I love the most. 

I am trying so hard to heal us and treat us but the cost of this makes it very difficult and adds  

substantial stress. 

  

 Hi you didn't say if you are married or not. I have bipolar 11 disorder and go to a mental health facility. I do work but i am not married and they go by your income on how much they charge you per visit for seeing a therapist or a phyciatrist. I get my add medicine through a pharmacudacle company along with other meds through patient assistance programs my add medicine only costs me 5.00 a month.And i get my other meds for free.Hopefully you can contact a mental health facility in your area and cal them and see what srvices they have to offer you,tell them you have no other insurance. i am paying 35.00 a visit to see my phiciatrist once every three months. Good luck to you and i hope i have been of some help to you.    Pat
 
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