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Topic : 03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

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The letters keep coming in! Dr. Phil revisits the controversial topic of what defines the role of a wife. Ken thinks his wife, Diana, is lazy because she can't keep the house up to his standard of cleanliness. Ken works two jobs and keeps his spouse financially comfortable but doesn't understand why Diana, a stay-at-home mom, can't keep a cleaner house. Diana is pregnant with their third child in five years and says she's doing the best she can. Then, meet "Anne," who performs nude shows online to bring home the bacon. Her husband, "Rob," disapproves of his wife's method of income, but he hasn't stopped her from doing it. Now that Anne has had an affair with one of her customers, is it too late to save their marriage? Share your thoughts.

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March 27, 2006, 11:00 pm PST

Amen!

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Did it occur to you that no one is really in your house all day long? So what you are cleaning doesn't compare to what these other women are cleaning. If no one is using your toilet all day long then you probably only have to clean it once or twice a month...Where as I have to clean mine 2-3 times a week, with a daily wipe down.

Toys aren't all over your house, under the couch, thrown down the stairs over gaurd rails all day long repeatedly. That just happens in the evening when they are home. You don't have kids making smudge marks on EVERYTHING all day long, only part of the day. You don't have dishes from lunch everyday.

Your work load is smaller, you must admit that.

I don't like to start SAHM vs Working Mom fights, but you pay your daycare well for a reason...It's very very hard work!
That was exactly what I wanted to say! This isn't us vs. them, but when it comes to staying home it works like a 24-hour restaurant. When I used to wait tables on the graveyard shift we had to do our sidework while the new shift had already started. Needles to say that as I was stocking and cleaning, people were using and messing up right behind me. The restaurant has to close with no one in it to do anything but clean in order to catch up. Since SAH's kids are always home they do not ever catch up. I cook 3 meals a day plus snacks. That's a ton of dishes that a daycare has MULTIPLE people on staff to clean. There is only one me. My kids tear up the house behind me as I clean from room to room. I have to clean and supervise the kids. Daycares have more than one person so they can spread out duties. Home daycares where on person runs care are as messy as any SAH's house if the the daycare provider has their own children. If not, that provider has the luxory of all children leaving every day so they can clean uninterrupted. I think SAH's get the division of labor shaft quite often. Husband/wife works all day and COMES HOME. They are free from work. The SAH should be free from work as well and duties of the home should be divided at quitting time. The working partner often seems to feel superior to the SAH as if by being at home your job is easy. Being a SAH IS work, if you didn't do it you would pay someone else to! Thanks for putting that so well!
 
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March 27, 2006, 11:10 pm PST

Right On!

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Ken, why did you get married?  You made it real clear that you don't want to be at home with your wife and children.  You can't even stand being alone with your kids for three hours!  And you think you're doing nothing wrong?  Your wife and children need to know that you love and support them.  It takes more than money to be a real man and father.  Believe me, when your kids grow up the main thing they will remember is that you were never there for them or for their mother, and they'll resent you for it.  If you don't change, you're going to end up lonely and broke.
I agree.  He needs to acknowledge and change his behavior, or get out. 
 
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March 27, 2006, 11:14 pm PST

Priorities

This was a very difficult day.  I learned today that a high school friend lost his wife and 3 children in a horrific traffic accident.  His wife also went to school with us.  This was a great family and this tragic event has weighed heavy on my heart.  Shortly after hearing this sad news I watched the Dr. Phil show and it broke my heart to see this family focusing on so many things that just don't matter.  Perhaps the husband can reflect for a moment on what my friend must be going through as of last night he is left with no family.  You have a beautiful amazing wife and 2 beautiful children and another on the way.  Please, please look inside yourself and realize what your priorities really should be.  I thought it was interesting that the husband stated that he's not happy, and after hearing his story I know why.  His priorities are so mixed up, how could he be happy.  All those material things just don't matter.  He is missing out on his childrens lives.  Nobody needs that much stuff.  My husband and I have chosen careers that allow us to work at home, and believe me money is way down on our priority list.  We treasure the time we are able to spend together and with our children.  We have 3 precious children who have grown up in a loving home where we treated each other with love and respect.  That's what life is all about...FAMILIES....All that stuff will not mean anything down the road, but I promise that man, he will absolutely feel regret someday because he chose things over his family.  Instead of coming home each day and noticing all the things that aren't done, start noticing the things that are done and I promise life will get much better.  My sweet husband is constantly telling me how much he appreciates every little thing I do and it only makes me want to do more for him and our family.  That's how it works and you're trying to fix something by doing the exact opposite of what would actually make you and your wife happier.  Imagine how much more she would love you if you supported her instead of criticizing her.  Just take a moment and put yourself in her place, how would it feel if every single day of your life someone was standing behind you criticizing you.  Takes on a different light if you can truly imagine yourself being treated the way you treat her.  I think happiness is there for your family, the question is are you willing to grab it and embrace it?  It's up to you, and I hope that you can realize what really matters in life before it's too late for you because you never know when life can change drastically in a split second.  Cherish your family, for that is the one and only thing that can bring you true happiness.  
 

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March 27, 2006, 11:20 pm PST

I know what you mean

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I've been watching the shows this week about "The Perfect Wife" and I just cannot stay quiet any longer!  These men are way out there, and I'm shocked since they are so young!  Is the world taking a step backwards in equality??  These men think they EMPLOY these women, not treating them as an equal partner.  Sounds to me like these men got married to have someone have their children and then take care of them for them, not to have a partner to enjoy the kids with and grow old with.   All they really want is a maid, not a wife!  Since when in the last decade or two (or three!) did the definition of "wife" been described as cleaning woman(the house isn't clean enough), babysitter (because the men choose to work over 100 hours a week), laundry service (make sure his shirts are hung exactly this way or that way AFTER doing laundry for 3 young kids and herself); and not just a cook, but a GREAT cook EVERY DAY!!!  What century are these men living in?!?!?!  And when are they going to take a look at themselves and see none of them come even close to being "good" husbands, let alone "great" husbands! 

I've got a solution to the whole problem....make the men stay home with the kids all those hours they would normally be gone every single day for a whole week!!  Let's see them deal with the kids, cleaning (which I'm sure they haven't even got a clue what just cleaning involves, dusting, sweeping, mopping, vaccuming, scrubing, should I go on??), laundry (folding, hanging up, putting away, starting all over again), dressing the kids (I'll bet none of these men have ever changed a diaper), feeding the kids (how many times a day?), grocery shopping, and all the other shopping that must be done such as for clothes, shoes, household items, cooking at least three meals a day (and probably more for whenever these men decide to come home during their whole 4 hours of being home), keeping the kids busy and entertained (taking them for walks, to the playground), picking up toys on a constant basis, breaking up fights between the kids....should I go on? I am already tired and we haven't even gotten through one full day yet!!! 

C'mon Dr. Phil, why haven't you suggested this and made these men (although I have a more realistic word for them...ungrateful chauvanist pigs) learn to appreciate what their wives do the hard way?!  I'm disappointed in you Dr. Phil.  I thought for sure you would think of this to put them in their place, to learn to appreciate all that these women do every single day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Please, PLEASE Dr. Phil, do it.  They won't even come close to what their wives accomplish.  And hopefully it will make their wives learn they don't need to meet someone else's ridiculous expectations to be someone good.   

My little brothers are single (24 and 26, around here a lot of people are married by that age) and my father talks about what kind of women they should marry all the damn time.

He suggests to them constantly that they should never marry american women, they are too independant and feminist. He thinks they should go to countries where the women are more subservient to find find wives.

I wonder what year it is when I hear these conversations. My father also has a lot of opinions on how a wife should behave. Cooking, cleaning and sex. He's one of those guys who thinks a woman should roll over and have sex everytime the man wants whether or not the woman is in the mood or not. And he actually said to my brother the other day: "Marry a woman who loves you more then you love her."

Seriously people, on a side note, if you want to raise a feminist daughter then act like my father...
 
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March 27, 2006, 11:32 pm PST

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

Ok I'm sorry to all the wife's out there but I really gotta stick up for the husband. The poor guy work's long hard hour's. He's out there protecting US!!! I've been pregnant 3 times and being pregnant does not mean you crippled. It's not hard to have a clean house and take care of the kid's. Everyone is sticking up for her when we should really be encouraging her. She could kill two bird's with one stone by cleaning, not only will her house be clean but she could burn calories at the same time. When I was pregnant I went to the gym (still) cooked every week day and cleaned all the time. Being a housewife you have the ability to do all those things! My gosh she has a beautiful house,car,purse,and husband why would'nt she be trying harder. It's really not that hard it's all about routine! 

 
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March 27, 2006, 11:41 pm PST

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

I've known a man like this all my life. He hasn't changed in 75 years. He expected his wife to keep the house neat as a pin while recovering from a cesearean. I will tell you that Ken is miserable inside. He can't and probably won't ever enjoy his life. He will never come home with joy in his heart. He is the kind of person that begins to fume as he is driving home. Diana never has a chance. Before she ever sees him, he will have begun his mental list of what to look for that is wrong.  He is an extreme type "A" personality. Everyone that is going on and on about whether or not Diana is lazy is missing the bigger picture. When the kids are old enough to be responsible for themselves he will move on to them and he will be as belittling and angry as he is with Diana. When Diana corrected her laundry behavior and began hanging up the clothes, he then told her they were hanging wrong, once she begins hanging them properly, he will move on to the order they are hung or the types of hangers she uses. He is the type of person that will never be happy because there is something wrong within him that will not allow him to ever relax and just enjoy his life. Yes, I bet some days Diana could do a better job with the house but I bet there are days that Ken could do better at work. I doubt his boss yells at him with F*** and other curse words when he has those days.  Also, if Diana is so terrible, why does he keep knocking her up? The point that I am having a hard time putting into words is that Ken is a miserable man. I really don't think he can help being such a jerk. I wouldn't call him O/C but I think that he is pretty out there with the control. As we watched the show we totally could see the man in our family in Ken. They were EXACTLY the same. The man we knew had a wife that was an exquisite housekeeper, a true 100% perfectionist and it was NEVER, EVER enough. She NEVER got it right once in 50 YEARS of marriage!  Ken's blood pressure is probably insane and his teeth are probably grinding constantly. The man we knew would come through the door, fists clenched tightly and notice all wrongs within seconds. He would stand at the kid's doors and rage at them to clean. If the wife had the house spotless her would then complain that she had bought the wrong vodka or wrong toilet paper! If Ken is not upset about cleanliness it will be something else. It will be a light left on in the bathroom or a dripping faucet. It will be a cobweb in the corner or a stain on the rug, a chipped brick in the driveway, paint chipped off on the deck or a dinner not made to perfection. If Diana got a job and hired a cleaning staff he would only berate her for having to hire them at all. I can only imagine the health problems Ken has. I hope Ken takes the counseling because there can be little love from a wife and kids that have to tiptoe on eggshells around their dad. He will be resented and hated by his kids if he doesn't change. Ken cannot feel good inside to feel compelled to pick and pick like this. I feel like all the focus on the cleaning/SAH crap was so stupid because it wasn't the real issue. I am glad that Dr. Phil offered them counseling because those he is a complete jerk to his wife, he is miserable inside to. Just imagine never being able to enjoy your wife or kids, that a friggin' CHEERIO can ruin your whole day! I feel sorry for all of them and I hope Dr' Phil has them back so we can see if they get some help!
 
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March 28, 2006, 12:13 am PST

Right On, Sprucyd!

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I've been watching the shows this week about "The Perfect Wife" and I just cannot stay quiet any longer!  These men are way out there, and I'm shocked since they are so young!  Is the world taking a step backwards in equality??  These men think they EMPLOY these women, not treating them as an equal partner.  Sounds to me like these men got married to have someone have their children and then take care of them for them, not to have a partner to enjoy the kids with and grow old with.   All they really want is a maid, not a wife!  Since when in the last decade or two (or three!) did the definition of "wife" been described as cleaning woman(the house isn't clean enough), babysitter (because the men choose to work over 100 hours a week), laundry service (make sure his shirts are hung exactly this way or that way AFTER doing laundry for 3 young kids and herself); and not just a cook, but a GREAT cook EVERY DAY!!!  What century are these men living in?!?!?!  And when are they going to take a look at themselves and see none of them come even close to being "good" husbands, let alone "great" husbands! 

I've got a solution to the whole problem....make the men stay home with the kids all those hours they would normally be gone every single day for a whole week!!  Let's see them deal with the kids, cleaning (which I'm sure they haven't even got a clue what just cleaning involves, dusting, sweeping, mopping, vaccuming, scrubing, should I go on??), laundry (folding, hanging up, putting away, starting all over again), dressing the kids (I'll bet none of these men have ever changed a diaper), feeding the kids (how many times a day?), grocery shopping, and all the other shopping that must be done such as for clothes, shoes, household items, cooking at least three meals a day (and probably more for whenever these men decide to come home during their whole 4 hours of being home), keeping the kids busy and entertained (taking them for walks, to the playground), picking up toys on a constant basis, breaking up fights between the kids....should I go on? I am already tired and we haven't even gotten through one full day yet!!! 

C'mon Dr. Phil, why haven't you suggested this and made these men (although I have a more realistic word for them...ungrateful chauvanist pigs) learn to appreciate what their wives do the hard way?!  I'm disappointed in you Dr. Phil.  I thought for sure you would think of this to put them in their place, to learn to appreciate all that these women do every single day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Please, PLEASE Dr. Phil, do it.  They won't even come close to what their wives accomplish.  And hopefully it will make their wives learn they don't need to meet someone else's ridiculous expectations to be someone good.   

You said it ALL!!  I also watched today and felt that things were very imbalanced if the husband is working 110 hrs. a week!  Marriage IS a partnership.  The house DID look very decent for the number of kids and their ages.  And another one on the way?!  A home cannot be spotless and perfectly tidy with that many kids all the time.  I am 50 and have two teenage daughters.  Quality parenting - giving them the love and attention they need - is more important than a spotless home.  Keeping kids fed, safe, and healthy is next.  Housework can wait.  Diane's home is very nice and she does well!  Kids undo Mom's work faster than she can keep up and Mom cannot run herself into the ground trying to keep up!  He needs to accept that his ideal of the perfect home is not going to happen for a long time, unless he pitches in and reduces his working hours!  Sure - we all desire a clean, tidy, tasteful home and well-functioning household.  Before kids start school, it's hard to keep up with everything all at once 24/7!  Love, Susanpear
 
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March 28, 2006, 12:43 am PST

No She's Not!

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To who ever who wrote this, your confusing me. Even though I believe that this couple needs to sit down and talk about this issue, you are making it sound like that the children to blame for this and it also sounds like you are a controll freak. I mean I could live in a dirty house all my life and still be happy with my family. What are you getting at?

Delbie is NOT blaming the children at ALL.  She is merely stating a fact that toddlers innocently leave toys around and are messy.  That does not constitute blaming the children!  Of course the children are innocent and need love and understanding.  Delbie's message is really good advise, and it is meant for Ken and Diane - period. 

 
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March 28, 2006, 3:20 am PST

Whatever

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Did you see the pictures of the house? She obviouly does do housework, constantly, her house is cleaner than most houses I see. My impression of the babysitter is that she is there when Diana has to do errand for Ken, which I am sure she has to do a lot of because the guy works so much she has to do everything.  

I can't imagine having 2 kids, being pregnant and having to do EVERYTHING. You know, the taxes, the bills, the errands, cooking, cleaning, laundry not to mention raising the kids which takes time.  

    Whatever Ken is complaining about is a figment of his imagination which is why the majority of people who watched the show a little more closely then you obviously did believe this guys is freaking NUTS! 

If her house is cleaner than YOUR house I guess you have a problem.  The babysitter is there for WHENEVER she wants it.  Not just to runn errands.  She chose to have 2 children and one on the way.  Her job is to take care of them and the house.  It can be done.  Instead she is fat and lazy.  Sucks to be her!
 
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March 28, 2006, 3:29 am PST

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Ken this letter is to you.... 

  

I am a stay at home mommy of a 2 1/2 year old and my husband is also a full time firefighter.  I am only 23 years old but we've been married for 3 1/2 years and been together for 5 total.  I am not one to brag to much but ever since I delivered my son I have been able to maintain a very clean house, keep our family on a schedule, go to the gym, plan all meals for the month, do all shopping, cleaning, cooking, laundry (including my husbands work clothes put on the hanger correctly), take my son to gymnastics and swimming classes, and keep up with any ongoing firefighter functions all with a huge smile on my face!  I feel really bad for you!!  I know your family will have two more children then I do but you've also offered a baby sitter and cleaning help that I dont get.  Since my son has been born I've only had a sitter maybe 5 times!!!  I DO NOT think your asking your wife to do anything a normal stay at home mommy does when her husband is out providing a wonderful life for the family, and might I add your doing a great job at it.  I dont know if your wife is just plain lazy but I see your point to the end... Dr. Phil made it out for you to be the bad guy since she is pregnant..  but if her CHOSEN place is in the home there is no excusse, she needs to start pulling her weight and treating you like the good man you are!  

 I know everyone might not agree with me but hopefull Ken you'll read this letter and know that this is coming from a WOMAN who IS supporting you.  You have every right to ask these simple things of  your wife.  I hope your marriage does work out for your children but I do believe you deserve someone who does support you and keep you house the castle you expect to come home to.   

Good luck to you and your future...    

From a supporting stay at home mommy. 

You are how old....23. STill so young and immature. See what happens after you have 1 or 2 more children, and you don't sleep at night and your husband refuses to help.  What happens when you can't get to the gym, plan all your meals....etc, etc. Let's see if you still see things on Ken's side.  

 

I am wondering how long that huge smile will last....Let's hear from you in 10yrs and 3 kids later. 

 

One more question, while siding with Ken was your child napping, were you doing your chores or just sitting on the sofa eating bon bons? 

 

 
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