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Created on : Friday, March 24, 2006, 06:53:36 pm
Author : _marie_

Welcome!

 

This is a place where people of all faiths can come together and share their faith with one another, ask and answer questions and make new friends!

 

All who enter here is precious in His sight...please be mindful of that simple phrase, and all should be well!

 

God Bless!


Marie


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March 24, 2006, 7:06 pm PST

A blessing for our board...

All who enter here is precious in His sight.  You are blessed and veiled in His Divine Mercy and Protection. 

  

You are welcome here. 

  

You are loved. 

  

Peace be with you. 

  

Marie 

 
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March 24, 2006, 8:06 pm PST

I'm Sad, yet glad............

Dear Marie, 

  

Thank you for creating this board, my heart just about broke in two today after I got home from work. 

Although I will not give up on the other board, as I feel an attachment to Turtle Love, and Elffe and Momisme..........I will just do what my heart strings tell me is right. 

  

Thank you again, and God Bless your sweetness, 

  

Peace, 

  

Fredi 

 
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March 24, 2006, 8:23 pm PST

Faithful Friends

Hi Everyone.   This is cool!   Thank you Marie for creating this place, I hope you enjoyed dinner?   I'm very happy to be here.   I thought I might actually have to break down and go to church to learn more, but you have rescued me. 

  

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blcksheepy :o) 

 
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March 24, 2006, 8:55 pm PST

Faithful Friends

Big sigh...............................ahhhhhhh  :)) 

  

I am going to sleepy's now, but was waiting up to make certain that the flock was gathering, while the "shepherd" (marie you sheep farmin' rascal), is out pampering herself ;)) 

  

So good to "see" all my dear friends, gathered round!!! 

  

HUGS HUGS AND MORE HUGS in case I missed anyone! 

  

Peace, 

  

Fredi 

 
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March 24, 2006, 11:12 pm PST

You're welcome, Fredi!

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Dear Marie, 

  

Thank you for creating this board, my heart just about broke in two today after I got home from work. 

Although I will not give up on the other board, as I feel an attachment to Turtle Love, and Elffe and Momisme..........I will just do what my heart strings tell me is right. 

  

Thank you again, and God Bless your sweetness, 

  

Peace, 

  

Fredi 

My heart did too...I was so sad that things turned as they did... 

  

I won't give it up either...they are all wonderful women, and I like them a lot. 

  

Fredi...God Bless Your Sweetness... 

  

I know you by your fruit, 

  

Marie 

 
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March 24, 2006, 11:20 pm PST

Hi Blcksheepy!

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Hi Everyone.   This is cool!   Thank you Marie for creating this place, I hope you enjoyed dinner?   I'm very happy to be here.   I thought I might actually have to break down and go to church to learn more, but you have rescued me. 

  

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blcksheepy :o) 

I think it's pretty cool, too! You are most welcome.  My husband, my daughter and I thoroughly enjoyed each other's company! 

  

I'm really happy to be here, too... 

  

Make no mistake...He rescued you...HUGS! 

  

I would love to see you in a real life faith community, though, I really would.  But if it's not in your heart to do it yet, I'm glad we're here for you...all of us! 

  

May you continue to grow and love in Him...and honored to be a part of it... 

  

Marie 

 
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March 24, 2006, 11:27 pm PST

Welcome Friends...

This board feels so peaceful to me. 

  

May all of you, and all who enter in the future, grow in love in Him and one another. 

  

My daughter is out cosmic bowling.  She's with a group of friends...one of her dear girlfriends is moving to Oregon...by the time you read this message, I'm sure she'll be safe at home with me, but prayers that she is in His care would be truly appreciated. 

  

Also, my son is coming home from the dorm tomorrow morning...please pray for his safe arrival. 

  

Thanks, girls... 

  

And please...don't every hesitate to bring your intentions here...many prayers will be lifted on your behalf, I'm sure! 

  

With love, 

  

Marie <>< 

 
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March 25, 2006, 12:20 am PST

Cheryl...

I want to honor your question to me.  On the Turtle Love's board you posted: 

  

Marie,  

   

I don't doubt that you can truly feel Jesus' presence during those moments in mass, as I can feel his presence when I partake in "communion", too.  Protestants don't believe that we are "literally" eating of Jesus, or drinking of Jesus.  We are taking time out to remember what Jesus did for us and reflect on his goodness.    

   

I've been doing a little reseach on the internet (jeeez, you can find just about anything on there!) about transubstantiation and wanted to get your opinion about what I found. Here goes:  

 

Transubstantiation    

   

"During the mass, priests allegedly have the power to supernaturally turn the bread and wine into the actual and literal body and blood of Jesus Christ  

   

Since Catholicism is teaching members to partake in literal cannibalism, this doctrine requires serious examination. To begin with, we must determine this doctrine's origin. Is it from God, or is it a tradition of men? Catholicism insists it is scriptural, citing the words of Jesus in John 6 “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54  

   

Though this one verse does appear to teach cannibalism, if you read the entire passage in context, the meaning becomes clear.  Right before making that statement, Jesus said: "... For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John 6:33-35   

   

This teaching is consistent with the rest of Scripture. Eternal life comes through believing in Jesus Christ, not eating His body. The Lord goes on to further clarify: "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life..." John 6:40  Again, Jesus points out that eternal life comes through believing in Him. When the Lord's disciples murmured at His words, Jesus explained: "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63  

Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body."  

  

Respectfully,  

Cheryl  

 

I know you can find just about anything on the internet.  I know what I *feel* and I know what I *believe*, but I want to give you the straight point of view from the Catholic Church.  This is straight from the Catechism that I was taught, and my children were taught, and pretty much everyone in my family.  A family that loves one another...and in 2006 still worships together.  Grace.  God's Grace. 

  

1406 Jesus said: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; . . . he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and . . . abides in me, and I in him" (Jn 6:51, 54, 56).

1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church's life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.

1408 The Eucharistic celebration always includes: the proclamation of the Word of God; thanksgiving to God the Father for all his benefits, above all the gift of his Son; the consecration of bread and wine; and participation in the liturgical banquet by receiving the Lord's body and blood. These elements constitute one single act of worship.

1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ's Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.

1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. And it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.

1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.

1412 The essential signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last Supper: "This is my body which will be given up for you. . . . This is the cup of my blood. . . ."

1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).

1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant's union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.

1417 The Church warmly recommends that the faithful receive Holy Communion when they participate in the celebration of the Eucharist; she obliges them to do so at least once a year.

1418 Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar, he is to be honored with the worship of adoration. "To visit the Blessed Sacrament is . . . a proof of gratitude, an expression of love, and a duty of adoration toward Christ our Lord" (Paul VI, MF 66).

1419 Having passed from this world to the Father, Christ gives us in the Eucharist the pledge of glory with him. Participation in the Holy Sacrifice identifies us with his Heart, sustains our strength along the pilgrimage of this life, makes us long for eternal life, and unites us even now to the Church in heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints.

  

 

 

 
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March 25, 2006, 12:56 am PST

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I want to honor your question to me.  On the Turtle Love's board you posted: 

  

Marie,  

   

I don't doubt that you can truly feel Jesus' presence during those moments in mass, as I can feel his presence when I partake in "communion", too.  Protestants don't believe that we are "literally" eating of Jesus, or drinking of Jesus.  We are taking time out to remember what Jesus did for us and reflect on his goodness.    

   

I've been doing a little reseach on the internet (jeeez, you can find just about anything on there!) about transubstantiation and wanted to get your opinion about what I found. Here goes:  

 

Transubstantiation    

   

"During the mass, priests allegedly have the power to supernaturally turn the bread and wine into the actual and literal body and blood of Jesus Christ  

   

Since Catholicism is teaching members to partake in literal cannibalism, this doctrine requires serious examination. To begin with, we must determine this doctrine's origin. Is it from God, or is it a tradition of men? Catholicism insists it is scriptural, citing the words of Jesus in John 6 “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54  

   

Though this one verse does appear to teach cannibalism, if you read the entire passage in context, the meaning becomes clear.  Right before making that statement, Jesus said: "... For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John 6:33-35   

   

This teaching is consistent with the rest of Scripture. Eternal life comes through believing in Jesus Christ, not eating His body. The Lord goes on to further clarify: "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life..." John 6:40  Again, Jesus points out that eternal life comes through believing in Him. When the Lord's disciples murmured at His words, Jesus explained: "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63  

Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body."  

  

Respectfully,  

Cheryl  

 

I know you can find just about anything on the internet.  I know what I *feel* and I know what I *believe*, but I want to give you the straight point of view from the Catholic Church.  This is straight from the Catechism that I was taught, and my children were taught, and pretty much everyone in my family.  A family that loves one another...and in 2006 still worships together.  Grace.  God's Grace. 

  

1406 Jesus said: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; . . . he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and . . . abides in me, and I in him" (Jn 6:51, 54, 56).

1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church's life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.

1408 The Eucharistic celebration always includes: the proclamation of the Word of God; thanksgiving to God the Father for all his benefits, above all the gift of his Son; the consecration of bread and wine; and participation in the liturgical banquet by receiving the Lord's body and blood. These elements constitute one single act of worship.

1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ's Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.

1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. And it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.

1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.

1412 The essential signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last Supper: "This is my body which will be given up for you. . . . This is the cup of my blood. . . ."

1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).

1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant's union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.

1417 The Church warmly recommends that the faithful receive Holy Communion when they participate in the celebration of the Eucharist; she obliges them to do so at least once a year.

1418 Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar, he is to be honored with the worship of adoration. "To visit the Blessed Sacrament is . . . a proof of gratitude, an expression of love, and a duty of adoration toward Christ our Lord" (Paul VI, MF 66).

1419 Having passed from this world to the Father, Christ gives us in the Eucharist the pledge of glory with him. Participation in the Holy Sacrifice identifies us with his Heart, sustains our strength along the pilgrimage of this life, makes us long for eternal life, and unites us even now to the Church in heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints.

  

 

 

Cheryl... 

  

Why is it you can say some scriputre is "clear" like literally being saved through Jesus...and some scripture is not meant to be taken literally, like when I believe that we are to eat of His flesh and drink of His blood. 

  

I believe it is "clear" that God is Love, and we are saved through Love.  I can re-quote the scripture if you'd like.  You don't believe that scripture is to be take literally, as you don't believe one can be saved through Love alone. 

  

I believe some is literal...you believe some is literal. 

  

I believe some is symbolic...you believe some is symbolic. 

  

We both love Christ and are finding our salvation through Him...Yes? 

  

Respectfully, 

  

Marie <>< 

  

  

 
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March 25, 2006, 6:21 am PST

Hi, From Turtle . . .

I'm really glad to see you all followed through on my suggestion.  I have no "hard feelings" for anyone here, and on some level, I felt I was just "stating the obvious"; i.e. that you were obviously motivated to focus on an ongoing consideration of your faith and that you should honor that.  I've read the posts and I can feel the love you have for each other and I think that is a really good thing. 

I will stop in once in a while and see what you all are talking about, and please feel free to see what's "new" on the other forum as well, or just drop in to say "Hi" if you like.

Peace Be With You,

Turtle Love


 

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