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November 21, 2008, 4:47 am PST

Children In School

Ex-wife is supposely homeschooling the oldest child, age 10.  The youngest is in public school, age 7.

Now she is going to take the 7 yrs. old out of public school and home school .

The oldest can't read very well.

Dad does not want this. The children need a better education than there Mother can give them.   He wants both children in school.

How can the EX-wife be stopped from removing the youngest from school?  The child loves going to school.  The oldest has never been in school, but needs to be.

 
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February 2, 2009, 11:10 am PST

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I'm new the board and hopefully I can find some really good advise today. I'm struggling.

I have been with my husband for 10 years but we just got married last May. 3 weeks ago I found out that he had an affair with a close friend of mine. Not only did he betray me but he betrayed her husband who is also a close friend.
The day I found out I left with our 8 year old son and went to stay at my moms. I stayed there from Thursday to the next Sunday when he finally indicated that he wanted to try and work through the issues and asked me to come home. I was gone again by the next Friday after we both admitted to each other that we weren't in love anymore. I stayed the weekend and then decided that I was sick of being the one to leave my own house when he's the one that had the affair. So I went home on Sunday and told him, if you want to be here then you be here but there are changes that need to be made if you're going to stay, otherwise you know where the door is.  Well the story could be a lot longer, I will spare you all the gory details but bottom line is,  he left . Friday at 2 am. He hasn't called one time time check on his son. He left me with $25 cash and has not answered any of my phone calls or text messages.
The marital problems are bad enough but I know we need to be seperated right now. I'm fine with that. It's the way he is treating his son that I'm so frustrated and angry about and how he's left me with all the bills.
I'm just wondering if anyone else has been through something simular and has advice on how I should deal with my son, how I answer his "where is daddy" questions.
 
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February 11, 2009, 7:09 am PST

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Really long one, sorry.
My daughter is 10 years old. Her father and I split when she was 14 months old. I don't think he was ever really interested in having a relationship with her, however his mother was. Before I left I told him and his mother the I was willing to work out some sort of visiting agreement with them.  Apparently that was not good enough, so the day I left, he filed for full custody. When all of the court proceedings where said and done I have full custody and he has visitation. Throughout the next several years he has popped in and out of her life whenever he has wanted to. There have been times that she has returned in another child's dirty clothes and has not had a bath or brushed hair or teeth the whole time she was gone, other times when she has come back with burns around her mouth and bruises on the backs of her legs (all documented by the proper agencies), I have called her during visits and she tells me that she could not wake him up that morning (passed out on something) he spent time in jail (on drug and DUI charges) and rehab, and he has simply disappeared and had no explanation for where he was. All of this time I have never spoken an ill word about him in front of or to my daughter. When his mother moved away from him, he pretty much stopped calling to get her, so I tried to do visitation just with his mother. His mother tends to manipulate my daughter so that when she comes back we have some issues. She also returned her with sunburn after sunburn, after I sent sunscreen and begged her to put it on her. The last straw with her was when she returned my daughter with a severe second degree burn that she received no medical treatment for, that she did not inform me of, and she tried to extend the visit to hide it from me. I can not trust her either. After dealing with them now for 12 years, I know how manipulative they can be. Over the past two years he has called saying that he wants to "do better" I have talked to him about how he does not have much time, right now she is still okay but soon she will resent this. So he does well for a couple of months and then he disappears for 6 months when he reappears, him and his girlfriend broke up and he was depressed and blah, blah. He has never been interested in her school work, report cards, extracurricular activities. Last summer she wanted to play softball, but I told her that she could not because we had a busy summer planned. The real reason was because of planning camp I have to call him in April to plan summer visitation, he asked me if he could get her for several weeks during the summer. He disappeared, he did not get her once, NEVER EVEN CALLED. In September '08 he saw her for the first time in 6 months. During that visit he took her to a party at his brother's where he got drunk, woke her up at 2 a.m. and passed out and she could not wake him up. Between that visit and the next we had a discussion about him not drinking while she is there. When I took her for the next visit in October I arrived to drop her off at his house and he smelled like beer. I did not want to fight in front of my child so I left her there but called her a couple of hours later. When I asked him about drinking he starting yelling and acting irate. I told him that I was coming back to pick her up. When I got to his house, his mother (who has now moved back near him) showed up and brought the police with her. She thought the police would make me leave. They gave him a breathalyzer and he blew a .20, which is almost three times the legal limit to drive. They informed him that if they had shown up and he was there alone with his daughter in that condition that it would have been reason for them to remove her. They let me take her that night but advised me from a legal standpoint to allow him to reschedule the visit. I did. He had his normal Thanksgiving and Christmas visit and then he was gone again. He called at the end of January and told her he was going to get her in February. He hasn't seen her since December 27th. His court ordered weekend would be February 13-15, in order to get her, he is supposed to call the Monday before to let me know that he intends to get her so that I don't make plans to "make up" for that fact that he is not getting her. All weekend February 6-8 my daughter was telling me and my husband and my parents, "You know I won't be here for Valentine's Day because I'm going to my dad's house next weekend". Guess what? He did not call. This used to not be a big deal to my daughter, it did not seem to visibly bother her that he disappeared, broke promises, did not call, did not get her. But now, she is really upset. Forever, every time that this has happened, I have always led her to believe that either he was working or they have led her to believe that it is my fault. She is getting older and she is so smart. The only time that I have ever said anything about her father to her was the night I took her from his house, I told her that he was drunk and that is why I picked her up. Because he told her that this was all mommy's fault because mommy was stupid and a bi*%$ and over reacting, and that was all he said to her before I got there to pick her up. I would never try to change her view of her father. But I don't know what to tell her this time. She was waiting for him to call. She asked me after school Monday, that night before she went to bed, after school yesterday, and then again when I got home last night if he had called. I asked her if she wanted to call him. She said no. I don't know what to do. She has terrific male role models in her life, my husband is her daddy, she will tell you that, and my father is and has always been there for her. But none of us can do enough to make her feel wanted where her father makes her feel so unwanted. Should I get her some counseling? Should I call him? I really don't want to call him. I have had this "You need to be a better father/ You are hurting your daughter" conversation with him too many times.  I don't know what to do?
 
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February 17, 2009, 6:21 am PST

Call him but limit the conversation

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Really long one, sorry.
My daughter is 10 years old. Her father and I split when she was 14 months old. I don't think he was ever really interested in having a relationship with her, however his mother was. Before I left I told him and his mother the I was willing to work out some sort of visiting agreement with them.  Apparently that was not good enough, so the day I left, he filed for full custody. When all of the court proceedings where said and done I have full custody and he has visitation. Throughout the next several years he has popped in and out of her life whenever he has wanted to. There have been times that she has returned in another child's dirty clothes and has not had a bath or brushed hair or teeth the whole time she was gone, other times when she has come back with burns around her mouth and bruises on the backs of her legs (all documented by the proper agencies), I have called her during visits and she tells me that she could not wake him up that morning (passed out on something) he spent time in jail (on drug and DUI charges) and rehab, and he has simply disappeared and had no explanation for where he was. All of this time I have never spoken an ill word about him in front of or to my daughter. When his mother moved away from him, he pretty much stopped calling to get her, so I tried to do visitation just with his mother. His mother tends to manipulate my daughter so that when she comes back we have some issues. She also returned her with sunburn after sunburn, after I sent sunscreen and begged her to put it on her. The last straw with her was when she returned my daughter with a severe second degree burn that she received no medical treatment for, that she did not inform me of, and she tried to extend the visit to hide it from me. I can not trust her either. After dealing with them now for 12 years, I know how manipulative they can be. Over the past two years he has called saying that he wants to "do better" I have talked to him about how he does not have much time, right now she is still okay but soon she will resent this. So he does well for a couple of months and then he disappears for 6 months when he reappears, him and his girlfriend broke up and he was depressed and blah, blah. He has never been interested in her school work, report cards, extracurricular activities. Last summer she wanted to play softball, but I told her that she could not because we had a busy summer planned. The real reason was because of planning camp I have to call him in April to plan summer visitation, he asked me if he could get her for several weeks during the summer. He disappeared, he did not get her once, NEVER EVEN CALLED. In September '08 he saw her for the first time in 6 months. During that visit he took her to a party at his brother's where he got drunk, woke her up at 2 a.m. and passed out and she could not wake him up. Between that visit and the next we had a discussion about him not drinking while she is there. When I took her for the next visit in October I arrived to drop her off at his house and he smelled like beer. I did not want to fight in front of my child so I left her there but called her a couple of hours later. When I asked him about drinking he starting yelling and acting irate. I told him that I was coming back to pick her up. When I got to his house, his mother (who has now moved back near him) showed up and brought the police with her. She thought the police would make me leave. They gave him a breathalyzer and he blew a .20, which is almost three times the legal limit to drive. They informed him that if they had shown up and he was there alone with his daughter in that condition that it would have been reason for them to remove her. They let me take her that night but advised me from a legal standpoint to allow him to reschedule the visit. I did. He had his normal Thanksgiving and Christmas visit and then he was gone again. He called at the end of January and told her he was going to get her in February. He hasn't seen her since December 27th. His court ordered weekend would be February 13-15, in order to get her, he is supposed to call the Monday before to let me know that he intends to get her so that I don't make plans to "make up" for that fact that he is not getting her. All weekend February 6-8 my daughter was telling me and my husband and my parents, "You know I won't be here for Valentine's Day because I'm going to my dad's house next weekend". Guess what? He did not call. This used to not be a big deal to my daughter, it did not seem to visibly bother her that he disappeared, broke promises, did not call, did not get her. But now, she is really upset. Forever, every time that this has happened, I have always led her to believe that either he was working or they have led her to believe that it is my fault. She is getting older and she is so smart. The only time that I have ever said anything about her father to her was the night I took her from his house, I told her that he was drunk and that is why I picked her up. Because he told her that this was all mommy's fault because mommy was stupid and a bi*%$ and over reacting, and that was all he said to her before I got there to pick her up. I would never try to change her view of her father. But I don't know what to tell her this time. She was waiting for him to call. She asked me after school Monday, that night before she went to bed, after school yesterday, and then again when I got home last night if he had called. I asked her if she wanted to call him. She said no. I don't know what to do. She has terrific male role models in her life, my husband is her daddy, she will tell you that, and my father is and has always been there for her. But none of us can do enough to make her feel wanted where her father makes her feel so unwanted. Should I get her some counseling? Should I call him? I really don't want to call him. I have had this "You need to be a better father/ You are hurting your daughter" conversation with him too many times.  I don't know what to do?

If he didn't appear last weekend despite not having confirmed then I suggest you call to see if he wants to rearrange and to remind him when the next scheduled visit is due.  As far as your daughter is concerned I think you need to talk to her about character and personality.  This need to be planned carefully but aim to leave her with the idea that some people eg her father never see the big picture, live "in the moment" and are hopeless at forward planning and being reliable.  You accept them as they are and enjoy their company when you can, whilst trying not to take their thoughtlessness personally. 

 

If your ex still doesn't show up in the next couple of months then I would ring your ex-MIL, give her the details of the next visit and ask her to make sure he turns up. 

 

Given the history I doubt your calls will increase the frequency with which your ex turns up but at least you will feel you have done your duty as best you could.   

 
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May 9, 2009, 4:00 pm PDT

Enough Already!!!

My husband nd I were married 15 years ago. Both of us had been married before. We each brought children to the marriage. But we had different "life plans". If you LOVE your children... you will develop a PLAN for your children regardless WHO is in or out of that child's life.

MY PLAN: I wanted my children to grow up to be responsible, educated, contributing to society, adults. I wanted them to be kind, thoughtful and sympathetic to suffering of others.

I had decided way before the NEW husband, that it was important for my children to LOVE their father. If he was jerk...they would figure it out on their own before they were 50... they were smart girls... (we divorced when they were toddlers). Who knew? He might even straighten out by then... win-win, right?

I worked a lot of "off shifts" to spend time with my girls. I was blessed to find good live-in help. I also went to school to finish my degree. So my girls saw that education was inportant. I volunteered EVERY WEEK in each of their classes when they were in grade school. We enrolled in extra ciricular activities. One at a time, and they made a contract that if they started an activity, they would finish it because it was an expeniture of family resources, which were limited. and school always came first. If grades dropped...so did the activity. Manners were important. As was church and sunday school. Every year we counted our blessings, they gave away 1/3 of their toys to the "poor kids" so Santa would have room for more toys. They never asked for Nintendo...because it "cost a hundred bucks" and they knew Santa was real the year he brought one. They were grateful for their toys, their friends, and their family. When our family suddenly expanded they graciously moved over and made room. Now, they didn't let themselves get bullied either.

Today, They are each college graduates, both with 2 majors and both helped to support themselves through college. Neither one has made a life shattering mistake, although each of them has had to face pivotal moments and chose wisely...since leaving home and as teenagers. But we did a lot of groudwork when they were little that help us though the tough times. I thank their father for supporting that PLAN.

Unfortuneately:

HIS PLAN: ?????

We talked a lot before we were married. I even discussed my plan for the children. I even thought he was listening.

When the kids were little, it didn't seem to make a difference. I had a plan. They would slip into the plan that I had. He would support that...Life would be good. . . Wrong.

Values have to have the same weight for both parents or the step-parent is cancelled out. Rather the children go the "path of least resistance". If one parent is not expecting them to succeed in school, they will do only as well as the lowest standard that is held up for them. If you expect them to be making A's & B's, unless there is a physical reason why they shouldnot acheive, your child will make A's & B's. If you tell them "just don't come home with a D" you can bet, they are coming home with at least a D.

And that is what happened to my stepchildren. It didn't matter that I wanted them to succeed. That I loved them with all of my heart. That I worked nights to be home when they were there so that they could have adult supervision. . . One of them got a GED, the others did graduate from high school. One went to war in Iraq, but didn't do so well when he got home...Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He didn't make it. One got so messed up on drugs we don't know if that caused mental illness or the mental illness caused the drug use. We have one success...kind of... he is working and socializes well but is in a go no where job... He could be so much more!!

All my husband and his ex did for 10 years was battle. Neither one of them actually was looking out for the best interest of the children. it didn't matter how many times that I would sit with him and talk to him about these things. Try to get him to read, and educate himself. It didn't happen. So why did MY KIDS turn out OK?? He is a wonderful, supportive person. As long as I was making the major decisions about them, he was great in a supporting role. Not i the Major role as parent though. Shouldering the main responsibility was too much for both him and his ex. and his kids paid the price. We have all paid the price. My girls have lost a brother... and now they have a sister they can't reach...

They also were targeted by the ex who drilled into my step children's heads that they "have more than you do" "They are spoiled" She never mentioned the fact that these girls worked part-time their whole lives. Or that they have a budget for school clothes and were made to take care of their things.

 

I hope that all of you ex- parents out there just STOP your fighting!! It can be done!!! Kids do turn out OK!!  I am so sad for my step-kids and so proud of all of my kids for having survived a crazy childhood!

 
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May 11, 2009, 4:23 pm PDT

CO-PARENTING???????

Where is the Co?Our court sysyem needs to enforce men to be a part of their childs lives physically and not just finacially. If that means hitting their pocket even more then fine!!!!!!I Soo many men just walk and have no responsibility, even the ones that are around still do not have it like a women. They never have to make plans in order to go to as much as just a store. Yet us mothers have to prepare for the venture.Yes their are some men out there that help out, and omg they need that pat on the back. I have those moments like most that "where is my freedom??" we both planned these children and now its me with them and he is off venturing the world. So yes this gets very frustrating and depressing. I can't even meet someone to see if i have a life cause what do i do with my children?  Men need to start being men and stepping up to the plate physically, Ive had my moments of almost snappin, then i have signed myself for anger management,but its hard, very hard.

 
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May 14, 2009, 11:44 am PDT

Co-Parenting

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Ive been having  a terrible time with my fiances ex whom he has 4 kids with, she has taken to calling our house up to 15 times a day, emailing etc. she takes him to court every 3 mths. for support, visitation etc. she has sent so many horrible emails about myself as well as his family. we have tried to get custody and more visitation but it seems that the legal system is outlined for mothers. I feel he is a wonderful father and would be a better parent for the children to live with. she lies all the time about the kids being in counseling, expenses for the kids, possible abuse by his family. It is as if she is trying to push him and his family out of the kids lives and just wants the child support money. We have so many emails showing what kind of a person she is and have caught her lies on many different occasions  she has even moved the kids to a diff country for a few months but no one seems to care. what do we do?

The bottom line to your situation..and Im sorry this may be a bit blunt and not what you want to hear..it does not matter what the ex says about you, family, or the dad..the courts do not see it as grounds for taking children out of the living arrangement/situation they are accustomed to. The only way the courts will ever see it necessary to give your fiance custody is to prove to the courts that the ex is neglectful, abusive to the children, or abuses substances.  And until that changes, if she has primary custody, she can take the children wherever and however she wants. The good news is...the children will eventually see all of this and will want nothing to do with it and her playful games:) The more she pushes your fiance away..the truth is..she's pushing her own self away from her very own children. So what do you do??..you ask? well..the very best thing is..continue to see them and communicate with them like you are supposed to..NOT the ex..don't fall for any games..play it cool..let the children see and figure out the person she really is. They will most likely come running(so to speak) faster to your fiance than you could imagine; rather than loosing your temper and falling for the games. I know this may be especially hard in the heat of things but it will be well worth it in the end.

 
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June 18, 2009, 3:08 pm PDT

Am I doing the right thing?

My soon to be 15 year old step-daughter has been allowed by her mother to spend weekends and weeks with her 17 year old boyfriend. She buys her a bus ticket and sets her off without her supervision to do whatever. I know when I was 14 and 15, the different "things" going through my head. I have also read all the statistics of teenage pregnancy and it aint pretty! My concern is that her mother is acting more like a friend and not a parent. Her mother has even lied to cover for her going to spend the week with her boyfriend! I have recently set-up an appiontment with the local planned parenthood agency, but I don't know how to go about telling her mother about this. IU don't want to fight because her mother and I have been on civil terms for many years now. Am I doing the right thing by stepping in and taking control of this distrubing situation? I believe it is a good idea deep inside, but the other family members seem like they are concerned but have no clue on how to speak to their own children about sex! I know how to have this conversation with her and I am prepared, but should I maybe ask her mother top be involved with this major stepping stone in her own daughter's life?
 
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June 18, 2009, 4:56 pm PDT

Spoiled young adult disrespectful to his mother

My ex and I have been divorced more than 12 years and share custody of our 2 sons.  When the children were young, we shared similar parenting skills.  As time has gone by, dad has not tried to instill any responsibility into the kids.  When our oldest turned 16, he bought him a car and paid all the bills that went with it, including gas for the tank (16 yrs old and no job).  When he smashed that car up, dad bought him another.  Our son is very lazy and will spend more time trying to figure out how to escape from chores than the chores would actually take to do.  Now that he's 19, he thinks that he's an adult and can do whatever he wants.  Dad is more lenient with him, even allowing him to attend girl-boy sleepovers since he's 15.  Needless to say, since dad hands him everything (and when dad says no, grandma and grandpa...on dad's side...will say yes).  He has no job but always seems to have money in his pockets thanks to his dad and grandparents (dad is extremely concerned with his son having a solid social life).  When I ask him to do something around the house, he'll flat out refuse, knowing if I don't pay for something for him, somone else will.  He's now expecting his tuition bill to be paid next month.  When I asked him to cut and bag the grass, he refused, saying he doesn't bag grass.  I know when I refuse to pay his tuition bill, his grandparents will quickly step in.  My son has no respect for me and I refuse to pay for that respect.  How can I make him see that the way he treats me is wrong?  I can't hold anything back or take anything away because he just gets it elsewhere and, consequently, feels he doesn't owe me anything, including respect.  It breaks my heart that I've raised such a self-centered son.

 
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July 3, 2009, 5:05 am PDT

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I am married and have one daughter (10) with my Husband and two step daughters (13 & 19).  My husband has joint legal custody with visitation.  We live quite a distance from the custodial Mother so the visitation is as follows: 10 days at winter break and the entire month of July in the summer.  Our thirteen year old arrived on the first and was initially upset (homesick) which is to be expected.  After an hour or so, she was fine, laughing and playing with her sister.  Then, the phone calls started.  Her Mother and older sister started calling her about every hour.  Every time she got off the phone she was very upset again.  Crying and would go lay down on her bed.  We tried to cheer her up, but she was not responsive. After a day and a half of this she came to her father and asked if she could go home.  He asked her why she wanted to go home and she said she didn't know, she just wanted to go home.  She is very emotional, and we hardly want to keep her at our house if she is miserable here.  But, it is not until she talks with her Mom that she is so upset.  I don't think we can keep her from speaking with her mother.  I don't want her to feel prisoner.  The relationship between my husband and his ex is not one where they can sit and talk these things out.  I know this would be the best thing for our daughter if possible but it is not the situation.  I realize legally she is ordered to stay the entire month of July. However, if she is so unhappy, even if it is because her mom wont leave her alone long enough to make the transition, is it worth it to make her stay?  Help.  I am not sure what we should do and don't want to make any mistakes when it comes to her emotional state.
 
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