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May 22, 2006, 6:40 am PDT

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I've been divorced for 1 year Feb06. My ex got a woman pregnant and married her in Dec05. We hadn't even been divorced a year. Well I have two children, a 12 year old girl and a 6 year old boy. They go to their fathers house on Weds after school and I am noticing that homework isn't being done and I am also hearing from the teacher of my son that he always has a stomach ache on Weds. I believe that he doesn't want to go to his dads and sometimes he will tell me but my ex will not allow me to keep them on Weds. They also now have a new baby brother and I have told them that this is their half brother and that things aren't his fault. I have heard that dad just lets them play games and watch movies and doesn't help with homework or even check folders. I get angry because neither my ex or his wife try . His wife had only met my kids twice before they got married and she had said that Mike was a great dad. How is this possible when the kids weren't involved with the wedding and that she doesn't try to know them. Their father usally has some other relative around with kids to keep our kids company and I'm not happy with this. He fought to have them all this time and chooses not to spend the time with them. He also wanted them for spring break and one week in the summer. Since he has left, he has never taken time off of work to spend this time with them in the last two years. He did manage to take a week off to get married and when their baby was born he took a week off with them. I am tring to get over this but its been very hard and I get very angry when He does this to our kids. How do I deal with this?? Why does he feel the new family is better???
Hi, I just felt the real need to reply tothis message, not to offer advice or anything but to give you and idea of what it is like on the other side of the situation and what your ex and his wife may be going through. I am married to a wonderful man, he has 2 daughters from a previous marriage and we have a 15 month old son together. We see his daughters ever other weekend. Their mother left my husband for another man when the girls were 3 and 6 months respectively. I met my husband 6 weeks after she left and I met his daughters 3 months after that. We have a wonderful, strong, loving relationship and the girls love being with us. The problem is is that his ex interferes with out relationship and in our lives at ever opportunity, my husband is called into court by her atleast every 2 months, especially since our son was born. We find ourselves not discussing certain things infront of the girls (7 and 4) cos we dont want their mom to find out. This has had a great toll on my husbands relationship with his daughters cos he has to assess how anything he says can impact on him should they repeat it to their mother. It is very sad. The children often say things like, "Mommy says you are naughty" to my husband or " Mommy says you dont phone me enough" and "mommy says you love my brother more than you love me because he is a boy". I find all of this unneccessary. We spend friday night and most of Saturday assuring the gilrs that we love them and getting them into the "routine" of our home, Saturday evening things start to get good, but by Sunday afternoon it is all chaos again cos they know that they are going home, and while they are excited to see their mom again they are sad to have to leave. We hate the kids being put through this on such a regular basis. We were offered to have them on wednesday evenings aswell, but we both work full-time and get home relatively late and their bedtime is 8pm on school nights so it wasnt feasible, plus their school is in the opposite direction of where my hubby and I work so getting them to school would be a bit of a mission on the thursday morning. I do not doubt that my husband has a better relationship with my son than with his daughters but it is not because he is in anyway better, it is because my husband is very out of tune with his daughters. They are largely badly behaved and they have no respect for their father because of the things their mother tells them. They have a lot more respect for me and I have a lot more patience with them that he does. I just wanted to give you the other side of the coin. Neither my hubby nor I can take time off work to spend with the children because of our leave structures. We both have mandatory leave at the end of each year and only a few days throughout the rest of the year for sick leave or other emergencies. My husband has already used up all his available leave on court appearances and should she take him again which she will, he will then have to take unpaid leave. He already pays more child support than we can afford. The only thing stopping her from trying to get money out of me is the fact that we are married out of community of property. I dont think that your ex loves your kids any less, maybe the situation makes things difficult for him. I love my step children with all my heart and I could never imagine my life without them. BUT their mother makes it difficult for us to have a really close realtionship with them like the one that we have with our son.
 
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May 22, 2006, 7:29 am PDT

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I divorced my X 3 years ago.  My X beat and cheated on me.  

 I have custody of my eldest child and joint of my youngest.  Their father has commited contempt repeatedly for the last 3 years.  

The true problem is, my children don't understand this.  They think they want to live with him. To them it's easier to live with dad and get spoiled than live with me and have rules and responsibilities.  

Typical teens.  

I am seeking counsel to deal with the contempt.  I feel I have no other choice to hold him accountable for his actions and I also feel my children need to understand  I will no longer be a door mat and be treated like "the bad guy."  

They know all too well what their father is like and why I divorced him.  Still, they blame me for their problems and their partents not being together anymore.    

My question is; should I fight for custody of them or should I let them take responsibility for their actions by chosing to live with their father?  Once I have made this choice, I cannot go back.  I fear for their safety from their father and his abusive selfcenteredness.  He has NPD. (Nars. Pers. Dis.) I know they don't understand what they are doing to themselves but they won't listen to me.  If I allow them to live with him, and sign over custody to him, the children's leverage will be gone and he will revert back into his old ways.  The ways they don't remember.  

  

Absolutely do NOT sign over custody to someone who is abusive with NPD.  The courts have already sided with you, now you need to stand your ground.  First, stop discussing any financial matters and contempt with your kids.  It's not their business.  If their father complains to them and they bring it up with you, simply state that they don't need to be concerned about it and that you will deal with it.

Secondly, it sounds like you and your kids need to get into counseling as not will be the time to avoid your kids into developing NPD themselves as it seems that they are starting to head down that path if you're at the point of handing them over.  A counselor can help explain to them why they can't live with their father as well as working on gaining respect for you.  Take big breaths and remember that they are still kids, no matter how big they've become or mind challenging they are.  You are the parent, you know what's best, regardless of what their point of view is.  Years down the road, they'll see your reasoning for the decisions you've made.

My ex is PAPD and there is no way on this earth I'd ever hand my kids over to him, knowing the disorder is learned generally from a parent.  To me this is setting up their future relationships for failure and I would never want to see my kids unhappy for the rest of their lives vs going through a tough few years.  Besides, with what they've witnessed in the past, would you really want them to "take responsibility for their actions" and reexpose them to the horror? 
 
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May 22, 2006, 8:40 pm PDT

Please help me I am so confused!!!

This may be a long story so get a cup of coffee if you need, but if you are willing to read this, I am willing to take any and all advice into concideration.    

When I first started dating my ex everything was great.  He was everything I wanted and did all of the right things.  He was a bit too pushy to date me at first but he grew on me.  He sent me flowers, he called just to say hi, he was loving, and I loved him.  I was a single mother when I met him and he had two children from a previous relationship that lived with their mother.  He was very involved in his childrens life which is one of the reasons I fell in love with him.  One night while we were out,  

another girl who he had once dated him came up to talk to me.  She told me "I know he is good in bed, but that is all he is good for, he is not a good boyfriend"  Not understanding I asked what she meant by that.  She said that he liked to sleep with his "babies' ma ma".  Of course, on the ride home I asked if this was true.  He told me he had been sleeping with his ex while he was dating this girl.  This girl was also married while they were dating so he said he didn't really respect her and that is why he did this.  Of course, being in love, I believed him.    

During this time, he would go out to see his kids who lived in another state with their mom.  I would get really nervous remembering what this girl had told me but I really didn't think he would do that to me.  Dumb I know.  Not too long after this I found out I was pregnant.  I was not ready for a baby but he assured me that we would be ok.  He was there for me.  In the months following we talked about what we were going to do, how we were going to tell our kids, and his ex.   When he started living with me his ex called.  She let him know that he was no longer going to see his kids as long as he continued to date me.  She told her kids that daddy couldn't stay with them anymore.  One night he recieved a call from his son saying that he wanted his dad to come and stay... and he knew that he couldn't do that anymore.  I was really taken aback by this woman's behavior.  But, it really wasn't my place.  She also like to break into his email and read them.  If I would send him something during the day while he was at work, she would read it.  She got so mad about them that she erased all her and her childrens contact information from his account. During our whole relationship he would tell me about their fights and how he would have to call the police because she was so violent towards him. He told me once that they had to buy a new phone every few months because she would break it so he couldn't call for help. He explained all of her affairs, and how she even went to prom with someone while she was in her 20's while he stayed home and watched the kids. I always asked why he would still go back to her in the past and sleep with her if she did all this to him.  He didn't know but he knew that he just wanted a normal life he said. However, he drank, alot. I knew very well that something was not right but since I couldn't put my finger on it and I was in love and having his baby I just stayed.   Finally, he decided to tell his mother that I was pregnant. (She didn't even know he was dating anyone)  When he did this not more than a minute passed and his cell phone rang.  He didn't answer it saying, it couldn't be my mom already.  But then, my home phone rang.  It was his ex.  She had intercepted the email to his mom.  She again was screaming and crying(I could hear her over the phone) She told him that he wasn't ever seeing his kids again.  He was very upset.  We were, at this time, looking to buy a house.  He wanted us to move to a nicer place.  I told him that he should just take the money for the house and get a lawyer.  He should go fight for visitation rights of his children, then she couldn't hold them over his head everytime he did anything she didn't like.  He started again talking about her beating him and that she was arrested for domestic abuse.  He just kept saying that he wouldn't have to do that.  I asked what he was going to do and he said.  I can figure it out some other way.  In the two weeks following, he drank, alot.  He would go in the bathroom and I would hear him crying, alot.  When he wasn't at work he liked to gamble alot.  One night we went out and he had spent $2000 of the down payment for the house.  I offered to help him pay for it since it was my house too.  He went to visit his children, and when he came back he was even more distraught than before.  I asked if I could go out and meet his children the next time he went.  This had never happened before because obviously their mother was not for it.  He said that would be good.  A few days later it was bedtime.  I asked him for sex.  I asked if he was every horny.  He just laughed and said yeah. But he still turned me down.  I told him soon I would be too big to want it and he rolled over and said ok.  I was really upset by this.  I kept trying to get him to talk to me and he wouldn't.  I asked him if he still wanted to be with me.  He said not if it was going to be this way.  I didn't even know what he meant by that.  I asked why he stayed then.  He said nothing absolutely nothing.  He just went to sleep.  The next day he got up and went to work like every other day.  When he got home that night, I asked if we could talk about what had happened the night before.  He said yes and asked if he could shower first. I agreed.  When he got out he sat down and said, "I'm leaving".  I just looked at him.  He was leaving for good.  I knew why, but he denied it of course.  Needless to say he moved his ex in with him into the house we picked out together and I helped pay for while I sat at home alone pregnant with our baby. I wanted my money back and had to fight all summer through lawyers to get it.  But I didn't want anymore contact with this man. I feel like everything he has ever told me was a lie or else why would he want to go back to a cheating beating life? When he would see me drive by while I was pregnant he would turn his head and act as if he didn't even know me.  As hurt and angry as I was all summer long, I finally contacted him when it got closer to our baby being due.  I wanted to where his head was at and if he was going to have contact with his son.  He agreed to meet with me and a councelor.  During this time we disscused the fact that I was very afraid of his girlfriend being around our child.  He understood.  He also voiced that she did not want him to be in my house.  Even for the councelling, but he still came.  We made many agreements during this time.  One being that he would come here to see his child because I didn't want her to do something to him around my child.  Our child arrived.  A great little boy.  For the first month his father would come to my house to see him everyday.  He would just come over whenever he wanted.  That was my fault because I didn't say it bothered me.  When I did tell him it did he was not happy but he did his best to set up a time.  He would call 5 mins from my house and say he was comming over. During his visits neither of us said anything to the other.  He would be sitting here in my house for hours and not say even a word.  Nothing.  The tension was rediculous.  I couldn't take it anymore.  I didn't want him to be here.  I didn't want his girlfriend around my kid.  I was confused and angry and I didn't know what I should do.  Mind you during all this time, he has not paid any child support.  I decided to just not be here when he came to visit.  I ditched him and then emailed him to tell him how I felt. Bad idea on my part but I wasn't able to do the right thing at the time.  I told him that I didn't want him around anymore and I never really did.  He was not the person I thought he was, he was a liar, and a cheat, and he totally screwed me and my daughter over.  I just didn't think that was a good person to be a father.  I was very adament that I did not want his woman around my child and why.  He emailed back and let me know that he was going to go after custody of our son.  I let him know that I thought that was a good idea. I wasn't scared.  I had done a background check on his ex and him and it wasn't clean.  I was.  He made me feel guilty.  He told me it was my fault that I spent nights alone with ours son, waking at 3 and that it was my fault that I had to shower with my son in a chair next to the tub, because I should have just let him take him home in the first place.  He asked if we could talk, when he got here to talk the first thing he said was... are you gonna let me take him or do we need to go to court.  I told him to do what he wanted because I didn't trust either of them with my child.  He said that I had no reason not to.  I said that I didn't just trust the guy across the street with my child either.  I didn't know this woman except for what he told me, and seeing the stalking while we were dating, and I didn't really know him like I thought I did either.  In the middle of our converstation he just got up and walked out.  I was frantic and  a bit stupid I guess.  I called his house to talk to his girlfriend.  When she didn't answer I told him that if he would just let me meet her and see where my son would be I would let him take his son for the weekend.  In talking to this woman I realized that she is very good at manipulation.  In our 20 talk she admitted to doing all of what he had told me... but then blame shifted it all back on him.  She also let me know how he was going out to see her and begging her to move in with him while we were buying our house.  I don't know but by the time I left I forgot to find out about her because I just felt hurt all over again.  Since this time they have gotten married. He has increasingly wanted to take my son more and more.  I find myself not wanting this to happen at all but I want my son to have a father so I just say nothing.  I don't know anyone in his family.  They don't know me.  He took my son to meet them but they have no clue who the mother of their grandchild even is or what I even look like.  My daughter has really wanted to meet his children and his now wife said that it could only happen if I let her go over there with my ex  alone... that makes no sense to me. My daughter was told " he look I bought you a house" and now they want her to go over there with a man who isn't her dad and doesn't want to be by herself.  There is just something so fishy about all this.  I am still afraid.  I don't know what I should do now and how to stand up and say it.  Please someone advice please.     There are some things I left out but obviously this is long enough. 

  

thanks-  Jax_alope 

 
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May 23, 2006, 8:59 am PDT

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My daughter 17 1/2 decided in August to go live with her dad and stepmom, not far from our home. She has barely spoken to me since. She is angry all the time with me and know I find with her father as well.  

The main reason she left our house was she did not want to do chores or participate in the household as an active member. Just me and her, but still we are a family.  

Now her dad and stepmom have started laying down some rules and she is not happy. She is a good kid, gets good grades, but I feel like some things have happened that he has not shared with me.  

I just want to get back to some kind of mother/daughter relationship. She acts like she can't even stand the sight of me. I am reading Dr. David Walsh's book "Why do they act that way." It talks abou the undeveloped teen brain and hormones and how to work around these real changes going on with kids.  

I need some advice on how to get her to talk to me even for a minute. I am scheduling  counseling with a professional therapist for her to go and have a safe place to express herself. I hope she will go. She has always gone before. Can you help me? 

 
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May 23, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

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Thank you for giving a bit more details.  It's good to know that you've known this man your dating for longer than when you've started dating.  II could be completely off base, but I am assuming your son must've met him prior to beginning a relationship with him.  Could he possibly be piecing things (regardless of reality) together to blame you and your boyfriend for the splitting of his family?

Based on my own personal experience, I still think that it would be better to move in with your sister for the time being and move later.  The reason being is that there is no way that you personally have been able to fully grieve over and process the loss of your relationship in the time frame you've allowed and found your self-identity separate from relationships at this time.  While your current boyfriend may truly be the one meant for you, the timing to move in together is not right not only for you but your son as well.  I truly feel that it would be better to wait to move until you give your son and yourself the time to process the wild and most likely very blurry last year and reestablish roles in this world.  If he is the right one, he'll be the right one through time as well.

If you're are convinced that moving in with your boyfriend is the right decision, are you prepared to answer all of the "what ifs" with your son?  What if it doesn't work out between the two of you? What if what you thought was reality in this new relationship was more of a fantasy?  What if he doesn't like the boyfriend after moving in?  What if the boyfriend doesn't like him or your son thinks he doesn't like him?  What if your son can't handle new relationships in a familial way?  What if your son feels rejected or dismissed for disagreeing with this decision?  What if he wants to move back with his ex step-father or your sister instead of dealing with this forced new family? 

To move in with a sister vs a stranger (or disliked person) to your son is very different.  You sister is not threatening to him like an outsider is.  It would give yourself as well as your son time to cope with the situation and through time, he may be able to be more accepting through time with your relationship with your boyfriend.  I highly advise to include your sister for another perspective looking in as to ensuring your on the right page on this.  As I said before, if your boyfriend is the one, he'll be patient.

With the exception of needing to move or applying for public assistance, I was in the same financial pickle as you seem to be.  I met my current husband in the process of my divorce, yet I knew it was too soon for my kids to meet him, based on questions I had asked them.  I chose to continue the relationship with him without my children's knowledge in the beginning.  When I noticed their behaviors becoming more normal to their personalities, I started bringing him up and asking what their thoughts are.  When they finally gave the go ahead and felt they were ready to meet him, I invited my husband to meet them.  My now husband and I always agreed that because of all of the issues my kids were faced that if it was a problem for them that we were together that we would put their needs first.  Luckily, they fell in love with him right away.  We met at the end of 2002 and married in 2005.  We lived apart until a couple months prior to getting married.

All I can advise is to put yourself in your son's shoes and try to see things from his perspective.  Ask him loads of questions and try to get him to open up with you.  The more answers you get from him, the more you'd be able to feel him out and decide when you should move forward with relationships.  And at the same time, you'll most likely learn new things and new perspectives about yourself on your journey with your son and daughter.  If you ever need to talk privately, please let me know.  Best of luck to you!


Thank you so much for your advice and taking the time to share your own story with me. You have given me a lot to think about.
 
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May 25, 2006, 8:26 am PDT

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I divorced my X 3 years ago.  My X beat and cheated on me.  

 I have custody of my eldest child and joint of my youngest.  Their father has commited contempt repeatedly for the last 3 years.  

The true problem is, my children don't understand this.  They think they want to live with him. To them it's easier to live with dad and get spoiled than live with me and have rules and responsibilities.  

Typical teens.  

I am seeking counsel to deal with the contempt.  I feel I have no other choice to hold him accountable for his actions and I also feel my children need to understand  I will no longer be a door mat and be treated like "the bad guy."  

They know all too well what their father is like and why I divorced him.  Still, they blame me for their problems and their partents not being together anymore.    

My question is; should I fight for custody of them or should I let them take responsibility for their actions by chosing to live with their father?  Once I have made this choice, I cannot go back.  I fear for their safety from their father and his abusive selfcenteredness.  He has NPD. (Nars. Pers. Dis.) I know they don't understand what they are doing to themselves but they won't listen to me.  If I allow them to live with him, and sign over custody to him, the children's leverage will be gone and he will revert back into his old ways.  The ways they don't remember.  

  

Please fight for custody if you truly believe they do not belong there.  I am proof that it will be a bad thing if you let them go.  My mother "let" us go to our father's when we were 10 and 12 and it was the worst decision ever.   My father had taken her to court several times for custody and she won each time but she sat us down and said, "Just because I win in court, I still have to pay my lawyer and I just cannot afford it anymore.  I am sick of seeing you unhappy (our father had brainwashed us into thinking it would be better with him - he was the fun one my mom was the disciplinarian) so I will sign over the papers.  Once you go, you will not come back."  She stuck to it too.  I was miserable as I am a girl and have an older brother.  I lost my childhood.  I was a "mother" and "wife" to both of them and basically did not have a fun childhood as I was too busy taking care of them - cooking, cleaning, etc.  Any way, I am now 39 years old and could not imagine ever letting my 12 year old son go to live with his loser father - no matter what the cost.  My mother on the other hand is wrought with guilt over her decision.  She now feels she should have never let us go.  But hindsight is 20/20.   She will die never getting over this decision.. she has told me as much.  I try and reassure he she was just doing what "she had to do" but she will always feel guilty.  So, please please fight.  My father was not the horrible man your ex seems to be.  He was not an abuser physically or really mentally.... for that matter.... so If it was a bad decision with a somewhat "normal" dad then can't you just imagine what your kids will go through with the man you are describing here on this board?
 
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May 25, 2006, 8:43 am PDT

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I know there is no advice to give me but maybe some supportive words.   I have two children.  Both boys.  One is 12 by a previous marriage.  One is 4 by my second marriage.  We have been married 8 years; known each other for 12.   My two children are wonderful and for the most part our marriage is wonderful.   My husband has a child from his previous marriage.   She is 16 - and neither of her parents are disciplinarians.  They are exactly alike - non-confrontational type parents.  The tail has been wagging the dog for many years now.   I have not been given any support since I met this girl - (4 years) or any type of power of discipline.   So, basically, I just have sat back and watch her spiral downhill.  She is 16 and is going down hill (has been since 8th grade).  She has never lived with us.  Her mother just is not a parent.  She is a friend and has some issues herself (not home, alcohol, etc.) This girl did a wonderful job raising herself until her Freshman year really, when a child needs a parental figure - - some monitoring ya know?  But my husband vents to me and takes out her wrong decisions (and his and his ex's wrong decisions) on me, etc.   and it is very hard for me not to say I TOLD YOU SO.. as I have been telling him the future since day one. And I do tell him I TOLD YOU SO by the way.. I just can't help it.  I just get depressed as I realize I am MRS. IDIOT if I married him, as he has no parental characteristics in him at all.  He is the same with the two living with us and I get depressed knowing I married someone who is younger in the head than his 16 year old daughter is.  He doesn't have a real realationship with his daughter.  She doesn't come over any more as we have restrictions (computer time, etc.) but yet he keeps bailing her out when she gets in trouble or wants money.  It just kills me to sit there and watch it.   I know it isn't her fault her parents are idiots, got divorced, etc... but that doesn't mean you don't take responsibilities for your actions.  I just really feel sorry for her as she has never been "taught" any life lessons from the parents in her life.  I tried early on, but with no support from either of them to "back" me on things when issues came up, I had to give up, I can't care anymore.. it hurts to much.  I had to let her go and go to la la land most of the time.  He is different with the two living with us somewhat, but it is because I am there "fostering" it.  Sometimes his "not parenting" thing just gets tiring.  Thanks for reading.  
 
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May 29, 2006, 6:21 am PDT

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I know there is no advice to give me but maybe some supportive words.   I have two children.  Both boys.  One is 12 by a previous marriage.  One is 4 by my second marriage.  We have been married 8 years; known each other for 12.   My two children are wonderful and for the most part our marriage is wonderful.   My husband has a child from his previous marriage.   She is 16 - and neither of her parents are disciplinarians.  They are exactly alike - non-confrontational type parents.  The tail has been wagging the dog for many years now.   I have not been given any support since I met this girl - (4 years) or any type of power of discipline.   So, basically, I just have sat back and watch her spiral downhill.  She is 16 and is going down hill (has been since 8th grade).  She has never lived with us.  Her mother just is not a parent.  She is a friend and has some issues herself (not home, alcohol, etc.) This girl did a wonderful job raising herself until her Freshman year really, when a child needs a parental figure - - some monitoring ya know?  But my husband vents to me and takes out her wrong decisions (and his and his ex's wrong decisions) on me, etc.   and it is very hard for me not to say I TOLD YOU SO.. as I have been telling him the future since day one. And I do tell him I TOLD YOU SO by the way.. I just can't help it.  I just get depressed as I realize I am MRS. IDIOT if I married him, as he has no parental characteristics in him at all.  He is the same with the two living with us and I get depressed knowing I married someone who is younger in the head than his 16 year old daughter is.  He doesn't have a real realationship with his daughter.  She doesn't come over any more as we have restrictions (computer time, etc.) but yet he keeps bailing her out when she gets in trouble or wants money.  It just kills me to sit there and watch it.   I know it isn't her fault her parents are idiots, got divorced, etc... but that doesn't mean you don't take responsibilities for your actions.  I just really feel sorry for her as she has never been "taught" any life lessons from the parents in her life.  I tried early on, but with no support from either of them to "back" me on things when issues came up, I had to give up, I can't care anymore.. it hurts to much.  I had to let her go and go to la la land most of the time.  He is different with the two living with us somewhat, but it is because I am there "fostering" it.  Sometimes his "not parenting" thing just gets tiring.  Thanks for reading.  
Try and talk openly to your husband about what is going on with his parenting, maybe he can give you a definitive idea as to why he is like he is. You shouldnt feel like an idiot but you dont have to resent him, tell him how you feel and ask him out right why he is the way he is and explain to him that he has contributed to the problems with the 16 yr old and you dont want the other 2 to suffer the same fate.
 

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May 29, 2006, 7:21 am PDT

uh-oh...making matters worse (foot-in-mouth syndrome)

I posted here earlier this month regarding my son's new stepmother. So you don't have to scroll back, I'll fill you in (and add some more info as well): this woman used to be my and my ex's next-door neighbor. She and I were very friendly, more than acquaintances but not exactly friends. I always felt a little sorry for her, as she was almost 40, very, VERY overweight, lived alone; I never saw her go out with friends or have any over, and she said she hadn't had a boyfriend in about six years. She would always invite me to stop over her house, which I did on occasion, and we talked a lot. She would give me her phone # all the time, wanting to go out, but honestly, I have an extremely large group of friends with whom I spent the majority of my free time, and all with the same personality as myself, which is very extroverted, dramatic and loud (courtesy of our line of work). I just didn't think she would fit in at all, and that it would be a very uncomfortable situation for her, as is usually the case when people outside of our industry spend time with us. As far as she and I hanging out one-on-one, well, I didn't feel we had enough in common. Frankly, she's quite boring. But very nice.   

   

After the baby was born, I would stop by her house occasionally on our daily walks (by that time she had moved to a different part of the development). Also by that time, my relationship with my son's father was deteriorating rapidly, due mostly to the fact that, according to what he told his best friend, he "wasn't ready for the responsibility of being a parent." No kidding. He started going out all the time, I mean leave in the morning to "do errands," not come home till night time, then five minutes later another friend would call and out he'd go again until the wee hours. He'd come home at 3-4am, dead drunk, knowing I had to leave for work at 7:30 and he was supposed to watch the baby. I'd have to call out of work. He put all of his money in the bank, spending it only on himself, whereas I emptied my savings account AND went into my 401(k) just trying to cover my share of the bills and feed and clothe our child on a reduced income (not only a mandatory six months of maternity leave at 2/3 of my salary, but then when I went back to work I had to cut my hours as I became increasingly fearful for our son's safety with him while I was away on business trips. Friends would tell me he would drink "more than he should when he's supposed to be taking care of the baby." There were several Britney Spears-like incidents when he was watching him.). It was awful. Anyhoo, I told this girl EVERYTHING. I'd be crying every time I saw her. When I finally left him, he was arrested for slamming me into the wall with the baby in my arms...and he's a COP! I told her this, too, and that I'd found out he'd had domestics with other girlfriends. {I'll also add that I knew OF, but she actually knew PERSONALLY his girlfriend who "killed herself" with his own service weapon. Even though the circumstances were shady, and he was a suspect, the case was closed without further investigation...I found that part out after I left.}  So imagine my shock when, about a year after I left him, she lost about 100 pounds and started dating him. They just got married.   

   

Now, just as I believed everything he told me about his ex-girlfriends (they were "mental cases," according to him) she now believes not what I told her about him all that time, but what he's been telling her about me...very bad things, all of which are untrue, and which were proved in court to be untrue. But then again, she wasn't allowed to sit in on the trial, so all she knows is what HE told her. HEL-LO...we DIDN'T get joint custody, as is the norm. I was awarded full physical custody. Now, doesn't she think there's got to be a very good reason for that? Nooo, she believes HIM when he says it's because we "had a crooked judge." Uh, the trial was held in the jurisdiction in which he works, HE'S the one with the connections! I LOST two of my motions regarding the domestic since we couldn't find one judge who didn't know him who could hear the motions unbiasedly. The whole point is, she now sees me in a different light, so to speak, thinking I am this evil person. I have invited her to lunch twice to talk, she has declined. She is actually very condescending and oftentimes b**chy to me. The childless 40-year-old tries to give me parenting advice, insinuating that I am not taking care of my son properly! Whatever, the whole thing really doesn't bother me...I've just been trying to work on our relationship as she is now my son's stepmother. Hard to do, when she won't even look me in the eye. She starts shaking, sometimes uncontrollably, when she's near me.    

   

Anyway, I think I may have inadvertently caused some more friction today...about a month BEFORE the wedding (which was three weeks ago), I noticed that she was putting on some weight. Last week she was wearing a fitted sweater and her tummy looked rather full. Today she picked my son up to take him to a family BBQ and she was wearing a flowy top and has seemed to really have put the weight on. So I guess I jumped to conclusions. My son was having a fit, screaming and crying, because he didn't want to go, so I didn't get a chance to tell her that he had a slight fever when he woke up. So I went in and called his father to tell HIM, and I said, "Oh, congratulations," to which he replied, "Thank you." I then asked when the baby was due.  ************Uh, she's NOT PREGNANT. Oh my G*d, I don't know what to do now, they will obviously think I was being snarky, and I honestly thought the girl was with child, she put on so much weight so fast...and I figured that since she's 40 now that they'd try for a child immediately. Any ideas on how to repair this? I'm afraid that I may have irreparably screwed things up just when I felt that the friction was starting to die down....   

 
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May 29, 2006, 5:27 pm PDT

RIGHT ON!!!

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My ex husband and I had a remarkably amicable divorce for 5 years, then he began dating the women who has since become his wife.  From the time my ex husband and I divorced we shared joint physical and legal custody of our daughter who was only 3 when we divorced.  We had the same custody schedule for that entire time.  From the moment my ex-husband began dating his current wife, my life was turned upside down.  Before she became part of his life, he consulted me on every decision that needed to be made for my daughter and I gave him the same respect.  He hadn't paid a dime of child support because as a working mother, I was proud of the fact that I could support my daughter on my own and believed that it demonstrated strength that she could be proud of.  The new girlfriend became a stay at home live in girlfriend and then a stay at home wife.  All of the sudden I was an "unfit" mother because I worked and needed daycare for my daughter after school, but HE was more fit to parent because SHE could pick up our daughter just after school.  I was unfit because I hired an in home tutor to help her with her homework after school until I got home at 6pm.  His interpretation was that I couldn't be bothered to help her with her homework, but his stay at home wife would be happy to take over the task my job prevented me from doing at the time.  He began making appointments with teachers and principles at her school without my knowledge and taking the then fiance to the meetings and told the school that I was an univolved, uniterested parent and that everything in regards to her school were to be directed at them.  He changed her schools without my permission because it was convenient for him and his new wife.  Not only did he not have my permission, but he had it in writing that I did not agree to the change.  He did it anyway and was allowed to because our school system only requires 1 parent signature to do so.  Their solution when I called them to find out how they could allow this to happen...just change her back.  She too, went on field trips, volunteered in my daughters class, and baked snacks for the kids at school.  SHE did it, not HE.  I don't understand why men think that because they find a wife that is willing to stay home and take care of their kids, this somehow makes them a better parent.  They did all of this in an effort to "prove" I was an unfit mother and gain full legal and physical custody of my daughter.  I get furious when stay at home mothers imply that they are somehow "better" mothers because they bake cookies for class.  Well, we working mothers bake cookies for class too, volunteer, help with homework, drive to ballet and swim classes, and hold down a full time job in the real world.  The most satisfying day of my life was when the court decided that I as a single working mother not only performed all the tasks and duties that they did together, but I did it better.  That's right...me the REAL mother...the one they called unfit.  Not only did I not lose custody, but the new custody agreement stated that if my ex-husband and his new wife were to continue in their behavior HE would lose custody.  It has been nearly a year since that decision was made.  I am happy to say that the "step-mom" has learned, by the courts nudging, to leave the parenting up to the parents.  Not once has she stepped foot to volunteer in my daughters classroom...unfortunately her father still hasn't either...since my victorious day.   I think she finally realized she had a son of her own that she might consider volunteering for.  You're right that mothers don't "let " a stepmother take over and push her out of the picture.  However, dating or even marrying a man that has children from a previous relationship does not make you a mother...no matter how many cookies you bake...and does not automatically give you the right to destroy a child's relationship with their parents.  Your role as a step parent should be to support a healthy loving relationship with both of the child's parents.  To support your new husband try to maintain a healthy, productive, co-parent relationship with the other parent.   

I can't describe how much hope I got reading your message.  I really needed to see that a mother could stand their ground and come out winning the respect a mother deserves from the legal system.   

  

The idea that some woman can come in and denigrade a child's mother and then "win" custody of the children nauseates me.  Why don't the fathers honor the mother of their children in these circumstances?  Especially if they are trying to be active in their children's lives?   

  

A MOTHER SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT FOR A PLACE IN THEIR CHILD'S LIFE!   

  

A step parent should respect their boundaries and know their place in the step family.   

  

God bless you for your strength and perseverence!  Congratulations on your decision!  

 
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