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Are you sharing a child with someone who doesn't live with you? Share your story and your strategies for effective parenting.

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June 1, 2006, 5:45 pm PDT

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 I have two boys ages 8 and 11.  Their Dad and I have been divorced 5 years now and they see him every other weekend and 2 weeks over the summer.  The problem being that their Dad can be down right cruel to them. My 8yr old has a bed wetting problem and his Dad gets mad at him every time he wets the bed.  Well obviously he can't help wetting the bed and it upsets him without getting grounded from it. A couple weeks ago the was a carnival in the area where my ex lives, so he took both my boys to that but the youngest was not allowed to play any games or ride any rides.  To me this just seems cruel!  They are great kids, they are well behaved and do well in school.
 My oldest is over weight and his Dad will tell him that he is fat and that he needs to lose weight but then at the next meal if he says that he isn't hungry or doesn't clean his plate he gets in trouble. This makes me want to scream! My sons weight problem started when we divorced because his Dad always makes him clean his plate and now he over eats all the time.
 The hardest thins for me is the fact that if I go to their Dad and tell him that the boys are upset or have a problem with anything that goes on at his house he gets angry with the boys. So I feel like it's a catch 22. I've said things to him before and them my boys get either grounded or yelled at for talking to me about what goes on at at his house.
 This hurts me very much but I don't know how to change it.

If I remember correctly 2 boys in 30 still wet the bed at 10 and 1 in 30 at 15.  Their regulatory system is just slower to develop than most.     

  

Avoid blackcurrant, orange and fizzy drinks.  Make sure he drinks during the day,   At bedtime make sure he visits the toilet, let him read or you read to him for half an hour, and then get him to visit the toilet again.  Don't wake him in the middle of the night to prevent a wet bed - you are actuallly teaching him to wet himself because he is too sleepy to properly know what he is doing.   

  

If I were you I'd visit the doctor and see what help is available.  Here in Britain my son was referred to a community nurse and after the above didn't work we tried bed alarms, which he slept through, and then a drug, whose name escapes me.  The drug helped us to get through school overnight trips and sleepovers until my son was about 12 when he no longer needed it.   

 
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June 1, 2006, 6:37 pm PDT

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I empathize with your position of watching your son being forced to be involved in adult issues.  I can't imagine your son's pain.  You need to get out with him as well, alone, and discuss the issue.  I would suggest to take him somewhere where his eyes are not needing to focus on you and where his hands are busy... batting cages, shopping, miniature golfing, etc. and work your way into bringing up scenarios or examples of how you would feel if a friend of yours completely tore a family member or friend to shreds as if they were beneath them.  If he were anything like my 15 yr old son, he would respond with either relating with you or providing a different perspective to begin dialogue.  If this begins, you then would be able to either provide him with a perspective to mull over or validate (which is more likely) his feelings of being put in the middle.

I would also look at physically separating from your husband and either have him move out or bring the kids with you.  Check out the women's crisis center to learn about verbal and emotional as well as possible physical abuse as you may have a case to file a restraining order if he refuses to be the one to leave.  You'll gain more respect from your sons to stand your ground in your rights to receive respect from everyone, including your husband.  It also would not hurt to bring yourself and the kids into counseling, and possibly include your husband if your looking at salvaging your marriage. 

You also need to make sure that you get time to yourself and just breath and reflect.  With this, you'll be able to gain more perspective and strength.  Talk like you've never talked before so your kids see that communication will see your family through.  They are listening to your every word.  Don't be afraid to show your emotions as they will very likely feel the same way but just not want to show you their fears.  You're kids will follow your lead.  My prayers are with you and your sons.
Thanks so much for the insight.  I can't post now, but will return ASAP.  I appreciate the time you took to respond.
 
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June 2, 2006, 8:39 am PDT

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I am married to a wonderful and hardworking man who has custody of his two girls, 10 & 14.  By court order, their mom is to pay child support to him and is allowed 3 weekends out of the month for visitation.  Within the last two months, she was put in jail for non payment of support to the tune of $4000+.  Since her release, a support order has been issued and her wages have begun the garnishment routine.  However, in the last  week or two, she's been kicked out of her mother's apartment, lost her car (which was in need of repairs, anyway), bouncing back and forth from her boyfriend's and friend's house, etc.  She told the girls about ALL of her troubles.  Tonight she is to pickup the girls for the weekend, however told them she had no transportation.  My husband tracked her down last night and asked what was going on.  She asked if he could meet her half way to get the girls.  When he told her of his concern about where the girls were going to be staying and how they would be getting around, she copped an attitude with him and said she'd talk to him about it later.  Later came this morning when she left him a message saying she would be about 30 to 45 minutes late in picking the girls up.  When he called her back and again announced his concern, she hung up on him.  My question and/or concern. . . .do we keep her from taking the girls on the weekend until she has a more permenant and stable place to live along with transportation.  Our fear is another fight, this time between her and her boyfriend AND THEN WHERE WILL THEY GO and HOW WILL THEY GET THERE?  This is such a mess.  I thank God everyday for the relationship I have with my exhusband.  Our sole focus is our two kids.
 
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June 2, 2006, 12:06 pm PDT

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I am married to a wonderful and hardworking man who has custody of his two girls, 10 & 14.  By court order, their mom is to pay child support to him and is allowed 3 weekends out of the month for visitation.  Within the last two months, she was put in jail for non payment of support to the tune of $4000+.  Since her release, a support order has been issued and her wages have begun the garnishment routine.  However, in the last  week or two, she's been kicked out of her mother's apartment, lost her car (which was in need of repairs, anyway), bouncing back and forth from her boyfriend's and friend's house, etc.  She told the girls about ALL of her troubles.  Tonight she is to pickup the girls for the weekend, however told them she had no transportation.  My husband tracked her down last night and asked what was going on.  She asked if he could meet her half way to get the girls.  When he told her of his concern about where the girls were going to be staying and how they would be getting around, she copped an attitude with him and said she'd talk to him about it later.  Later came this morning when she left him a message saying she would be about 30 to 45 minutes late in picking the girls up.  When he called her back and again announced his concern, she hung up on him.  My question and/or concern. . . .do we keep her from taking the girls on the weekend until she has a more permenant and stable place to live along with transportation.  Our fear is another fight, this time between her and her boyfriend AND THEN WHERE WILL THEY GO and HOW WILL THEY GET THERE?  This is such a mess.  I thank God everyday for the relationship I have with my exhusband.  Our sole focus is our two kids.
While she may have legal visitation on paper for the weekends, I would suggest contacting your local child protection unit and find out what the rules in your state are for child endangerment/neglect and being technically homeless with minor children and follow their recommendation.
 
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June 4, 2006, 8:52 pm PDT

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Hmmm.  Well,  I do think you already know what you need to do.    

What would I do if I was you?    

I would either hire a lawyer to set up child support, get back child support, and set up visitation for the father's of your children, both of them, if that's possible.  

You need to set boundries for yourself and your children and stick to them.  Stop letting other people tell you what to do.  Stop overextending yourself to him or anyone else who just takes advantage of you! 

This man has obviously used you.  He wasn't counting on you becoming pregnant.  All the signs were there but like you said, you were in love and didn't want to see it.  Hence the phrase, "love is blind."  

Legal aid is avalible most everywhere, even on the internet.  Think and write down a list of what you want and what you would be willing to live with.  Get legal help and go from there. Set your past feelings aside and treat this situation as a unemotional decission.  

The rejection can be hard to deal with but if you remember it's really just rejection you are feeling, you can rationalize it in your mind a lot better.  He rejected you and SO WHAT!  Yuck!  You didn't want trash like him anyway!  You were in love with the idea of who he faked being.  You are sad at the lose of your idea of what you two would have and become. You do want someone who will respect you and see all the wonderful gifts you have to offer.  He doesn't love you. He's a jerk and you deserve much better.  

This is coming from a woman who is standing on the other side of her own life explosion and even though I did get some burns, I am doing much better now than I was when I was with my X.   

I am with someone now who returns love to me and I can't believe how my own denile stole years of my life and happiness.   

  

Good luck!   

I thank you for taking the time to read my story and I totally agree with you.  I already know that I was taken advantage of and that I was used.  However, my question is what do I do now.  I have to trust these people to take my son.  I don't want him back no way no how... he is her problem now.  I just don't feel comfortable sending my son over to their house knowing that there is abuse in the home.  I have spoken to counclors and lawyers.  The advice I get is that I have to let him go over there anyways until something happens to him.  I really think this is unfair to my son.  As for the court stuff.... we got a childsupport order and the next day he quit his job so there really isn't anything that can be done right now except wait.... the lawyer also told me that I can't fight for a court order tor visitation.  It has to be done by him.  I can't force him to take action.  I could just tell him he can't see him but I don't think that is right either.  I would like him to take me to court... but he doesn't because he knows that his ex's domestic charges with be brought up... So now I am left feeling like I am letting my son see his father who is a complete con man and they go home to a woman who abuses his father..... its all just too weird.
 
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June 6, 2006, 6:05 am PDT

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I thank you for taking the time to read my story and I totally agree with you.  I already know that I was taken advantage of and that I was used.  However, my question is what do I do now.  I have to trust these people to take my son.  I don't want him back no way no how... he is her problem now.  I just don't feel comfortable sending my son over to their house knowing that there is abuse in the home.  I have spoken to counclors and lawyers.  The advice I get is that I have to let him go over there anyways until something happens to him.  I really think this is unfair to my son.  As for the court stuff.... we got a childsupport order and the next day he quit his job so there really isn't anything that can be done right now except wait.... the lawyer also told me that I can't fight for a court order tor visitation.  It has to be done by him.  I can't force him to take action.  I could just tell him he can't see him but I don't think that is right either.  I would like him to take me to court... but he doesn't because he knows that his ex's domestic charges with be brought up... So now I am left feeling like I am letting my son see his father who is a complete con man and they go home to a woman who abuses his father..... its all just too weird.

I understand.  I go through the same thing.    

He can't not work forever. He will have to get another job at some point.   

Send your son on his visitation with nothing.  Just the clean clothes on his back. Take his picture and make sure you date it. If he comes back dirty, and in the same clothes take another picture and date it.  No toys, nothing.  Weigh him when he goes and when he comes home.  Journal everything!  When he starts paying you child support pack only a small bag with a single change of clothes.  This will teach your X to provide for his son. Your X's vanity will do all the work for you.   

Check over your son with a fine tooth comb when he comes home to you.  If they are abusing him, you will know.  If you see anything, take him to the ER and have them check him out. Take pictures of any scratches or brusing. Date them. Watch for behavioral changes in him. Read up on the signs of abuse.  Journal everything! Get him into some kind of counseling as soon as he is able, so you are not the only one who sees these changes.  Show the counselor all the pictures. The pictures will provide the court with proof that he is not fit to have visitation with his son.   

 It's a waiting game. If a counselor knows abuse is going on, it's their job to report it to the athorities.  It is law.  

Your X may surprise you.  She may be abusive to him, but if she starts in on his child, he just may let her have it.   

What you are learning now is what I have learned.  Patience.   

It's a sad thing, in our court system, that abuse can happen and people are still given rights.  It's sad that we have to wait for bad things to happen to have proof that the possibility is there.  It really makes me sick.  It makes us feel like we are sending our children to the wolves.  

One more thing.  Tell your X you are watching him. Let him know very calmly and in a very direct mannor.  Look him straight in the eye and don't flinch.  Tell him if you see as much as a scratch on your boy, he will learn what it is like to deal with a mother bear.  Tell him to tell his wife too.  He may balk but don't engage in a fight.  Don't explain why you are telling him this.  Tell him you mean what you say and there are no excuses.  Stay calm and cold about it.  Do it when you are handing him over and then just walk away.    

Keep your daughter away from the both of them.  They do not have legal right to her and you do not give in to this by any means.  When your son is gone make the time you have with her alone your time to do girl things together.  Paint toes, do hair, go to the park, bake cookies and watch her favorite movie, whatever.  Make her realize this time with your son away is her time for you alone.  She will lose interest in going.    

The next thing is the hardest and why we are put into these places in our lives.  Give God a chance to protect your son.  Let go of control and give it over to Him.  You will be surprized at what He will do. :)  Your son is a child of God first.  If you pray for God to protect him while he is with his father, He will protect him.    

You need to learn to use the system against him.  Do only what you are ordered by the court to do and nothing more.  Do not give in to any outside requests. Do not enable or feel pity for your X.  He made his bed.    

He will call you names, and be rude.  Ignore it.  Write it down.  JOURNAL EVERYTHING!    

Good luck to you.  I will pray for you to be strong.    

Keep me posted.  

   

   

 
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June 7, 2006, 8:43 am PDT

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  Hi I am a mother of 3 wonderful daughters. One is from my ex husband, child with him is 7 years old. brief back ground, he would beat, rape and yell, throw anything he could pick up. but the line is where i seen him masturbating with my oldest daughter in the same room. Now we have been divorced for four year i have not been with him for almost 7 years. I had a restraining order on him for three years. but as time goes on he pushes right to the line.   

At 18 MO. my daughter had problems in her private area the doctor thinks there was something going on but not enough proof it was bad and still is she is 7 now. I am told all the time unless she says something there is really nothing i can do. she shows all the signs that is happening but she will not talk. now he has been remarried and she thinks that she is the mom and they want her to move in with them.  she has a step sister which i fear for. but now she has come home and tells me that she gives her step sister shots of insulin and checks her blood sugar with the same needle that they all use. child service don't think there is any thing wrong with this it is like i live in the twilight zone. i think he touches her . i think he is putting  her in danger with these needles and i think she can hurt the little sister. what can i do i feel like i yell at the top of my lungs to child services and nothing but i do know that if he is touching her and something happens like HIV or hep-c i will sue the crap out of this state protect our kids well the suck at it i need help.  

 
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June 7, 2006, 1:16 pm PDT

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  Hi I am a mother of 3 wonderful daughters. One is from my ex husband, child with him is 7 years old. brief back ground, he would beat, rape and yell, throw anything he could pick up. but the line is where i seen him masturbating with my oldest daughter in the same room. Now we have been divorced for four year i have not been with him for almost 7 years. I had a restraining order on him for three years. but as time goes on he pushes right to the line.   

At 18 MO. my daughter had problems in her private area the doctor thinks there was something going on but not enough proof it was bad and still is she is 7 now. I am told all the time unless she says something there is really nothing i can do. she shows all the signs that is happening but she will not talk. now he has been remarried and she thinks that she is the mom and they want her to move in with them.  she has a step sister which i fear for. but now she has come home and tells me that she gives her step sister shots of insulin and checks her blood sugar with the same needle that they all use. child service don't think there is any thing wrong with this it is like i live in the twilight zone. i think he touches her . i think he is putting  her in danger with these needles and i think she can hurt the little sister. what can i do i feel like i yell at the top of my lungs to child services and nothing but i do know that if he is touching her and something happens like HIV or hep-c i will sue the crap out of this state protect our kids well the suck at it i need help.  

   

  Unfortunately, the old addage "A few bad apples spoil the whole barrel" applies here.  CPS is recluctant to charge a parent when the child will say nothing, and there is no proof.  It would be easier to prove if your husband were beating your daughter-- but as long as she says nothing about it-- your hands are tied.  I turned my ex into CPS after he assaulted our son (age 6 at the time)  in his car.  My child came to me in fear of his father-- and since I did not know better, I waited a week before I reported my son's father.  Now I know better.  It could be that your ex is not -- yes-- NOT harming your daughter, but is leading up to it.  Since your daughter is only 7, I would suggest you get her into a child councelor to help her deal with her inability to talk about it..  That therapy will also help you to deal with your daughter later on when the effects begin, and try to find one that is willing to go to court later on when your ex husband does infact do cruelty to your child. Your daughter at such a young age, may not realize she is in any danger-- for now.   

 
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June 7, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

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This is my first post and am not sure about the logistics/place to post my issue.  Please feel free to guide me, if you will.   

   

My husb & don't see eye to eye on many issues.  This issue has been making me crazy & I am at my wits end in how to handle it.  A couple of nights ago, I overheard my husb talking to my 15 year old son.  He was saying things that I feel are inappropriate behavior for any adult to discuss with a child, much less, a father to a child.  Even though our relationship is hanging by a thread, I was, and still am furious.   

   

Past bedtime, I told my kids that it was time to get ready and go to bed.  After the usual balking from my 2 sons, they huffed and and went off to get ready for bed.  As a custom, once they are in bed, my husb & I tuck them in, individually. He usually goes first.  This is a just a small bit of "quality time", in my eyes, between us.  I went in to tuck in my 15 year old and overheard my husb talking, in hushed tones.  He was telling my son how he knows how he (my son) feels because "she treats me like that every day of my life....how do you think it makes me feel when she....., and I don't want you to grow up and be like her..." etc.  As you would correctly assume, there is a lot going on in my marriage.  Not to draw the story out, my husb was saying things to my son that were inappropriate and in my eyes unforgivable.  He was saying things to my 15 year old that should have never been said. They are issues between my husb and me.  When my husb saw me standing there, he asks, "what's the matter, you didn't hear anything that wasn't true."  I hope you get the picture.  There is much more going on than I have written which I won't go into now.   

   

When my husb left, my son was livid.  He was as upset as I have ever seen him be.  He strained his muscles so hard in fury that his legs trembled uncontrolably and the next morning he had red spots on his neck  where the blood was forced to the surface from his straining.  I stayed with him, staying silent, until he settled down.  He did the talking first.  He begged me to not say anything to his dad because it would only make matters worse.  Hope by now, you've got the picture.  I slept on the couch.   

   

Next day, my husb acts like nothing ever happened, so did my son.  This makes me crazy too.  My husb then procedes to invite my son to go with him to do some stuff.  They're gone for most of the day.  My husb's actions are so inappropriate that I can only imagine what he said to my son while they were gone.   

   

I don't know what to do now.  Everybody's acting like nothing happened.  I know I have issues with harboring up anger and not being very forgiving, but no appologies have been made and I can't get over it.    

   

Any comment, advice, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  I desperately need response.  Thank you for reading this far, I am counting on your comments to help me.  Please respond.  

   

   

 A.  Never bring a child into their parents difficulty's.   Tell you ex to stop-- and if he doesn't., get your ducks in a row (Job, money, housing) and bail on him.  Give yourself a time line.  You husband does not understand the damage he's doing, or cares that he is.   

   

At your son's age... they wont like being moved away from their dad... but they will appreciate the PEACE that comes from being away.   

   

 B.  DO NOT TALK TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT What your husband is doing... that's just more of the same... and they will feel put in the middle.   

   

C.  You did not explain what your husband was talking to your son about.... was your behavior bad ? Are you the one who needs apologize first ?  (Yeah it's possible women make mistakes)  No, I dont  know what you mean.  I dont understand the part about your son "straining" .  I've never seen that from being angry.   

   

D.  if you know you have "Issues harboring anger and not being very forgiving"   Then I suggest you take steps to STOP that behavior your husband is talking to your son's about.  You can't control what he does, but you can control yourself.  Be angry, but vent in other ways that do not affect your family.... Personally, I journal-- and I pity the fool who ever reads those books I write in.   

   

I suggest 2 books.   One is called Light his fire" by Ellen Kriedman-- not to light your husband's fire, but to learn "Creative manipulation"  Like instead of fighting, just do what you plan to do... and dont expect an apology-- they obvioulsy dont think they owe you one.  Sounds like alot of keeping score to me.   

   

The second book is  by Laura Schlesinger... "The care and feeding of husbands" .  Im not saying he's right, Im saying there is help available to you-- for you-- and these books will help you to understand how your husband thinks-- as a male of the species-- and how to Counter act what he's doing to your son's.  The key to victory is not getting an ulcer, but rather let your husband see how educated mother bears can become.  We are exquisitly dangerous then...  

   

   

 
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June 7, 2006, 1:50 pm PDT

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I think that divorced parents should welcome the step parents into their childrens lives, if they are a source of love and care for your children. The more people to love a child the better. It is not a competition!! My mother worked full time, my whole life, she and my dad divorced when I was 2. My dad remarried when I was 6, my mom when I was 5. My stepdad treated me as his own, if people didnt know us well they would have thought that I was his biologically. My step mom was a stay at home wife and later mother, she would come and help out at my school and watch my sports games and things when my mom could not cos she was working. My dad also worked so he couldnt be there and it was nice to have someone there to support me. Why is it a competition? I benefitted from the best of both worlds. I now have 2 stepdaughters and a son of my own, when the children are at our house I am the "mom" of the house. I am not their mother, I do not try to be, but I do all the things for them that their mom would do if they were at home and my husband does the dad things. We have rules in our house, a little different from the rules at mommy's but if I say no it is no whether I am the parent or not. I think that mothers can get quite jealous of step mothers and it is not neccessary. WE all just want the best for the kids, we want them to be happy and loved and feel special eventhough they are from a divorced situation. I say work together, teach your children respect and love even for those that are not the natural parent, but also put energy and love into being a respectable influence in their lives.
 It's nice you had a nice situation, unfortunately, that is NOT the norm.  I have friends, neighbors and relatives who use children as excuses and pawns and not much else.  Atleast  in your situation-- you had decent adults.  A rarity these days.
 
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