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June 7, 2006, 1:58 pm PDT

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I am married to a wonderful and hardworking man who has custody of his two girls, 10 & 14.  By court order, their mom is to pay child support to him and is allowed 3 weekends out of the month for visitation.  Within the last two months, she was put in jail for non payment of support to the tune of $4000+.  Since her release, a support order has been issued and her wages have begun the garnishment routine.  However, in the last  week or two, she's been kicked out of her mother's apartment, lost her car (which was in need of repairs, anyway), bouncing back and forth from her boyfriend's and friend's house, etc.  She told the girls about ALL of her troubles.  Tonight she is to pickup the girls for the weekend, however told them she had no transportation.  My husband tracked her down last night and asked what was going on.  She asked if he could meet her half way to get the girls.  When he told her of his concern about where the girls were going to be staying and how they would be getting around, she copped an attitude with him and said she'd talk to him about it later.  Later came this morning when she left him a message saying she would be about 30 to 45 minutes late in picking the girls up.  When he called her back and again announced his concern, she hung up on him.  My question and/or concern. . . .do we keep her from taking the girls on the weekend until she has a more permenant and stable place to live along with transportation.  Our fear is another fight, this time between her and her boyfriend AND THEN WHERE WILL THEY GO and HOW WILL THEY GET THERE?  This is such a mess.  I thank God everyday for the relationship I have with my exhusband.  Our sole focus is our two kids.

 So Basically she's a flake and a homeless loser.  

  

 You did not mention drugs, but for some reason your husband has custody.  Is it possible to lower her child support amount so she can live and visit her kids ?   I know, insane idea... People tihnk I am nuts, because I dont push for exorbitant fees-- I just think a person can have a living wage, pay child support and see their kids.  

  

If my son went to live with my ex... before he's 18 or out of school-- my ex would take me to cleaners, and I would fight him tooth and claw to keep child support fair.  I waived alimony... because it was not my intention to break his back.  His life is bad enough with that insane woman he lives with-- and I am teaching him how to treat our son when he is with him.  

He used to be "Mr. Can't Be Bothered".  

  

I'm not saying the girls mother is okay.. or even right...Im just saying there could be another way.  Until she is more stable, she should not be having over night visits with those girls.  It sounds like she needs to go back to school.  It sounds like a lot of chaos-- but again-- we don't have all the information either.  I know the games they play, it's not fun, but in the end it's the kids who pay-- Hopefully she'll get her life straightened out.  

 
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June 7, 2006, 2:15 pm PDT

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I posted here earlier this month regarding my son's new stepmother. So you don't have to scroll back, I'll fill you in (and add some more info as well): this woman used to be my and my ex's next-door neighbor. She and I were very friendly, more than acquaintances but not exactly friends. I always felt a little sorry for her, as she was almost 40, very, VERY overweight, lived alone; I never saw her go out with friends or have any over, and she said she hadn't had a boyfriend in about six years. She would always invite me to stop over her house, which I did on occasion, and we talked a lot. She would give me her phone # all the time, wanting to go out, but honestly, I have an extremely large group of friends with whom I spent the majority of my free time, and all with the same personality as myself, which is very extroverted, dramatic and loud (courtesy of our line of work). I just didn't think she would fit in at all, and that it would be a very uncomfortable situation for her, as is usually the case when people outside of our industry spend time with us. As far as she and I hanging out one-on-one, well, I didn't feel we had enough in common. Frankly, she's quite boring. But very nice.   

   

After the baby was born, I would stop by her house occasionally on our daily walks (by that time she had moved to a different part of the development). Also by that time, my relationship with my son's father was deteriorating rapidly, due mostly to the fact that, according to what he told his best friend, he "wasn't ready for the responsibility of being a parent." No kidding. He started going out all the time, I mean leave in the morning to "do errands," not come home till night time, then five minutes later another friend would call and out he'd go again until the wee hours. He'd come home at 3-4am, dead drunk, knowing I had to leave for work at 7:30 and he was supposed to watch the baby. I'd have to call out of work. He put all of his money in the bank, spending it only on himself, whereas I emptied my savings account AND went into my 401(k) just trying to cover my share of the bills and feed and clothe our child on a reduced income (not only a mandatory six months of maternity leave at 2/3 of my salary, but then when I went back to work I had to cut my hours as I became increasingly fearful for our son's safety with him while I was away on business trips. Friends would tell me he would drink "more than he should when he's supposed to be taking care of the baby." There were several Britney Spears-like incidents when he was watching him.). It was awful. Anyhoo, I told this girl EVERYTHING. I'd be crying every time I saw her. When I finally left him, he was arrested for slamming me into the wall with the baby in my arms...and he's a COP! I told her this, too, and that I'd found out he'd had domestics with other girlfriends. I'll also add that I knew OF, but she actually knew PERSONALLY his girlfriend who "killed herself" with his own service weapon. Even though the circumstances were shady, and he was a suspect, the case was closed without further investigation...I found that part out after I left.  So imagine my shock when, about a year after I left him, she lost about 100 pounds and started dating him. They just got married.   

   

Now, just as I believed everything he told me about his ex-girlfriends (they were "mental cases," according to him) she now believes not what I told her about him all that time, but what he's been telling her about me...very bad things, all of which are untrue, and which were proved in court to be untrue. But then again, she wasn't allowed to sit in on the trial, so all she knows is what HE told her. HEL-LO...we DIDN'T get joint custody, as is the norm. I was awarded full physical custody. Now, doesn't she think there's got to be a very good reason for that? Nooo, she believes HIM when he says it's because we "had a crooked judge." Uh, the trial was held in the jurisdiction in which he works, HE'S the one with the connections! I LOST two of my motions regarding the domestic since we couldn't find one judge who didn't know him who could hear the motions unbiasedly. The whole point is, she now sees me in a different light, so to speak, thinking I am this evil person. I have invited her to lunch twice to talk, she has declined. She is actually very condescending and oftentimes b**chy to me. The childless 40-year-old tries to give me parenting advice, insinuating that I am not taking care of my son properly! Whatever, the whole thing really doesn't bother me...I've just been trying to work on our relationship as she is now my son's stepmother. Hard to do, when she won't even look me in the eye. She starts shaking, sometimes uncontrollably, when she's near me.    

   

Anyway, I think I may have inadvertently caused some more friction today...about a month BEFORE the wedding (which was three weeks ago), I noticed that she was putting on some weight. Last week she was wearing a fitted sweater and her tummy looked rather full. Today she picked my son up to take him to a family BBQ and she was wearing a flowy top and has seemed to really have put the weight on. So I guess I jumped to conclusions. My son was having a fit, screaming and crying, because he didn't want to go, so I didn't get a chance to tell her that he had a slight fever when he woke up. So I went in and called his father to tell HIM, and I said, "Oh, congratulations," to which he replied, "Thank you." I then asked when the baby was due.  ************Uh, she's NOT PREGNANT. Oh my G*d, I don't know what to do now, they will obviously think I was being snarky, and I honestly thought the girl was with child, she put on so much weight so fast...and I figured that since she's 40 now that they'd try for a child immediately. Any ideas on how to repair this? I'm afraid that I may have irreparably screwed things up just when I felt that the friction was starting to die down....   

 From all you stated... who says you have to be friends ?  

  

 Granted you "used to know her" but that's all changed.  She's going to learn as you did-- (and I was married to that exact same guy by the way)  she's just stepped into your shoes... give it time.  They're on what-- year 2 ?  year 3... wait for years 5- 9... then it get REALLY interesting.. 

  

 Alot of overweight women are asked if they are pregnant.  Im sure you wont be the last !... ROFL ! 

and hey, we all know how our ex's--how  they feel about fat women... the point I am making is this... Given enough time, things will degrade.  She was convienient...and continues to be so... we both know this.  

All you have to do (since you have all the power, and the child) is to protect your child... I'm wondering if maybe she's CAN'Thave kids... and thus you have a child with her "for now" husband..and that's why she shakes.   Women are territorily odd-ball that way.  I say the men in these stories get exactly what they deserve, and we the ex-wives, are only the spectators.    :)  to the train wreck... just keep your boy safe from the flying debris..  ( Like you, I am now the "Psycho ex Banshee" ... Time is a terrible secret keeper)  

 
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June 7, 2006, 2:21 pm PDT

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I am the mother of three children, 17,15 & 12. While the youngest lives with me, the older two live with thier father. he allows them to smoke pot in the house (whether he is home or not). I'm afraid my youngest will want to join them and thier friends. Calling child protective services seems to be my only option, but I'm not sure that will help our relationship. When I told my ex I planned on drug testing my youngest when she came home, he told her to drink lots of water to flush her system out. Any suggestions 

 Call CPS.... file a complaint... and you kids will be interviewed.. by a CPS agent... they will either lie, or cop a 'tude and say "no big deal"... lets hope for the latter. 

  

 Yeah, your going to be hated... despised... called a nark... but deep down.. they will know they are protected and loved.... and when they are 25 or 30.. they're going to say "Mom, you were right" . 

  

I know... my ex attacked my 6 year old... I believed him when no else wanted to because it was too hard.. too sticky,  too "out of character" and it was my 6 year old word against his fathers.. who of course.. Minimized the incident to a tap on the head and name call..  HA !   No one would believe my child. and they were just too scared, or considered it too upsetting and  painful to do anything about it.   My son knows I love him, I protect him and I will go to the wall for him... I am his MOM...and boy... you better believe my ex walks on eggshells...and for good reason now.  

No one hurts my son and gets away with it.  

  

Defend your children.  

 
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June 7, 2006, 2:54 pm PDT

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My son is ten years old.  His father and I have been divorced for 5 years.  His dad has a girlfriend of about 2 years and it seems the new girlfriend and dad are inseparable.  They work together, they live together, and recently took a 12 day trip to Germany together to meet her family.  While they were away, my son's father did not communicate with his son at all due to lack of preparation and concern about the time difference.  My son was very anxious while his dad was away.  As soon as the pair returned, I asked that my son's father please spend quality one-on-one time with his son.  He said he would, yet picked up his son with the girlfriend and promptly spent the day with both, his son and his girlfriend.  My son has indicated that he would like to have time "just with dad" sometimes even though he really likes dad's girlfriend.  I am very upset that my ex would disregard his son's request for "dad time" by continuing to spend time with his son, and with his girlfriend.  What is my role in helping my ex see how vital it is to maintain an individual relationship with his son, knowing that his girlfriend needs to take a step back, just once in a while?
 
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June 7, 2006, 7:54 pm PDT

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I understand.  I go through the same thing.    

He can't not work forever. He will have to get another job at some point.   

Send your son on his visitation with nothing.  Just the clean clothes on his back. Take his picture and make sure you date it. If he comes back dirty, and in the same clothes take another picture and date it.  No toys, nothing.  Weigh him when he goes and when he comes home.  Journal everything!  When he starts paying you child support pack only a small bag with a single change of clothes.  This will teach your X to provide for his son. Your X's vanity will do all the work for you.   

Check over your son with a fine tooth comb when he comes home to you.  If they are abusing him, you will know.  If you see anything, take him to the ER and have them check him out. Take pictures of any scratches or brusing. Date them. Watch for behavioral changes in him. Read up on the signs of abuse.  Journal everything! Get him into some kind of counseling as soon as he is able, so you are not the only one who sees these changes.  Show the counselor all the pictures. The pictures will provide the court with proof that he is not fit to have visitation with his son.   

 It's a waiting game. If a counselor knows abuse is going on, it's their job to report it to the athorities.  It is law.  

Your X may surprise you.  She may be abusive to him, but if she starts in on his child, he just may let her have it.   

What you are learning now is what I have learned.  Patience.   

It's a sad thing, in our court system, that abuse can happen and people are still given rights.  It's sad that we have to wait for bad things to happen to have proof that the possibility is there.  It really makes me sick.  It makes us feel like we are sending our children to the wolves.  

One more thing.  Tell your X you are watching him. Let him know very calmly and in a very direct mannor.  Look him straight in the eye and don't flinch.  Tell him if you see as much as a scratch on your boy, he will learn what it is like to deal with a mother bear.  Tell him to tell his wife too.  He may balk but don't engage in a fight.  Don't explain why you are telling him this.  Tell him you mean what you say and there are no excuses.  Stay calm and cold about it.  Do it when you are handing him over and then just walk away.    

Keep your daughter away from the both of them.  They do not have legal right to her and you do not give in to this by any means.  When your son is gone make the time you have with her alone your time to do girl things together.  Paint toes, do hair, go to the park, bake cookies and watch her favorite movie, whatever.  Make her realize this time with your son away is her time for you alone.  She will lose interest in going.    

The next thing is the hardest and why we are put into these places in our lives.  Give God a chance to protect your son.  Let go of control and give it over to Him.  You will be surprized at what He will do. :)  Your son is a child of God first.  If you pray for God to protect him while he is with his father, He will protect him.    

You need to learn to use the system against him.  Do only what you are ordered by the court to do and nothing more.  Do not give in to any outside requests. Do not enable or feel pity for your X.  He made his bed.    

He will call you names, and be rude.  Ignore it.  Write it down.  JOURNAL EVERYTHING!    

Good luck to you.  I will pray for you to be strong.    

Keep me posted.  

   

   

Not much more to say to that... but thank you
 
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June 7, 2006, 8:38 pm PDT

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  Unfortunately, the old addage "A few bad apples spoil the whole barrel" applies here.  CPS is recluctant to charge a parent when the child will say nothing, and there is no proof.  It would be easier to prove if your husband were beating your daughter-- but as long as she says nothing about it-- your hands are tied.  I turned my ex into CPS after he assaulted our son (age 6 at the time)  in his car.  My child came to me in fear of his father-- and since I did not know better, I waited a week before I reported my son's father.  Now I know better.  It could be that your ex is not -- yes-- NOT harming your daughter, but is leading up to it.  Since your daughter is only 7, I would suggest you get her into a child councelor to help her deal with her inability to talk about it..  That therapy will also help you to deal with your daughter later on when the effects begin, and try to find one that is willing to go to court later on when your ex husband does infact do cruelty to your child. Your daughter at such a young age, may not realize she is in any danger-- for now.   

I thank you for your reply i feel so alone with this and hurt because i cant protect her i thank you again for your information. I am taking her to see someone but she is still just getting to know her. i just feel like he has that gun to my head again and i don't know if the bullet is coming or not, thanks for talking to me.
 
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June 8, 2006, 4:44 pm PDT

He wants full time custody/

On Mothers day weekend, my ex-husband came up to me and asked me if the girls could live with him.  Why? I asked.  He said that he is missing out with the girls and wants to spend the time with them.  He said that he was moving next year and wanted to spend time with him.  My answer to him was NO.  I have been able since our divorce, maintane a stable enviorment, work full time, have adequent child care after school, be home everynight for dinner, help with homework and bedtimes.  I am there for all the tears and laughter.  I am there when my oldest has to go to Shriners hospital for her apointments.  He has always been in formed of everyting that goes on in the girls lives.  Yes, he lives in the same area.  He has had all the oportunity to go with our daughter to her apointments.  My girls are doing great in school. My oldest has a 3.o average.  My youngest made 100% on all of her state required testest.  Now, there father has never been home, even when we were married. Has never been involved with the girls in school, after school, homework. Has never come to see the girls on his one night aweek visit.  Is barely home when the girls go over for his weekend.  His wife sees the girls more than he does.  (Her and I do not get along either)  Last year, I got remarried to a wonderful guy who is more involved with the girls.  The girls love their father.  But, they don't want to live with him either.  When their step mom gets mad, everyone suffers and they do not like it.  So, let me ask, what kind of mom would I be if I let my girls move in with him? He lives in a different school zone.  I told him NO.  The odds of him taking the girls with him are that much greater. I was not born yesturday.  I am a good mom. Ladies, if your ex is trying to bully you, stick to your guns if you have primary custoldial residentacy, no one can take that away from you.  What my ex is doing is wrong, he can not see that right now.  This battle is not over for me, I am sticking to my guns and contuning to give my girls love and support.  

 
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June 9, 2006, 6:17 am PDT

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On Mothers day weekend, my ex-husband came up to me and asked me if the girls could live with him.  Why? I asked.  He said that he is missing out with the girls and wants to spend the time with them.  He said that he was moving next year and wanted to spend time with him.  My answer to him was NO.  I have been able since our divorce, maintane a stable enviorment, work full time, have adequent child care after school, be home everynight for dinner, help with homework and bedtimes.  I am there for all the tears and laughter.  I am there when my oldest has to go to Shriners hospital for her apointments.  He has always been in formed of everyting that goes on in the girls lives.  Yes, he lives in the same area.  He has had all the oportunity to go with our daughter to her apointments.  My girls are doing great in school. My oldest has a 3.o average.  My youngest made 100% on all of her state required testest.  Now, there father has never been home, even when we were married. Has never been involved with the girls in school, after school, homework. Has never come to see the girls on his one night aweek visit.  Is barely home when the girls go over for his weekend.  His wife sees the girls more than he does.  (Her and I do not get along either)  Last year, I got remarried to a wonderful guy who is more involved with the girls.  The girls love their father.  But, they don't want to live with him either.  When their step mom gets mad, everyone suffers and they do not like it.  So, let me ask, what kind of mom would I be if I let my girls move in with him? He lives in a different school zone.  I told him NO.  The odds of him taking the girls with him are that much greater. I was not born yesturday.  I am a good mom. Ladies, if your ex is trying to bully you, stick to your guns if you have primary custoldial residentacy, no one can take that away from you.  What my ex is doing is wrong, he can not see that right now.  This battle is not over for me, I am sticking to my guns and contuning to give my girls love and support.  

Just because he wants something doesn't mean it's for the right reasons.  You are right in thinking and saying he has the opportunity to be more involved now.  

It sounds like a ploy to me.  He probably thinks if he has them for a year, when he moves, they will want to go with him.    

He also probably thinks if you sign them over to him this will show your children you really don't want them.    

Stick to it.    

Talk to the girls and tell them their father wants to be more active in their lives but they will still live with you.    

Be careful.  He may start with the bribes.  This is what my X has done.  Trips, clothes, perfume, etc.  

They may be too young to respond to it now, but the teenage years are coming and that is when they get selfish.    

I'm glad to hear he's moving away.  I wish my X would.  lol 

Keep the girls grades up as well as their attendence at school.  If he has them during school, make sure you keep track if the girls are late getting to school or missing school on his time.  Also pay attention to homework.  Watch and see if he does his job as a parent  and journal all of it.  This way, if he does try and take them, you will have proof of your skills to his.   

It sounds like you are already good at keeping track of most of it.  Journal all of it so you can show proof if you need it.   

All in all, I say you are right on.  Stand your ground.    

  

  

 
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June 13, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

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 A.  Never bring a child into their parents difficulty's.   Tell you ex to stop-- and if he doesn't., get your ducks in a row (Job, money, housing) and bail on him.  Give yourself a time line.  You husband does not understand the damage he's doing, or cares that he is.   

   

At your son's age... they wont like being moved away from their dad... but they will appreciate the PEACE that comes from being away.   

   

 B.  DO NOT TALK TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT What your husband is doing... that's just more of the same... and they will feel put in the middle.   

   

C.  You did not explain what your husband was talking to your son about.... was your behavior bad ? Are you the one who needs apologize first ?  (Yeah it's possible women make mistakes)  No, I dont  know what you mean.  I dont understand the part about your son "straining" .  I've never seen that from being angry.   

   

D.  if you know you have "Issues harboring anger and not being very forgiving"   Then I suggest you take steps to STOP that behavior your husband is talking to your son's about.  You can't control what he does, but you can control yourself.  Be angry, but vent in other ways that do not affect your family.... Personally, I journal-- and I pity the fool who ever reads those books I write in.   

   

I suggest 2 books.   One is called Light his fire" by Ellen Kriedman-- not to light your husband's fire, but to learn "Creative manipulation"  Like instead of fighting, just do what you plan to do... and dont expect an apology-- they obvioulsy dont think they owe you one.  Sounds like alot of keeping score to me.   

   

The second book is  by Laura Schlesinger... "The care and feeding of husbands" .  Im not saying he's right, Im saying there is help available to you-- for you-- and these books will help you to understand how your husband thinks-- as a male of the species-- and how to Counter act what he's doing to your son's.  The key to victory is not getting an ulcer, but rather let your husband see how educated mother bears can become.  We are exquisitly dangerous then...  

   

   

I tend to want to agree with you about her problems but something isn't sitting right with me. 

It's too obvious. 

It sounds like this family needs counseling.  There are issues here that are not being delt with and when they are, it's not the right forum. 

The woman who wrote  this post sounds like she has issues she is not dealing with.  She's pushed them down inside and she is in denile they are there.  These problems seep out and her children are seeing them.   

I'm not saying the husband didn't cause some or all of the problems. Whatever did needs to be delt with. She needs to get help and stop the denile.   

I also feel the perinoid behavior.  She's afraid.  She can't even tell us what's really going on because she doesn't want her husband to see what she's written.  She's afraid he will and then use it against her with her children.  She's holding on so tightly because she's afraid her life will fall apart.   

It won't.  It will fall into place. 

    

  

 
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June 21, 2006, 3:58 am PDT

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I have a 9year old daughter who goes to her dads for summer court ordered visitation. While she is there for 2 weeks at a time for a total of 6 weeks ...She stays at her g parents....he works 2nd shift.   

I try to call her at her g parents and they either do not answer or will not let her return my phone calls...or when I do get through they tell her she can not talk long and run up the cell phone bill or waste the minutes. For the last couple of years...when ever I call and do get to talk to her she will not tell me that she loves me when I tell her. Her father and I have been divorced since she was 1 year old .I asked her why she does this.....I don't know......is what I get ...It makes me very upset and I cry over it .....I believe that they are filling her head with a bunch of BS....I 've told her dad about this before and he doesn't say anything..... Her grand mother has also written her letters which I did read because she couldn't read the writing.....and told her that she needed to make a decision between playing soccer and going camping that she couldn't do both this summer. Last summer she told me..." I hate when you try to plan Ted's weekends" because there was a soccer game at 9 in the morning. I really hope that my daughter is aloud to love at her g parents...I told her that she is aloud to tell people that she loves them .....it's alright to love your parents....I asked her how she would feel if she told me that she loved me and I didn't tell her back?....Not good ....was her response.....I asked if we need to use code words when I was able to talk to her at her dads.....or g parents house ...like I say pb she says jelly.....she said that she didn't want to say jelly...she would say cup. Some one please help!!!  

 
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