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(Original Air Date: 04/03/06) Marri and Jessica both want to confront their mothers, who they say were neglectful and abusive during their childhoods. Marri has put up with her mother, Marilyn's, addiction to crack cocaine for 18 years, and she's ready to shut her mom out of her life for good if she doesn't admit she has a problem and seek help for it. Marilyn says her drug use is the solution, not the problem, and she can be a good mother and still smoke crack. Then, Jessica says she had to care for herself when she was a little girl. Her mother, Deana, was never around, and when she was, she was bringing strange men home for sex. In a ploy for attention, Deana committed her daughter to a mental institution -- three times! Tired of holding in her anger, Jessica demands her mother take responsibility for what she's done. Will these daughters get some emotional closure on their painful childhoods? Share your thoughts here.

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April 5, 2006, 8:06 pm PDT

Be strong

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I am a married mother of two and my husband is a crack addict.  He has been even before we met over 16 years ago.  I always held out hope that eventually he would get the help that he needs and be the father and husband that the children and I need for him to be. I have lost hope and I simply want out.  I want peace.  I have made up my mind that I am ready to do whtatever it is that I need to do to have peace.  I have held on because of the financial support but I'm tired of this roller coaster. We bought our home 8 months ago and with the cost of daycare I have been a fraid to go it alone. I'm not afraid anymore. I am willing to work my full-time job and 2 part-times if I have to.  I have a plan I just need to clear out the confusion and chaos to get peace.

I too was married to a crack addict and forced to be a single parent because he was always on binges. I made a decision, a very tough one, to get out and do whatever I had to in order to raise our two children in a healthy and stable home. That was 9 years ago. I have managed to work part-time, from our home, and eventually full-time to make ends meet. Regardless of how difficult it has been to go it alone, I have no regrets and have grown in ways I never imagined I could. I am not beaten down emotionally or physically anylonger... I have hope of a great today and even tomorrows! When someone tells you it will be hard - beleive them, it will be, but nothing worthwhile comes easy!! Give it all you've got to make a good life for you and your children! YOU are every reason you need to live a free and GOOD life! Best to you and your kids! 

  

  

 
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April 6, 2006, 6:06 am PDT

I ALWAYS BLAMED MYSELF

 One of my earliest memories of my Mother was her telling me that I was a mistake and that she didn't want me. She had been married before with 2 kids and when she married my Dad, he was an alcoholic with suicidal issues.  I came along and spent the next 46 years trying to please her. She's been dead for 5 now and she doesn't have to torture me any longer because I do it myself.  I have low (or maybe no) self-esteem and I think I would have turned out differently if my Mother loved me.  It's amazing to me that I have been married for over 30 years to a great man - how he sticks with me is a miracle. I love my kids so much I could not imagine hating them the way my Mother hated me. I always blamed myself - if only I was pretty, if only I was smart, etc. To tell of all of the ways she "hated" me would take all day. Someday I hope to move beyond this and heal. But for now, I'm alone.  Very few people know how miserable I am. I am good at putting on faces.
 
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April 6, 2006, 9:22 am PDT

04/03 Mommy Dearest

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 One of my earliest memories of my Mother was her telling me that I was a mistake and that she didn't want me. She had been married before with 2 kids and when she married my Dad, he was an alcoholic with suicidal issues.  I came along and spent the next 46 years trying to please her. She's been dead for 5 now and she doesn't have to torture me any longer because I do it myself.  I have low (or maybe no) self-esteem and I think I would have turned out differently if my Mother loved me.  It's amazing to me that I have been married for over 30 years to a great man - how he sticks with me is a miracle. I love my kids so much I could not imagine hating them the way my Mother hated me. I always blamed myself - if only I was pretty, if only I was smart, etc. To tell of all of the ways she "hated" me would take all day. Someday I hope to move beyond this and heal. But for now, I'm alone.  Very few people know how miserable I am. I am good at putting on faces.

You had 46 years of such misery with your Mom. Did you not ever rebel or anything when you were growing up. My Mom was miserable (still is) but I used to stand up to her. Yes, I was also with low to no self esteem but have a little now.  Did you have anyone to talk to growing up? I had a big sister (12 years older). She lived in another state so I had some support with regarding my crazy Mom. Boy without that, I think I would feel more like you do today.  You could so benefit with talking to a friend or someone about all the crap you endured. Isn't there anyone??? 

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April 6, 2006, 12:34 pm PDT

04/03 Mommy Dearest

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You had 46 years of such misery with your Mom. Did you not ever rebel or anything when you were growing up. My Mom was miserable (still is) but I used to stand up to her. Yes, I was also with low to no self esteem but have a little now.  Did you have anyone to talk to growing up? I had a big sister (12 years older). She lived in another state so I had some support with regarding my crazy Mom. Boy without that, I think I would feel more like you do today.  You could so benefit with talking to a friend or someone about all the crap you endured. Isn't there anyone??? 

Joanie 1610 

 I honestly thought I was all alone then.  I felt so different from my friends that had Moms that did things with them, they seemed so happy to have them. I could not relate nor could  ever  tell anyone what was happening to me.  My teen years were pretty scary - luckily I survived. Any sense of a happy life didn't begin until I met my husband. I really thought my hell would be over when my Mother died.  But it hasn't ended. I have heard that the abuser wins when they no longer have to control the abuse because the victim continues it for them.. That's where I think I am now. Thank you for caring....
 
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April 6, 2006, 2:31 pm PDT

You hit the nail on the head

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I feel for both Marri and the other young lady on the show. But, the best thing that either of them can do is be real about the women that gave them birth... they are both emotionally damaged, selfish and unable to love themselves therefore it is nearly impossible for them to love their daughters. I don't agree with the selfishness these women have shown, nor do I think it is an acceptable reason to mistreat their daughters. but it is the reality of their lives. Knowing that, both young ladies need to be strong, and make one of the toughest decisions of their lives and that is to cut the ties from the women that CONTINUE to emotionally abuse them. They are now grown women and they don not have to subject themselve to this torment. I speak from experience! My own mother tormented me all of my life until I finally was a broken spirit and couldn't "fight" for the relationship anymore. At the age of 35, and all the years of failing miserably to try to get my mother to love me, I finally accepted that she may never love me because she didn't love herself. It has now been 5 years since I closed that door, and they have been the BEST years of my life. I don't have someone looking for me to fail, shuting me out of their lives, or being emotionally drained from trying to convince her that I DO love her and she is important to me. I will always love my mother because she is my mother, but I realize it is okay not to like her or her behavior and I don't have to put myself  or my children in a situation that will allow this emotionally abusive cycle to continue to grow. IT ENDS WITH HER and a NEW beginning for my children and I has replaced it. Just because we are born into a situation does not mean that is who we are to become!! Be strong and find your self worth and use your pain to NEVER forget what it feels like so that you NEVER inflict that upon anyone again!
 You are absolutely right.  You can't change the abuser.  You can only change yourself.  I started getting counselling for abuse when I was 19 years old.  I  have been going to counsellors off and on ever since (I'm 50 now).  I have cut off ties with my mother and I couldn't be happier!!  Not only was she abusive, she took me for granted.  She always expected me to be there for her to kick around.  Divorcing an abusive parent is like divorcing an abusive spouse.  It's painful, but you have to do it for your own self preservation.   As you said, you have to be strong and find yourself.  Use your pain to learn.  I know how it feels to be abused and I will never do that to another person. 

By the way, one of the best bits of advise I ever got from a counsellor I was seeing was the following:  In the 10 Commandments that Moses brought down from the mountain it says, "Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother".........the commandment doesn't say you have to love your father and your mother.  I honored my mother by not doing to her what she has done to me.   I simply just walked away (and danced for joy when I did!!)    
 

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April 6, 2006, 5:28 pm PDT

Going through the process

As I listened to the "mommy dearests" who appeared on the show, I couldn't help but think of the ordeal I've been through with my own mom. The first mother had the nerve to ask "How did my problems hurt you?" - just like my mom. The second mother couldn't apologize without insisting that her daughter make some changes to cater to her mother's wants - just like my mom. 

I am 36 years old and have ended my relationship with my screaming, controling, criticizing mother within the past year. It wasn't easy. I grew up trying to make my mom happy (impossible to do when she's determined to be miserable). As a high school and college student I tried to take as many psychology and therapy related courses and read as many self-help books as I could to try to be my mother's counselor (didn't work). I also went through counselling myself, which helped start my self-healing process. Finally I moved 800 miles away. That helped for a while, until I got married 7 years ago. Then Mom decided to start using my wonderful husband as a verbal punching bag every time we visited. In the past 10 years I have developed close, loving, respect-filled, healthy, mature relationships with my husband, coworkers, neighbors, brothers and sisters in Christ, as well as with myself and God. In doing so, I began filling the need left by a mother who was incapable of loving me. 

I've learned lessons like: just because I forgive Mom for the past doesn't mean I have to trust her and open myself to future attacks; just because a pastor says that I have to forgive and love her and not confront her abuse, that pastor may be wrong; I have too many people in my life who care about my feelings when they interact with me to waste my time running after a relationship with someone who refuses to show me or my husband any consideration. 

I hope the daughters on the show learn the same lessons and the other lessons that they need to be confident, successful women, with or without a relationship with their mothers. 

 
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April 6, 2006, 9:15 pm PDT

When its too late

I don't know what happened to her but my mother did not have it in her to be a supportive, consistent, loving, interested or involved mother.  When she finally had to sell the house because of the repairs she hadn't stayed on top of, I remember the last day I was there.  I was in her bedroom and I realized that I was never going to have a mother who loved and cared about me.  It seemed that the house was important in this.  I cried that day. 

  

Then, years later, she died.  She needed to be able to die because whe was not aware of her surroundings and had no quality of life.  On a Sunday she had a final stroke.  On Tuesday they told us she 'had taken a turn for the worse.'  On Friday she died.  And that, as they say, is all she wrote.  Now she was completely gone for all time.  I cried the day she died. 

  

I'm trying to experience the feeliings I have so I can eliminate them from my existence.  I have to experience them to get rid of them.  I don't hate my mother.  Her behaviour has to mean she had some hurt before.  So I know she had reason and I can't seem to get rid of my feelings today because I can't very well be angry with her if she behaved ...  you get the point. 

  

 

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April 6, 2006, 9:46 pm PDT

HUGS Jessica!!!

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There is a lot more to the story than what you all heard, but not in the way that you are thinking.  I was treated nicely.  BY MY GRANDPARENTS!  mostly, there were a few time that my mom did things for me, but it wasn't very often.  You might yell at your daughter to get her to do what you want, but that isn't what it was all about.  It wasn't like i never listened to what my mother said because that is more than wrong.  I was a good kid and never got into trouble, not at home, school, or anywhere.  My mother never had to worry about keeping up with me because i was hardly ever allowed to do anything because i had to take care of my brother.  My mother did do drugs, but alcohol was her biggest problem.  Also I understand that she has the right to bring a man home to the house, but would you stay with a man that chased your daughter out of your house with a shot gun and then take his side?  As for me saying that she never gave me love, I said that because when i would try to show her that i loved her or try to give her a kiss and a hug, she would push me away.  Then when a man comes a long he comes first.  Now what more of the story would you like to hear. 

  

Jessica 

Jess..dont listen to that kind of negativity...you have enough to deal with.  Not everyone can understand your pain..but I do!  I wanted to hug you so badly...you really looked like you could use one!  Your face said it all.  I dont believe your mom for ONE second that she wants to change..she still wants to be a victim in all this.  My mom is the same as yours...in ALOT of ways.  She didnt put me in a mental hospital...but she created her own mental 'ward' in our home.   Has your mom made any changes since taping the show?  I know what it is like to have strange 'stray' men stay over night...my mom used to go out every Friday night and I'd pray sooo hard that she would come home ALONE.  Sometimes she did..but most times, she had a 'stray' with her.  Thats what I called 'them'...a stray.  YUCK...It makes my skin crawl even remembering those awful nights.  I could HEAR her in her bedroom with these icky losers.  I'd cry and cry LOUDLY so she knew I was awake and could HEAR her.  It didnt stop her.  In fact, she'd blame me the next day for her being alone.  I think a woman does have a right to bring a man to her home..>BUTTTTTT  not when it adversely affects her young children.  I mean COME ON!!  The proper way to introduce a man to your children is NOT bring them home the first night and have sex with them!  She should date him a few times at least...and if she thinks he might be a keeper..THEN introduce him to her children.  My mom, and your mom too..were very selfish...always thinking about themselves and not us.  Your story touched me so much Jess..and I hope you know that I am thinking of you..and praying for you!  I hope you and your mom can get this sorted out..but if you can't Jess...its ok to sever ties with her!  You dont have to feel guilty!  You did your best job at being a good daughter...thats all you can do.  I applaud you for asking for Dr Phil's help and I hope it works for you!  Chin up honey...You can do this!!!  I know you can..and here's the hug I wanted to give you....((((HUG))) 

Wendy in Canada 

 
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April 7, 2006, 11:32 am PDT

you can do this

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I've struggled desperately with my mother's and I relationship.  I completely empathize with the daughters on the show, and feel so heartbroken over their situations yet am glad to see I am not alone.  My mother was physically and emotionally abusive, beating me weekly and calling me a whore at age 10 (long before I was sexually active), and to this day denies it all.  I've become such a disappointment to her, she even denies me as a daughter and never tells me she loves me.  I believe personally that I am successful for the most part, having earned advanced degrees and being financially independent and socially well accepted.  Most of my girlfriends have healthy relationships with their mother, so it is isolating and difficult to heal from the pain of having such a traumatic childhood.  Our relationship in my late 20's has completely degenerated.  She refuses to speak to me whatsoever, and we haven't spoken for over a year.  Even worse, I am expecting my first child soon.  I am reaching out in this blog for some advice.  How do you heal such deep childhood scars when the other party will never participate in the process?  Thanks for responding. 

I am 54 years old, and your story is so much like mine.  Just remember that your mother's behavior is about her, not about you!  I was beaten everyday my mother had a bad day, and I can tell you she had more bad days than good.  I was called every name in the book....even some that I didn't know what they were!  You can get better.  I won't say that you won't always miss a good relationship with your mother, because you will.  I guess it is kind of like a death, and you will mourn for what you never had, but the pain will get less, as time goes on. 

  

I found out that my mother's denial had a lot to do with herself.  If she admitted to me that she was responisible for the way she treated me, that would mean that she was a horrible, awful person.  She would not take responsibility for what she did to me....it was always somone else's fault or my fault that she beat me, and verbally brow beat me!   

  

It may take your mother years to decide to address this issue....it took mine until I was 40 years old.  I forgave her for my sake, but I will never trust her like a daughter should be able to trust her mother.  Just like the abusive mother on the show, she is selfish, and her life is ALL about HER!  That will never change.  At least it hasn't with my mother. 

  

My advice to you is don't waste time waiting for her to come to her senses, because that ball is in her court. 

  

I want you to read every book you can, on being a good mother.  You work on being the kind of mother to your child that you would have loved to have.  This is what helped me through my pain.  I never wanted to hurt my children, the way I was hurt, so I needed all the knowledge I could get.  I had to model myself as a mother, because I did not have a good role model. 

  

You can do this...you must do this! 

  

I have to wonderful grown children.  I guess the best compliment I got was from my step-mother.  Someone said to her with awe, that my daughter is such a good mother.  My step-mother said that is because she had such a good mother as a model.  That compliment still brings tears of joy to my eyes! 

  

You can do this, sweetie! 

  

My prayers are with you, and if you need anything, let me know! 

  

Cathy 

 
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April 8, 2006, 3:52 pm PDT

Better off on your own

I know how much a mother can hurt  you. I grew the middle child of three. My mother was always self involved and I didn't think she noticed me much. I had always wanted to have the TV mom that packed your lunch, fixed your hair and took you shopping. Then I grew up and had my own daughter and realized how hard it is to be a mother. One day I was a 22 yr old, then after a 48 hour stay in the hospital I was a MOTHER!  It all seemed so instant! No applications to fill out, no criteria to meet, no courses to take..........I was all of the sudden suppose to know it all! That was when I began to see my Mother as a person, not just as MOM. I realized that only Jesus Christ was perfect. 

 I certainly am not, so I made an effort to love my Mother for what she is, not what I wished she would be. After all - what were my choices? I could be mad at her, shut her out of my life, or love her like she is. I have lost family before, and loving her 'as is' is better than NO MOM at all. By no means do I think the young ladies on the show ought to put up with their mother's non sense, but stand their own ground, be independent, do not allow the mothers to hurt them anymore, but also just love the Moms 'as is'. Chances are that neither of them will ever change enough to be how the daughters think they ought to be. Then pray that our daughters don't grow up and judge us.  

 
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