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(Original Air Date: 04/03/06) Marri and Jessica both want to confront their mothers, who they say were neglectful and abusive during their childhoods. Marri has put up with her mother, Marilyn's, addiction to crack cocaine for 18 years, and she's ready to shut her mom out of her life for good if she doesn't admit she has a problem and seek help for it. Marilyn says her drug use is the solution, not the problem, and she can be a good mother and still smoke crack. Then, Jessica says she had to care for herself when she was a little girl. Her mother, Deana, was never around, and when she was, she was bringing strange men home for sex. In a ploy for attention, Deana committed her daughter to a mental institution -- three times! Tired of holding in her anger, Jessica demands her mother take responsibility for what she's done. Will these daughters get some emotional closure on their painful childhoods? Share your thoughts here.

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July 17, 2006, 3:17 pm PDT

it leaves a huge and lasting hole

Not getting the mothering you deserve leaves a huge and lasting hole in your soul. It seems it can never be filled by anything else. I am middle age and still longing for motherly love. It is silly I know but it is there.  l crave it very much still.  I'm glad Dr Phil said (in reference to the crack mother) that a person can't give what she doesn' t have. That is something I can understand and it takes some of the longing away. I try not to dwell on it, but I do sometimes. I know I am only hurting myself when I do that. My own mother is deceased so there is no fixing things. I have spent my life feeling worthless, unlovable, and trying to understand why I couldn't be loved. I did the self-destructive behavior with drugs, alcohol, food, etc. Although I did counseling several times, and took meds for 10 years I didn't feel any better. By chance I connected with a caring person on another board who has convinced me to try therapy again; this time psychoanalytic psychotherapy. I'm lucky to have found someone to care about me even if it is a message board. I trust this person very much and I have faith that this type of therapy will work for me in all areas of my life. I have months til I start and I'm scared to death to start, but I'll have to hang on til then and see how it goes.   

It was good to see a show about mothering. Unfortunately, as the show demonstrated, some just don't know how to be good mothers. I didn't either; how could I when I didn't get it then? Now the poor mothering has been passed to another generation, my adult son who thankfully hasn't become a parent yet. So much shame and guilt in these situations, at least for me.    

Way too long a post. But the show just got me going.    

   

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:22 pm PDT

Marilyn is so not in reality!

Marilyn is just amazing.   

She says she is not addicted, she is in control, yet her reasoning is so lame!  When she said that she was not abusive except, maybe, emotionally, that was the breaking point for me.  Coming from a background of abuse on every level, I can say honestly that emotional destruction is abuse.  I know there are many out there who would completely agree with that.  She says there is nothing else to do when your spirit is broken.  Yes, there is.  It's called "healing".  I've found my own way.  I study with a vengeance.  I read all the self-help materials and listen to those who know what they're talking about.  II have made me my project, and I'm finding that it is not only better for me, but those around me find it better, too.  For the first time, I'm not running around asking everybody to pity me, and it feels darned good!  I'm finally able to lose weight and I'm exercising as I never have before.  Further, doctors told me I'd be in a wheelchair by now, and I'm getting stronger every day.   

  

If I can do it, anyone can.  I am so flawed, as is my thinking, but I'm working on them.  My broken spirit is getting healthier than ever.    Mari should be proud that she realizes her mother is a problem, and Marilyn had better wake up and realize she has a problem.  For now, Mari's best bet is to get mommie out of her life. 

  

Mari, good luck and God bless.  You're on the right track.  You and your children are more important.  You were cheated, but your children don't have to be.  You're on the right track. 

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:34 pm PDT

FORGIVENESS

 I AM NOT A MARTYR. I WANT TO SAY THAT FRIST .  

I HAVE LIVED A LIFE THAT IS WAY WORSE THAN THE TWO LADYS FEATURED TODAY . ( PLEASE EXCUSS SPELLING ). I DO NOT WISH TO  EXPLOT MY PAST . IT IS DONE .IT CAN NOT BE RELIVED . TO SAY MY MOM AND DAD WERE THE WORST PEOPLE  WHO CHOOSE TO BE PARENTS. IS A UNDERSTATEMENT . THINGS HAPPENED IN OUR HOME THAT YOU ONLY READ ABOUT IN BOOKS .   

   I  DID NOT SPECK TO MY MOM AND DAD FOR A LONG TIME . THEN HAD ONLY INTERMENTENT CONTACT WITH THEM . IT HURT DEEP INSIDE AND I GREIVED FOR THE CHILDHOOD LOST SO LONG AGO .I GREIVED FOR NOT BEING LOVED . I DID DRUGS , BOOZE , CHURCH , ANYTHING TO  FIND SOME SORT OF VALIDATION AND RELIEF , BUT  I JUST FLOATED AROUND . ONE BIG OPEN GUSHING  WOUND .  

  THEN ONE DAY . I JUST DECIDED TO LET IT ALL GO . I DECIDED TO FORGIVE . I DID NOT DO THIS IN A CHURCH OR GROUP SETTING . JUST ME . IN MY HOME . LOOKING AT THE PAST . ALL THE PAIN STILL FLOATING AROUND AND NOT GETTING ANY BETTER . STUCK LIKE A STICK IN THE MUD AND JUST AS DIRTY .  

  I ROLLED UP ALL MY PAIN . I CRIED LIKE A LITTLE BABY BEING BORN AGAIN . IT FELT SO GOOD . I JUST RELEASED ..AND NOW , I AM THE PERSON I WANT TO BE . I TAKE CARE OF MY PARENTS . WITH LOVE AND GRACE . I LOVE MY MOM AND DAD . THEY ARE GOOD , HONEST PEOPLE . THEY LOVE ME . NO IT IS NOT A PERFCET LOVE . IT IS A HONEST LOVE . ONE THEY CAN GIVE . AND ONE  I WILL ACCECPT  . IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME .  

  I ALMOST CHOOSE PAIN AND DESPAIR . ALMOST LOST THE GREASTEST LOVE ONE PERSON COULD EXPERIENCE . I ALMOST TURNED MY BACK ON LOVE . I ALMOST LOST MYSELF TO PAIN AND REGRECT . ALMOST .  

  FORGIVENESS IS  NOT JUST A WORD . IT IS A EMOTION THAT WILL MAKE YOU CRY AND STOMP . BUT MAN IT SURE DOES FEEL GOOD . I FORGIVE . AND I LOVE . I LOVE . I AM ABLE TO LOVE MY MOM AND DAD .  

    

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:34 pm PDT

still

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please ladies stop for a second and think about what you want.  My husband came from a simmilar background, and I have always told him that I sometimes I sit and wish that I could take away the pain from his childhood, or trade him childhoods even for a minute just so he would know what it feels like to have grown up in the wonderful family life that I had without all of the pain and emotional baggage he bears.  His retort which not only understand, agree with, and admire has always been: my past makes me who I am today, and that person is the man that you and my daughter both love today, my past makes me a good parent and father, and thats what makes it all worth it.  So my advice to you both is simply this: be who you and say what you feel, because those who matter don't mind, and those who mind don't matter.  Be proud of who you are and the fact that you can stand on your own with the capability of happiness.  You  don't need someone that has done you so wrong to tell you they love you, all you need is to believe in yourself and be the best person you can be.  Your reward from that will far outway that of three word from a person who has wronged you.  Write us anytime.  Staci
Its true. IT MAKES ME WHO I AM TODAY. This is also what I say to people and it is relieving to have a good reason for being so wonderful to people, but again the main question I have that may not have an answer... "HOW DO YOU HEAL?" How do you ever accept that you are mother and fatherless in this world? How do you ever feel that deeply connected to anyone or anything and not have jealousy and resentment? The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and I think it might always be that way for me...?
 
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July 17, 2006, 3:39 pm PDT

Still angry after all these years

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I am 54 years old, and your story is so much like mine.  Just remember that your mother's behavior is about her, not about you!  I was beaten everyday my mother had a bad day, and I can tell you she had more bad days than good.  I was called every name in the book....even some that I didn't know what they were!  You can get better.  I won't say that you won't always miss a good relationship with your mother, because you will.  I guess it is kind of like a death, and you will mourn for what you never had, but the pain will get less, as time goes on. 

  

I found out that my mother's denial had a lot to do with herself.  If she admitted to me that she was responisible for the way she treated me, that would mean that she was a horrible, awful person.  She would not take responsibility for what she did to me....it was always somone else's fault or my fault that she beat me, and verbally brow beat me!   

  

It may take your mother years to decide to address this issue....it took mine until I was 40 years old.  I forgave her for my sake, but I will never trust her like a daughter should be able to trust her mother.  Just like the abusive mother on the show, she is selfish, and her life is ALL about HER!  That will never change.  At least it hasn't with my mother. 

  

My advice to you is don't waste time waiting for her to come to her senses, because that ball is in her court. 

  

I want you to read every book you can, on being a good mother.  You work on being the kind of mother to your child that you would have loved to have.  This is what helped me through my pain.  I never wanted to hurt my children, the way I was hurt, so I needed all the knowledge I could get.  I had to model myself as a mother, because I did not have a good role model. 

  

You can do this...you must do this! 

  

I have to wonderful grown children.  I guess the best compliment I got was from my step-mother.  Someone said to her with awe, that my daughter is such a good mother.  My step-mother said that is because she had such a good mother as a model.  That compliment still brings tears of joy to my eyes! 

  

You can do this, sweetie! 

  

My prayers are with you, and if you need anything, let me know! 

  

Cathy 

Cathy, 

After the many years of ongoing therapy , I can honestly say I don't feel anything towards my mother.  

I am 50 years old and just can't stand the sight of my mother. My mother abused me physically ,mentally, verbally and emotionally. I would like to share some of the horrible things she did to me as a child. She and my stepfather had me walk the family dog in the snow without shoes. She had my younger sister get a shotgun out of her bedroom so she could blow my brains out ,because she found a test paper I hid because I got a 65. She placed me in a home for girls claiming I kept running away from home. The truth was she beat me for everything. Constantly telling me I was nothing and I would never have anything. I had my first gyn exam at 13 because a neighbor saw me playing  with a boy.  Right away she accused me of having sex and swore I was pregnant .We were pushing each other in the bushes outside in the broad daylight. I could go on and on. But the bottom line is January 1,2006 I called her and told I would not come and clean her house because she put me out and all the abuse I took from her. 

My mother will not admit to any of this nor will she ever apologize. A Social worker from the Dept. of  Phila Human Services once told me after investigateing me on a false charge of abuse my mother called in on me with my son stated for whatever reason my mother was set out to destroy my life whatever way she could. What kind of human being is unable to feel remorse after treating their children this way?  

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:40 pm PDT

Marri & Jessica need to understand

I wish that I could give Marri & Jessica a big hug!  They need to understand that not feeling a mother's love is so incredibly damaging, but that their mothers probably do not KNOW HOW to be good mothers.  Hopefully, they can pursue the therapy that can bring them some measure of peace and acceptance, because their moms might not be able to learn enough to fill up the empty "love tanks" of their daughters.  Marri and Jessica will have to learn to get their love and acceptance from themselves and others in their lives.  

  

People are usually happier when they "get" the fact that their "shoulds" get in the way of acceptance.  Yes, they SHOULD have had great, loving mothers, but the reality is that they did not.  Accepting that and moving on to take care of themselves is the challenge.  

  

They have my deepest wishes for a happy, satisfying life in spite of it all.  

  

NW  

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:41 pm PDT

300.19 (F68.1)

Factitious Disorder Not Otherwise Specified

"This category includes disorders with factitious symptoms that do not meet the criteria for Factitious Disorder [A. intentional production or feigning of symptoms. B. the motivation for the behavior is to assume the sick role. C. external incentives for the behavior, as in malingering (eg. economic gain) are absent. ] An example is factitious disorder by proxy: the intentional production or feigning of physical or psychological signs or symptoms in another person who is under the individual's care for the purpose of indirectly assuming the sick role."
(DSM-IV-TR, 517).

Typically the victim is a young child and the perpetrator is the child's mother. Usually a preschool child, although newborns, adolescents, and adults may be used as victims. Life stressors may be present. They are often unresponsive to their children when they are unaware of being observed. Somatoform disorders or personality disorders may be present. When confronted with the consequences of their behavior, perpetrators may become depressed or suicidal. (781-782).

Malingering may be considered to be adaptive under certain circumstances (eg. in hostage situations), but by definition a diagnosis of Factitious Disorder always implies psychopathology. (513)

This disorder is also known as Munchausen by Proxy. A fantastic memoir of by a daughter who lived through this (her mother faked evidence that the child had heart disease, to the point of requesting open-heart surgery to 'get to the bottom of it'), is "Sickened: the True Story of a Lost Childhood" by Julie Gregory. It is a truly inspiring story of what she went through and how she - miraculously - survived. It gives us hope that healing even in the face of such trauma is possible. It must be reputable, because it was on the reading list for and advanced Ab Psych course at McGill (which I didn't take: I just swiped their reading list so don't get all impressed or anything).
 
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July 17, 2006, 3:44 pm PDT

it's soooo hard message.. (THANKS TO YOU)

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Marri,  

My heart went out to you today when I saw this show.  In 1974, I came home to my mother having passed out while she was babysitting my 3 very small children.  My oldest (3 yrs)  was crying and trying to wake his grandma up, telling me "granma dead".  That day, I did the very hardest thing I have ever had to do, I woke my mom up, told her this had to stop.  She got the "attitude" I saw on your mothers face, and she left the house.  I asked my husband to go get boxes, and that day I packed everything she owned that was in my house and put it outside on the curb.  When she returned 3 days later, I told her I loved her, but I could not bear to have my children grow up seeing her that way, and that from that day forward, my children would not know their grandmother.  I praise God everyday that I made that decision to protect my children.  But . . .I also praise God everyday that 4 months after she left my house, she had her last drink.  She was sober and recovering for 25 yrs before her death.  My sons got to grow up knowing their grandma, and that was a blessing to her, to them and to me.    Marri, this may not be the way it turns out for you, but know that to be the best mother that you can be, you need to stop this destructive relationship with your mom.  Even if that means you never speak to her or see her again.  By not allowing her to disrupt  your life and your family, IS NOT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T LOVE her and will always love her somewhere inside of yourself.  It does mean that you love her and yourself and your child to let her go and let God take care of her, her choice, not yours.  It was many years before I figured out who I was and how my mother had lived her life was not my fault.  Stand strong in who you are and love her inspite of the past.  Be able to forgive her.  That doesn't mean you have to allow her drug habit into your life.  I apologize, I didn't mean to write a novel.  God Bless you and in His great love and mercy may He draw your mother into her salvation.    

I must thank you for posting your message about separating yourself (but still loving an addicted loved one).    

You have not only helped me to continue to move on, but you've inspired me to make my life worth living free of guilt and shame because of the decisions my mother has made.    

For so long (and sometimes even still) I struggle with my Mother's addiction.    

   

I have moved 750 miles away only to periodically feel worse than I did when I liven 8 blocks away from her.    

This life (her life) is potentially destructive to not only myself but my family as well.    

I feel myself being pulled away from my family (husband and 2 children) physically and emotionally each time I deal with my mother, via a phone call or a voice mail she has left for me.    

No more, no more, no more..................   

Again, I thank you for your words of encouragement to Marri that have in turn helped me over here in Stone Mountain, Georgia.    

 

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July 17, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

You are not alone...

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How I could relate to the pain the young ladies felt on today's show.  I am 59 years old and still have never been able to get over the emotional pain and phyical abuse that my mother did to me from a very young age until I left home at the age of 18.  She phsyically abused me and my four sisters and today only one of my sisters speaks to her.  Because of her I have never been able to love because I am not sure what love is.  I went through therapy just to try and find out if I could be loved.  I did have two children and tried my best to give them all the love that I was capable of giving.  I must say that both of them have turned out to loving individuals.  I married when I was nineteen but the relationship did not last because I was not capable to giving the love that he deserved.  Have had other relationships but cannot get a bond with them  I withdraw as I did as a child to escape the pain and cannot tell them that I love them.  Now I am totally alone and very lonely but feel parlazed by a feeling that I am not worthy of love.  I have been told on several occasions that I need to get over my past and that she cannot hurt me anymore, but my mind will not let me go.

I don't think you need to get over your past. It is what makes you who you are, which seems to be a loving, caring, thoughtful person. I am only 33 but I have been in therapy for a while. Just this year I am starting to learn that what I went through was not because of ME, or in any way MY fault. I didn't even realize that I'd been abused until my doctor told me because that was all I have known. I got enough food to eat, and clothes to wear, but not without being made to feel guilty for it. You ARE lovable, just the same as I. Because she didn't have the mental, emotional, or spiritual capacity to love and nurture her children, we have suffered. Don't let it continue. I know it's hard, and I struggle almost daily, but look at the things that you have contributed to others and yourself. Don't let these hurtful "relationships" define you. Have you ever read Sylvia Browne's books. They have really helped me... 

 
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July 17, 2006, 4:14 pm PDT

Jessica's mom needs to own up

My heart goes out to Jessica.  I look in her eyes and I see so much well-deserved contempt.  I see a young lady who has taken as much as she can, and more than she could.  It's going to take a whole lot for Dana to prove herself, but Jessica needs to try to open her heart.  She had this chance to confront a horrid mother, and this is such a step! 

  

I had a Mommie Dearest.  She beat me, kicked me, threw me on the wall.  I learned to laugh at it, because it's the only way I survived.  I grew up with the "I wish you were dead" and "I hate you" from my earliest moments.  She excused me from PE quite often so no one would see the bruises.  I wore a lot of black tights! She always threatened to send me to the local institution for problem girls, but I would always tell her to go ahead and I could tell my side of the story.  I married to escape her, and ended up with just another form of abuse.  Both constantly told me how "unloveable" I was.  They both said I shouldn't be concerned that they didn't love me; it should just make it obvious that no one ever could.  I lived my life with that, and made my decisions based on that. 

  

When my oldest sister was dying, my mother rejected me in front of the grief counselor!  She pretended I wasn't there!  When I  was going through my own personal Hell, I was trying to help mother, who hadn't mellowed.  One day, I said:  "For your sake, I really wish I had been the one who died."  She just looked me straight in the eye and said, "So do I."  She lived until I was in my late 50s, and it wasn't until she drew her last breath that I realized it never had anything to do with me. 

  

She's been gone not quite two years, and I have been able to work on changing my life.  It started with changing my perception.  The pain weighed me down so much I had to learn to forgive her.  I stopped asking questions which would never have answers.  I will never be able to confront her and find out why she felt as she did.  But I'm okay.  Better late than never.  But there are times I really miss her.  I realized that she did the best she could under the circumstances.  She did put me through Hell, but I learned to overcome obstacles.  She tried to push me down; I worked twice as hard to pick myself up.  I learned to survive.  Now I'm going through issues that could easily sideline me, but I refuse to be pushed down.  I got that survival skill from her.  God bless you for that, mother. 

  

Jessica's decision to turn in her mom wasn't easy; it shows she has that that strength.  She's young and her mother is still around.  You have time to survive, to talk with your mother and to answr those questions I did.  But she needs to remember that how Dana feels about her has nothing to do with who she is.  She and Dana both need to get help.  No matter what we go through, we've only one mother and one father.  Try to rescue the time with them.  If it doesn't work, at least there will be no regrets.   

  

God bless, and good luck to them both. 

  

 
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